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"New Revelations About Ted Haggard"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

"There are those who feel that everything gay needs to be suppressed."

Those who opposed the sex ed curriculum could care less what gays do to themselves. They just didn't want the public schools to teach false and unsubstantited "facts" to students or encourage homosexuality.

Haggard's position is that he has homosexual temptations but feels they are wrong and is resisting desires he feels are sinful to sucuumb to.

He'd be a hypocrite if he claimed not to have sucuumbed but merely acknowledging sin isn't hypocritical. He's acknowledged his failure.

Nancy Pelosi's daughter has become good friends with Haggard. Says he's a delightful guy with a great family.

January 26, 2009 3:17 PM

Blogger JimK said...

He'd be a hypocrite if he claimed not to have sucuumbed but merely acknowledging sin isn't hypocritical.

No, he'd be a liar if he did that, which is different. He's gay, he's anti-gay, it's a hypocritical position.

JimK

January 26, 2009 3:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're wrong, Jim.

Imagine a convicted murderer. He killed someone once. He admits it was wrong. He feels like doing it again sometimes when he really gets mad at once of his fellow inmates but he resists now.

He's not a hypocrite, no matter what else he is.

January 26, 2009 4:15 PM

Blogger JimK said...

Ted Haggard is attracted to men, he didn't kill anybody. He's attracted to men, he had a boyfriend and was going to a male prostitute, while he taught ignorant people that homosexuality is an abomination. I can't think of a clearer instance of hypocrisy.

JimK

January 26, 2009 5:12 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about if he agrees that his behavior was an abomination?

The problem with your logic is that it would make anyone who ever turned away from doing something wrong a hypocrite. The opposite is actually true.

January 26, 2009 6:39 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

so how can you talk about ted haggard without talking about the portland oregon mayor who had a relationship with a teenager and won't resign....

don't you put the relationship with the teenager in the same "sordid" category ?

If not, why not ?

January 26, 2009 6:59 PM

Blogger JimK said...

Having an affair with a young adult is not necessarily sordid in itself, and I didn't say it was. A married man doing meth and having sex with a prostitute is sordid, I think everyone would agree on that.

I haven't been following the situation in Portland, but as I understand it the 45-year-old mayor was having an affair with an 18-year-old. It seems to me that happens all the time, they're both adults, what's the problem?

How long will it take for us to find a prominent Republican who is married to or dating someone 27 years younger than him? I just don't see what the problem is, and so far no one has said there was anything "sordid" about the relationship, as far as I know.

JimK

January 26, 2009 7:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nancy Pelosi's daughter has become good friends with Haggard. Says he's a delightful guy with a great family.

According to AOL news, Pelosi also said:

Boyd [who replaced Haggard at New Life Church] also suggested that the man would not have come forward if an HBO documentary on Haggard were not airing this week. On Sunday, Boyd told his congregation, "I'm sorry that this wound has been reopened for many of you."

Alexandra Pelosi, director of the HBO documentary, said Monday she was sorry if that was the case.

"But this is what happens when you don't handle things properly at the time," said Pelosi, a daughter of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. "If the church had been 100 percent full disclosure at the time, maybe this wouldn't be a problem now."

January 27, 2009 8:02 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oops! Typo

Aunt Be = Aunt Bea

January 27, 2009 9:45 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

For myself, I think it was entirely out of line for Sam Adams, at age 45, to have a relationship with an 18-year-old. Then again, I think it was entirely out of line for an 18-year-old to have a relationship with a 45-year-old.

The biggest redeeming factor is that it was very short-lived (anonymous, there is no need for you to make bigoted comments at this point).

On that note, it was just wrong for Newt Gingrich to cheat on two successive wives with much younger women, especially while impeaching Bill Clinton.

People can be sleazy. We need to encourage our fellows to display the best side of their natures.

rrjr

January 27, 2009 3:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Andrea- not anon
Ted Haggard- another sad story-but I'm not feeling bad for him. He condemned homosexuals from his pulpit and lied about his own sexual acts and feelings- more than once it seems. His wife and kids deserve better than an adulterous liar.

January 28, 2009 2:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"He condemned homosexuals from his pulpit"

You guys keep saying this but I haven't read any thing that he's said like this. He was against gay marriage but I've never read him "condemn" gays. Are you just saying that or have you actually read something?

btw, I read the account of his latest accuser yesterday and it really is sad.

January 28, 2009 5:52 PM

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