HOW ARE GAY ACTIVISTS INFILTRATING SCHOOLS? If you can conceive of a way that sexual orientation can be introduced into the curriculum, so have homosexual activists. They are way ahead of you.
Gay activists have already influenced your child's sex education curriculum. In Maryland, a sex education committee approved a horribly one-sided curriculum, "[It] presents only one view on the subject 'that homosexuality is a natural and morally correct lifestyle' to the exclusion of other perspectives."
This sex-ed curriculum teaches children that "morality is a more subjective issue" and that people can "form a variety of [sexual] relationships lasting from one night to many years...."
It's hard to believe, but this offensive curriculum criticizes "fundamentalists" and specifically singles out the Baptists as "theologically flawed" and as "unenlightened and Biblically misguided." The curriculum indicates preference for five other named churches that, "fortunately," are not homophobic and are more friendly towards the homosexual lifestyle.
Luckily, a federal judge absolved the committee and required the school to rework its curriculum.
Don't expect this one ruling to thwart their efforts. The gay advocacy-in-education group in Maryland, Teachthefacts.org, is well organized and stand ready to influence Maryland public schools. This same group also refuses to permit research, performed by Dr. Robert Spitzer (a pro-gay marriage advocate), in the sex ed. curriculum showing that homosexuality is a self-determined lifestyle that can be changed. I suppose that free-speech and balanced perspectives are only applicable when it is convenient.
A new bill proposed in Massachusetts would require sexual education curriculum be included in all school's core beginning with fifth grade. "Maybe, if it's age appropriate" goes the general thinking, but a closer look reveals the influence of the gay-agenda in education:
By the end of grade 5:
Define sexual orientation using the correct terminology (such as heterosexual, and gay and lesbian)
Describe different types of families, addressing membership and social influences, and the functions of family members.
Identify whom to talk with about family problems and successes.
By the end of grade 8:
Describe behaviors and methods for pregnancy prevention, including abstinence.
Identify sexual discrimination and harassment - students use current events or media portrayal to discuss the consequences of discrimination based on sexual orientation.
But this battle is not limited to sex education curriculum. Homosexual activists are indoctrinating school kids through books as early as first grade. Using "fun stories" early and more explict 'coming out' teen books, public school students are being immersed with propaganda from the homosexual community. One book referenced in a public school curriculum includes the suggestion for students to "go to gay bars and have sex with adults to see if they like it".
February 11, 2006 8:41 PM
Anonymous said...
Previously, PTRS had notified the District that many of the books on the PRIDE booklist were published by Alyson Publications, a major publisher of homosexual pornography. The District ignored our concern. Some of the Alyson publications, including "One Teenager in Ten," had already been placed in the schools. These books encourage teens to, among other things, go to gay bars and have sex with adults to see if they like it. Alyson recently published "Becoming Visible," a how-to on introducing the homosexual agenda into the public schools.
Good, Anon. First you cut and paste something that could easily have been found if someone had followed the link in the post.
Then you post one of these CRC-type allegations, so full of misdirection and falsehood that a reader can't tell what the "facts" of the situation might be. But even this paragraph doesn't say that any book in a school actually encourages any kind of risky or undesirable behavior -- that implication is simply hinted at through very suspicious linkages.
Look at the Alyson Bookstore. There is an "erotica" section, with books you can find on Amazon.com or any other bookseller -- most of Alyson's books are gay-oriented, but to typify this publisher as "a major publisher of homosexual pornography" is a lie of the worst kind, that is, a slanderous, bad-intentioned lie that is easy to catch. To complain that somebody recommends a book that is put out by a publisher that also publishes some erotica, as a small percentage of its product line, is repulsive.
One of the books is One Teenager in Ten, an anthology of literature by young gay authors. See a review of it HERE. What could be the problem here?
This comment is outrageous: These books encourage teens to, among other things, go to gay bars and have sex with adults to see if they like it. Anon, since you posted this, how about you take the responsibility to track this statement down, and show us exactly where in "these books" there is anything remotely similar to this. Please, just give us a link, or cut-and-paste something for us.
