You're worried about guns and safety of kids? Ha. That coming from you who thinks it's fine to have "so-called" females in women's restrooms and locker rooms. If that doesn't endanger children, nothing does!
October 08, 2009 12:04 PM
Aunt Bea said...
MoCo's non-discrimination law has been in force for over a year now. It has nothing to do with bathrooms and everything to do with employment, housing, and taxis. And yet you're worried about "endangered children" in "women's restrooms?"
Tell us, LH how many children have suffered or been "endangered" in "women's restrooms" as a result of this law being in effect.
Zero, that's how many.
Your fears are just that, your fears. IMHO you and Theresa (who told me last week "Bea - to answer your question, I spend a lot of time worrying. but I don't think it is wasted and I don't believe it is out of my control.") are fearful types who turn your fear into hatred for others.
I suggest we all remember to do unto others as we would have others do unto us.
October 08, 2009 3:08 PM
deluxe said...
MoCo's non-discrimination law has been in force for over a year now.
Tell us, anon-B, how many trans have gotten jobs, shelter or pizza as a result of this law being in effect?
Zero, that's how many.
Your fears were not just that, they were rationalizations.
October 08, 2009 3:27 PM
Level Headed said...
We can assume the number of assaults on children will rise as a result of the new law. Afterall, it allows men (real or pretend) into women's facilities. So, of course, that would be a direct consequence of the new law. How many almost assaults and assaults go unreported? Point is, who wouldn't want to do everything possible to protect children?
October 08, 2009 5:26 PM
Anonymous said...
What's it to you, Level Headed? In what ways has your life been substantially changed or destroyed because of the granting of rights to people who are different from you?
If you are so worried about the endangerment of children, perhaps you need to pry into the doings of your neighbors who are probably abusing their own children, right under your sanctimonious nose!
"We can assume the number of assaults on children will rise as a result of the new law." We can? What evidence do you have that that is to be an expected result of a law passed a year ago? That statement alone convinces us that there is absolutely nothing "level-headed" about you. Aphrodite
October 08, 2009 5:52 PM
Level Headed said...
Common sense tells me that there will be an increase in assaults and abductions in restrooms due to the new law. Remember it allows men in women's facilities. Now I have to be on guard for a man just taking advantage of the new law. Just use your head.
October 08, 2009 8:32 PM
Anonymous said...
Oh, please "Level Headed"..."Common sense tells me that there will be an increase in assaults and abductions in restrooms due to the new law." Assaults and abductions?? Common sense?? Perhaps you now need to PROVE THAT ASSERTION! Please list all of the cases of assaults and abductions occuring in restrooms in Montgomery County (as well as anywhere else in the U.S.) within the past year...especially any that have been committed by a transgendered individual.
"Now I have to be on guard for a man just taking advantage of the new law."? Get over yourself and get a grasp on reality. Your completely unfounded paranoia is troublesome and is an indication of a need for some mental health intervention. Your hatred and fear are eating you alive! Aphrodite
October 09, 2009 1:20 AM
Anonymous said...
Afro protesteth too much...
October 09, 2009 6:55 AM
Aunt Bea said...
Tell us, anon-B, how many trans have gotten jobs, shelter or pizza as a result of this law being in effect?
Zero, that's how many.
Cynthia just recently pointed out some MoCo transfolk who had success in getting and keeping their job as a result of 23-07 so the answer to your question is not zero; the answer is "some transfolk have gotten and kept their jobs as a result of the law."
The law is having the desired effect of ending discrimination against transfolk while at the same time resulting in ZERO "endangered children" in "women's restrooms."
October 09, 2009 8:30 AM
deluxe said...
"Cynthia just recently pointed out some MoCo transfolk who had success in getting and keeping their job as a result of 23-07"
No, she just pointed out some MoCo transfolk who had success in getting and keeping their job. Such people got and kept jobs before 23-07.
"The law is having the desired effect of ending discrimination against transfolk"
No, it isn't. There was little before. There is little now.
October 09, 2009 8:40 AM
Robert said...
The infestation of trolls is getting worse.
October 09, 2009 9:55 AM
deluxe said...
the lack of substance in Robert's remarks is getting worse
got anything to say, pal?
other than that people shouldn't post comments on a blog?
October 09, 2009 10:33 AM
Anonymous said...
Intelligent readers who have participated in this Blog site over a long period of time have always appreciated Robert's sage and to-the-point observations and we respect his opinions. You, Deluxe, - that's another story. Your trollosity is unmatched; have you ever thought of developing your own Blog site where you can get the respect from your kind that you will never have in here? Saturn
October 09, 2009 4:57 PM
deluxe said...
"Intelligent readers who have participated in this Blog site over a long period of time have always appreciated Robert's sage and to-the-point observations and we respect his opinions."
Could you give us a couple of examples?
October 10, 2009 4:56 AM
Aunt Bea said...
This Vigilance reader and participant agrees with Saturn, Robert's presence on this blog enriches it. He uses personal experience and reason rather than personal insults and spin to make his points.
No one has ever taken offense at his remarks or asked Jim to ban Robert from commenting here.
October 10, 2009 8:43 AM
Anonymous said...
Deluxe: I'm taking a page from your book of bad manners and Glenn Beck retorts - NOPE Saturn
October 10, 2009 10:07 AM
Sometimes I travel to foreign countries, and there is always one thing that completely puzzles the people -- America's relationship to guns. You can't imagine trying to explain to some European professor the fact that Americans will never give up their right to own guns. I try to explain to them that the idea is that citizens can defend themselves from tyrants, and they look at me like, what do you think is going to happen? Do you think the tyrant is going to come to your door? And what about all the people who get murdered with guns in America -- you're always shooting each other! It's just one of those things, we will always have the right to bear arms, guns will always be dangerous, but there's something inherently American about it.
I remember driving into a city in China at night, the sidewalks were crowded with shady-looking characters and I asked my translator, "Is it safe to come here at night?" "Yes, it's safe," he said, "Guns are illegal in China." And I thought, right, so only outlaws have guns. But in fact, nobody has guns. He did say you have to watch out for pickpockets, but nobody will pull a gun on you because there just aren't any. It was a hard concept to adjust to.
Lately we have seen some nutty people showing up at President Obama's events with holstered guns. When asked , "Why are you carrying a gun?" the stock answer is "Because I can." I'd be pretty sure you couldn't carry a gun to a G.W. Bush event, but nobody ever tried so we don't know. You could not wear anti-war t-shirts, I know that, I doubt that a pistol would have been welcome either.
So up in Pennsylvania there was a mom who wore a holstered pistol to her daughter's soccer game. My kids are older now, but I remember some parents at the games who were ... scary, even without weapons. At one point our team almost forfeited a game because one dad was ranting at the umpires and you didn't know if he was going to blow a gasket or what. I can't imagine what he would have done if he'd had a weapon strapped to his leg.
Last October this mom, Meleanie Hain, a friendly-looking blond in her early thirties, made the news when she brought a gun to her daughter's soccer game. The local sheriff revoked her permit to carry a weapon, she took them to court and won.
She's dead now. Meleanie Hain, the pistol-carrying Lebanon mom who received national attention for taking a loaded gun to her daughter’s soccer game, was shot to death Wednesday night with her husband in an apparent murder-suicide, police said.
Hain, 31, and her husband, Scott, 33, were pronounced dead by Lebanon County Coroner Dr. Jeffrey Yocum shortly after 8:30 p.m. at their home at Second Avenue and East Grant Street, police said.
The couple’s three children were home at the time and were not injured, and are staying with relatives and friends, police said.
Autopsies were scheduled for Thursday, police said. No other details were available at press time.
Neighbor Mark Long said Meleanie baby-sat his 3-year-old son and that she and Scott had been having marital problems for the last week. Scott left on Tuesday and Meleanie did not know where he went, but he came back Wednesday, Long said. Gun-toting soccer mom is shot dead This article goes through the whole history of the case, the pistol-packin' soccer mom and all the court rulings.
It's a difficult thing, you can't say you really have a right unless you exercise it. Take freedom of speech, you can say you've got it, but if some Nazis or Klan guys want to have a parade and the government doesn't allow it you really don't have that freedom. Same thing, you have the right to bear arms, and so some crazy person wants to bring guns to a kids' soccer game or to the President's talk, well you have to let them. It's one thing to own a gun, to hunt, to defend yourself, whatever, it's a whole other thing to be an offensive idiot about it, endangering everyone around you, just because you can. And there is no way to write a law that gives you the freedom to make smart decisions and stops you from being dumb. If you want freedom, you have to accept the freedom to do stupid and obnoxious things.
You wish these people had centered their lives around something a little more peaceful, they wouldn't be dead now.
"Live By the Sword"
16 Comments -
You're worried about guns and safety of kids? Ha. That coming from you who thinks it's fine to have "so-called" females in women's restrooms and locker rooms. If that doesn't endanger children, nothing does!
October 08, 2009 12:04 PM
MoCo's non-discrimination law has been in force for over a year now. It has nothing to do with bathrooms and everything to do with employment, housing, and taxis. And yet you're worried about "endangered children" in "women's restrooms?"