I'll venture a guess:; this statement is a Big Fat Lie.
Reviews of Becoming Visible can be seen HERE. This book is not "a how-to on introducing the homosexual agenda into the public schools." Here's what the publisher says: Drawing from both primary and secondary sources, “Becoming Visible” traces the immutable presence of homosexuality through 2,000 years of history and a diverse range of cultures-from ancient Rome and Imperial China to the Third Reich and post-Stonewall America-and in the process invites a thoughtful examination of the odd dichotomy between those civilizations that accept and even nurture homosexuality and those that vilify it, all the while telegraphing the unmistakable message “Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people are everywhere.”
Anon, this is just too much, you continue to insult our readers with your ignorance.
I challenge you to do two things. First, do find us some concrete indication that any book by Alyson "encourages teens to, among other things, go to gay bars and have sex with adults to see if they like it." In fact, I dare you, see if you can find any link to any book IN THE ENTIRE WORLD that recommends doing that.
Second, and really, more important. In the future, please try to post comments that contain some content, express some thought-through opinion, or at least approximate truthfulness. These kinds of things, what you just posted here, really just make the case that the world (and you, especially) needs more education on matters of sexual orientation.
JimK
February 11, 2006 9:31 PM
Anonymous said...
interesting reaction
February 11, 2006 11:55 PM
Anonymous said...
yes, quite so
February 11, 2006 11:59 PM
Anonymous said...
Jim, to clarify your synopsis of the curriculum, the once-approved but never piloted curriculum didn't actually have a couple of classes on sexual orientation, but it did have a couple of classes in which sexual orientation was a part of the lesson. The curriculum that is in place at this time doesn't have even that much.
CRC and its big-money national supporters would have people believe that MCPS was going to institute a "pro-gay" curriculum. In reality, two units of the existing curriculum for the 8th and 10th grade were to have been updated with brief descriptions of sexual orientation as it is understood by all major mainstream American medical and mental health organizations.
It is the CRC who is going to the Board of Education and testifying about specific fetishes and sexual practices.
February 12, 2006 12:40 PM
Anonymous said...
"Jim, to clarify your synopsis of the curriculum, the once-approved but never piloted curriculum didn't actually have a couple of classes on sexual orientation, but it did have a couple of classes in which sexual orientation was a part of the lesson. The curriculum that is in place at this time doesn't have even that much.
CRC and its big-money national supporters would have people believe that MCPS was going to institute a "pro-gay" curriculum."
It was pro-gay because its purpose was to create a positive perception among teenagers about homosexuality. The Fishback committee, headed up by a gay-advocacy activist, sought to counter negative perceptions, saying they were untrue because of pronouncements from certain professional organizations. It took a position.
"In reality, two units of the existing curriculum for the 8th and 10th grade were to have been updated with brief descriptions of sexual orientation"
Brief pro-gay descriptions.
"as it is understood by all major mainstream American medical and mental health organizations."
Interesting how often this exact phrase gets repeated by TTFers. Almost seems "well-organized." It demonstrates how afraid they are of discussing actual scientific findings. Those findings don't support TTF propaganda.
It is the CRC who is going to the Board of Education and testifying about specific fetishes and sexual practices
February 13, 2006 7:36 AM
Anonymous said...
"It is the CRC who is going to the Board of Education and testifying about specific fetishes and sexual practices"
Anon, Can't you find some friends to play with out there? I mean I know CRC's site is dead in the water -but there are plenty of people like you out there- go and find them. Do you spend the rest of your time outside with a sandwich board sign that says "Beware, the end is near"?
February 13, 2006 2:10 PM
Anonymous said...
"IGNORANT IGNORANT BIGOT"
WHAT DID YOU SAY, FREE?
I SAID HOMOSEXUALITY IS A FETISH! LOOK IT UP!
February 13, 2006 4:10 PM
Anonymous said...
"Can't you find some friends to play with out there? I mean I know CRC's site is dead in the water -but there are plenty of people like you out there- go and find them. Do you spend the rest of your time outside with a sandwich board sign that says "Beware, the end is near"?"
Yeah, remember I ran into you wearing your sandwich board up on the Pike that read, "Magic crystals and incense, 30% off yesterday's 30% markup"
Anon, you serve a function here, by reminding the rest of us of exactly what we never want to be. But sometimes your shrillness, and your eyes-shut-tight la-la-la trying to drown out reality, become unbelievable. Nobody can really be like that, can they? Day after day after day?
Don't you want to peek sometimes? Don't you ever wonder what's really out there in the world you are constantly trying to shout down?
JimK
February 13, 2006 4:31 PM
Anonymous said...
anonymous said, "I SAID HOMOSEXUALITY IS A FETISH! LOOK IT UP!"
STILL AN IGNORANT IGNORANT IGNORANT IGNORANT BIGOT
freebird
February 13, 2006 7:36 PM
Anonymous said...
"Anon, you serve a function here, by reminding the rest of us of exactly what we never want to be. But sometimes your shrillness, and your eyes-shut-tight la-la-la trying to drown out reality, become unbelievable. Nobody can really be like that, can they? Day after day after day?
Don't you want to peek sometimes? Don't you ever wonder what's really out there in the world you are constantly trying to shout down?"
Jim, you fool. You're the one who only accepts things that support your preconceived bias.
February 13, 2006 7:59 PM
Anonymous said...
"STILL AN IGNORANT IGNORANT IGNORANT IGNORANT BIGOT"
DID YOU LOOK UP FETISH YET BECAUSE I THINK YOU MIGHT BE AN IGNORAMUS!!!!!!
Why don't you do the "looking up" and direct us to the authorities who consider homosexuality a fetish.
February 13, 2006 10:03 PM
Anonymous said...
Come on anonymous tell us all what it means and how it relates to anyone being a homosexual. Expand further and tell us how it relates to a comprehensive sex education being taught in public schools.
freebird
February 13, 2006 10:04 PM
Anonymous said...
an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically and irrationally necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
How disingenuous can you be? Nobody asked you for a dictionary definition of fetish. We asked you for the reference to your claim that homosexuality is a fetish.
February 14, 2006 10:42 AM
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said... an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically and irrationally necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
____________
How is that related to anyone being a homosexual? It doesn't....
Who or what has claimed homosexuality is a fetish other than you anonymous? Nobody....
freebird
February 14, 2006 11:47 AM
Anonymous said...
"an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically and irrationally necessary for sexual gratification"
male anatomy
"and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression"
inability to function with women
February 14, 2006 1:18 PM
Anonymous said...
....and if you are a woman?
freebird
February 14, 2006 2:41 PM
Anonymous said...
..or what if you are impotent, etc.?
You know on that inability to function with women to complete that sexual expression.
This I know will be interesting (in a warped weird way) coming from you anonymous.
That is the most twisted definition of homosexuality I've ever seen. It's becoming increasingly clear that you have very personal reasons for your animus.
Look at the Alyson Bookstore. There is an "erotica" section, with books you can find on Amazon.com or any other bookseller -- most of Alyson's books are gay-oriented, but to typify this publisher as "a major publisher of homosexual pornography" is a lie of the worst kind, that is, a slanderous, bad-intentioned lie that is easy to catch. To complain that somebody recommends a book that is put out by a publisher that also publishes some erotica, as a small percentage of its product line, is repulsive.
Well, I decided to go have a look see for myself...you know, Alyson Books...my, my, my, did their catalog ever make me blush! Wow!
Now, naturally this begs the question...is it "art" or "pornography"?
While it is true that the erotica section is rather small...six titles in all, the category labeled "Photobooks" is rather extensive (56 titles in all; yes, I counted them) and shall I say...well...ok, graphic. I think these URL's represent well what Alyson Books offers,
One of the books is One Teenager in Ten, an anthology of literature by young gay authors. See a review of it HERE. What could be the problem here?
Well, for starters, the title relies upon misinformation from the get go, that is the title of the book, _One Teenager in Ten_. The figure of 10% has been completely discredited by every scholarly source...so, why is it popping up on a website dedicated to "teaching the facts"? Well, some of us already know that answer, though I thought I would ask it anyhow...