Tell us, LH how many children have suffered or been "endangered" in "women's restrooms" as a result of this law being in effect.
Zero, that's how many.
Your fears are just that, your fears. IMHO you and Theresa (who told me last week "Bea - to answer your question, I spend a lot of time worrying. but I don't think it is wasted and I don't believe it is out of my control.") are fearful types who turn your fear into hatred for others.
I suggest we all remember to do unto others as we would have others do unto us.
October 08, 2009 3:08 PM
MoCo's non-discrimination law has been in force for over a year now.
Tell us, anon-B, how many trans have gotten jobs, shelter or pizza as a result of this law being in effect?
Zero, that's how many.
Your fears were not just that, they were rationalizations.
October 08, 2009 3:27 PM
We can assume the number of assaults on children will rise as a result of the new law. Afterall, it allows men (real or pretend) into women's facilities. So, of course, that would be a direct consequence of the new law. How many almost assaults and assaults go unreported? Point is, who wouldn't want to do everything possible to protect children?
October 08, 2009 5:26 PM
What's it to you, Level Headed? In what ways has your life been substantially changed or destroyed because of the granting of rights to people who are different from you?
If you are so worried about the endangerment of children, perhaps you need to pry into the doings of your neighbors who are probably abusing their own children, right under your sanctimonious nose!
"We can assume the number of assaults on children will rise as a result of the new law." We can? What evidence do you have that that is to be an expected result of a law passed a year ago?
That statement alone convinces us that there is absolutely nothing "level-headed" about you.
Aphrodite
October 08, 2009 5:52 PM
Common sense tells me that there will be an increase in assaults and abductions in restrooms due to the new law. Remember it allows men in women's facilities. Now I have to be on guard for a man just taking advantage of the new law.
Just use your head.
October 08, 2009 8:32 PM
Oh, please "Level Headed"..."Common sense tells me that there will be an increase in assaults and abductions in restrooms due to the new law." Assaults and abductions?? Common sense?? Perhaps you now need to PROVE THAT ASSERTION! Please list all of the cases of assaults and abductions occuring in restrooms in Montgomery County (as well as anywhere else in the U.S.) within the past year...especially any that have been committed by a transgendered individual.
"Now I have to be on guard for a man just taking advantage of the new law."? Get over yourself and get a grasp on reality. Your completely unfounded paranoia is troublesome and is an indication of a need for some mental health intervention. Your hatred and fear are eating you alive!
Aphrodite
October 09, 2009 1:20 AM
Afro protesteth too much...
October 09, 2009 6:55 AM
Tell us, anon-B, how many trans have gotten jobs, shelter or pizza as a result of this law being in effect?
Zero, that's how many.
Cynthia just recently pointed out some MoCo transfolk who had success in getting and keeping their job as a result of 23-07 so the answer to your question is not zero; the answer is "some transfolk have gotten and kept their jobs as a result of the law."
The law is having the desired effect of ending discrimination against transfolk while at the same time resulting in ZERO "endangered children" in "women's restrooms."
October 09, 2009 8:30 AM
"Cynthia just recently pointed out some MoCo transfolk who had success in getting and keeping their job as a result of 23-07"
No, she just pointed out some MoCo transfolk who had success in getting and keeping their job. Such people got and kept jobs before 23-07.
"The law is having the desired effect of ending discrimination against transfolk"
No, it isn't. There was little before. There is little now.
October 09, 2009 8:40 AM
The infestation of trolls is getting worse.
October 09, 2009 9:55 AM
the lack of substance in Robert's remarks is getting worse
got anything to say, pal?
other than that people shouldn't post comments on a blog?
October 09, 2009 10:33 AM
Intelligent readers who have participated in this Blog site over a long period of time have always appreciated Robert's sage and to-the-point observations and we respect his opinions.
You, Deluxe, - that's another story. Your trollosity is unmatched; have you ever thought of developing your own Blog site where you can get the respect from your kind that you will never have in here?
Saturn
October 09, 2009 4:57 PM
"Intelligent readers who have participated in this Blog site over a long period of time have always appreciated Robert's sage and to-the-point observations and we respect his opinions."
Could you give us a couple of examples?
October 10, 2009 4:56 AM
This Vigilance reader and participant agrees with Saturn, Robert's presence on this blog enriches it. He uses personal experience and reason rather than personal insults and spin to make his points.
No one has ever taken offense at his remarks or asked Jim to ban Robert from commenting here.
October 10, 2009 8:43 AM
Deluxe: I'm taking a page from your book of bad manners and Glenn Beck retorts - NOPE
Saturn
October 10, 2009 10:07 AM