Of the two books mentioned, one is available almost at my finger tips, _Becoming Visible_, so just as soon as the CSU library opens in the morning, I intend to check it out. The other book, the one with the misinformed (and dated title, though, to be fair, the first edition was published in 1983...what is puzzling is why they would publish a 2nd ed with the very same title) title, _One Teenager in Ten: Writings by Gay and Lesbian Youth_ is available at a Denver metro library, so I will have to request it thru inter-library loan (which takes a while).
Another interesting title that has been overlooked is _Not the Only One: Lesbian and Gay Fiction for Teens_ (which as luck would have it, is also available from my city library - the City of Fort Collins is good that way, the library staff is very professional in selecting what material will be placed in the collection, withholding personal prejudice since the same library also has several books by Chuck Colson).
Jim writes,
This comment is outrageous: These books encourage teens to, among other things, go to gay bars and have sex with adults to see if they like it. Anon, since you posted this, how about you take the responsibility to track this statement down, and show us exactly where in "these books" there is anything remotely similar to this. Please, just give us a link, or cut-and-paste something for us.
I'll venture a guess:; this statement is a Big Fat Lie.
Well, how about I take you on? I will check out these books and return and report. How about a bet? If I win, then you owe me coffee and dessert at Cake Love, an upscale bakery in the District (which I would collect on the next time I get back to DC to visit my sister).
We'd definitely have to celebrate that, too, Orin.
JimK
February 15, 2006 7:26 AM
This is not the kind of site I usually read, it's called Right Faith (motto: "Where Everything Favors the Stewardship of Patrimony"). (No, I didn't make that up, and it doesn't appear to be a joke.) But they've got a post there about "Gay Activism in Public Schools," and they talk about us.
First, they say a little bit about the controversy here in Montgomery County, using the Eagle Forum's description of the situation, block-quoting a big chunk. Sample: It's hard to believe, but this offensive curriculum criticizes "fundamentalists" and specifically singles out the Baptists as "theologically flawed" and as "unenlightened and Biblically misguided." I won't even try to say how many things are incorrect in that one sentence, I guess if Phyllis Schlafly says it, it's not considered lying, is it? Anyway, so they take the story up to the lawsuit.
Then, listen to this: Don't expect this one ruling to thwart their efforts. The gay advocacy-in-education group in Maryland, Teachthefacts.org, is well organized and stand ready to influence Maryland public schools. This same group also refuses to permit research, performed by Dr. Robert Spitzer (a pro-gay marriage advocate), in the sex ed. curriculum showing that homosexuality is a self-determined lifestyle that can be changed. I suppose that free-speech and balanced perspectives are only applicable when it is convenient. I especially like the way we are a "gay advocacy-in-education group." We could have been a "gay-advocacy in education group," but no, they seem to be saying we're actually gay, and promote "advocacy in education," whatever that means.
Uh ... you're wrong, dude.
There are American flags all over this web site, so I guess they're more patriotic than us, and I suppose that means that when they make stuff up, too, it's not lying, it's just, I don't know, making a point. The hint would be the "Rally for Bush Blogroll" on the side of their blog.
And man, the one thing we are proud of is that we are "well organized," just like they say. We don't spend one hour and fifty five minutes of a two-hour meeting joking around and going off on tangents ... do we? We do? Oh, yeah, that's right, we do. But for five minutes we are definitely well organized. We just never know when those five minutes are going to come, that's why it takes us two hours. And they never come all at once, it's like ten seconds here, thirty seconds there. Once we went a whole minute staying on-topic.
And, y'know, the school board has to run everything by us before they can make any decision at all. Oh yeah, that's true. Like, we refuse to permit research, performed by Dr. Robert Spitzer or anybody else, into any curriculum. And if we say no research, that's it, there's no research. We put our foot down. We are in control of the whole process -- just ask these rightwing paranoids.
For the record, nobody in their right mind believes that Spitzer's informal research showed that "homosexuality is a self-determined lifestyle that can be changed." Spitzer's badly designed and poorly implemented study found a few people, after a year and a half of searching, who convinced Spitzer, in telephone interviews, that they had "gone straight" after being gay. Even Spitzer himself says, "I suspect the vast majority of gay people would be unable to alter by much a firmly established homosexual orientation."
This statement on the Right Faith blog links to a truly ridiculous story by Jon Ward in the Washington Times, written after our forum last year, where the reporter ignored everything that was presented by the expert speakers, and wrote instead about what the executive director of PFOX said about Spitzer's study. It was bizarre, but Right Faith is eating it up, five months later.
This guy goes way off the deep end. You might have heard about "Fistgate," an unfortunate event in Massachusetts where a group brought some inappropriate literature to a convention at a high school. The wingnut web sites just love to quote this juicy stuff, in all its gory detail, and they love to link to the book, just to make sure their readers can be suitably titillated horrified. The Right Faith blog links to it, of course, but just in case their readers can't figure out how to click on the link, they include some quotes about fisting and watersports and stuff, just to show their readers how totally stimulating offensive it really is.
Then, a classic, they say, I simply can't believe that our public school students are being taught this; it is unfathomable and outrageous.
Of course, the truth is, nobody is teaching this, and nobody -- I mean nobody at all -- says they should.
I've been having fun with these idiots, but let me explain.
TeachTheFacts.org advocates a comprehensive and inclusive sex-education curriculum for Montgomery County public schools. There will be a couple of classes on sexual orientation, and there will be some discussion of proper condom use (as there has been for years). The curriculum that will be implemented will have lots of discussion of abstinence and why it is the best policy, including not only stuff about pregnancy and STDs but also discussions of how being sexually active affects a teen's social life, self-esteem, reputation, relationship with the other person, and everything else. We're not proposing or promoting anything radical, not trying to force anything on anybody. This is the kind of education that people all over the country want, as shown by numerous surveys. The schools will teach about sexual orientation and sexual identity, and we want to make sure that the classes are consistent with the opinions of the scientific and medical experts, and we do not want to see the schools stigmatize sexual minorities.
That's not much to ask. The "Right Faiths" of the world want to blow it out of proportion, but we're not asking for very much at all.
"Sometimes They Just Make It Up"
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HOW ARE GAY ACTIVISTS INFILTRATING SCHOOLS?
If you can conceive of a way that sexual orientation can be introduced into the curriculum, so have homosexual activists. They are way ahead of you.
Gay activists have already influenced your child's sex education curriculum. In Maryland, a sex education committee approved a horribly one-sided curriculum,
"[It] presents only one view on the subject 'that homosexuality is a natural and morally correct lifestyle' to the exclusion of other perspectives."
This sex-ed curriculum teaches children that "morality is a more subjective issue" and that people can "form a variety of [sexual] relationships lasting from one night to many years...."
It's hard to believe, but this offensive curriculum criticizes "fundamentalists" and specifically singles out the Baptists as "theologically flawed" and as "unenlightened and Biblically misguided." The curriculum indicates preference for five other named churches that, "fortunately," are not homophobic and are more friendly towards the homosexual lifestyle.
Luckily, a federal judge absolved the committee and required the school to rework its curriculum.
Don't expect this one ruling to thwart their efforts. The gay advocacy-in-education group in Maryland, Teachthefacts.org, is well organized and stand ready to influence Maryland public schools. This same group also refuses to permit research, performed by Dr. Robert Spitzer (a pro-gay marriage advocate), in the sex ed. curriculum showing that homosexuality is a self-determined lifestyle that can be changed. I suppose that free-speech and balanced perspectives are only applicable when it is convenient.
A new bill proposed in Massachusetts would require sexual education curriculum be included in all school's core beginning with fifth grade. "Maybe, if it's age appropriate" goes the general thinking, but a closer look reveals the influence of the gay-agenda in education:
By the end of grade 5:
Define sexual orientation using the correct terminology (such as heterosexual, and gay and lesbian)
Describe different types of families, addressing membership and social influences, and the functions of family members.
Identify whom to talk with about family problems and successes.
By the end of grade 8:
Describe behaviors and methods for pregnancy prevention, including abstinence.
Identify sexual discrimination and harassment - students use current events or media portrayal to discuss the consequences of discrimination based on sexual orientation.
But this battle is not limited to sex education curriculum. Homosexual activists are indoctrinating school kids through books as early as first grade. Using "fun stories" early and more explict 'coming out' teen books, public school students are being immersed with propaganda from the homosexual community. One book referenced in a public school curriculum includes the suggestion for students to "go to gay bars and have sex with adults to see if they like it".
February 11, 2006 8:41 PM
Previously, PTRS had notified the District that many of the books on the PRIDE booklist were published by Alyson Publications, a major publisher of homosexual pornography. The District ignored our concern. Some of the Alyson publications, including "One Teenager in Ten," had already been placed in the schools. These books encourage teens to, among other things, go to gay bars and have sex with adults to see if they like it. Alyson recently published "Becoming Visible," a how-to on introducing the homosexual agenda into the public schools.
February 11, 2006 8:45 PM
Good, Anon. First you cut and paste something that could easily have been found if someone had followed the link in the post.
Then you post one of these CRC-type allegations, so full of misdirection and falsehood that a reader can't tell what the "facts" of the situation might be. But even this paragraph doesn't say that any book in a school actually encourages any kind of risky or undesirable behavior -- that implication is simply hinted at through very suspicious linkages.
Look at the Alyson Bookstore. There is an "erotica" section, with books you can find on Amazon.com or any other bookseller -- most of Alyson's books are gay-oriented, but to typify this publisher as "a major publisher of homosexual pornography" is a lie of the worst kind, that is, a slanderous, bad-intentioned lie that is easy to catch. To complain that somebody recommends a book that is put out by a publisher that also publishes some erotica, as a small percentage of its product line, is repulsive.
One of the books is One Teenager in Ten, an anthology of literature by young gay authors. See a review of it HERE. What could be the problem here?
This comment is outrageous: These books encourage teens to, among other things, go to gay bars and have sex with adults to see if they like it. Anon, since you posted this, how about you take the responsibility to track this statement down, and show us exactly where in "these books" there is anything remotely similar to this. Please, just give us a link, or cut-and-paste something for us.
I'll venture a guess:; this statement is a Big Fat Lie.
Reviews of Becoming Visible can be seen HERE. This book is not "a how-to on introducing the homosexual agenda into the public schools." Here's what the publisher says: Drawing from both primary and secondary sources, “Becoming Visible” traces the immutable presence of homosexuality through 2,000 years of history and a diverse range of cultures-from ancient Rome and Imperial China to the Third Reich and post-Stonewall America-and in the process invites a thoughtful examination of the odd dichotomy between those civilizations that accept and even nurture homosexuality and those that vilify it, all the while telegraphing the unmistakable message “Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people are everywhere.”
Anon, this is just too much, you continue to insult our readers with your ignorance.
I challenge you to do two things. First, do find us some concrete indication that any book by Alyson "encourages teens to, among other things, go to gay bars and have sex with adults to see if they like it." In fact, I dare you, see if you can find any link to any book IN THE ENTIRE WORLD that recommends doing that.
Second, and really, more important. In the future, please try to post comments that contain some content, express some thought-through opinion, or at least approximate truthfulness. These kinds of things, what you just posted here, really just make the case that the world (and you, especially) needs more education on matters of sexual orientation.
JimK
February 11, 2006 9:31 PM
interesting reaction
February 11, 2006 11:55 PM
yes, quite so
February 11, 2006 11:59 PM
Jim, to clarify your synopsis of the curriculum, the once-approved but never piloted curriculum didn't actually have a couple of classes on sexual orientation, but it did have a couple of classes in which sexual orientation was a part of the lesson. The curriculum that is in place at this time doesn't have even that much.
CRC and its big-money national supporters would have people believe that MCPS was going to institute a "pro-gay" curriculum. In reality, two units of the existing curriculum for the 8th and 10th grade were to have been updated with brief descriptions of sexual orientation as it is understood by all major mainstream American medical and mental health organizations.
It is the CRC who is going to the Board of Education and testifying about specific fetishes and sexual practices.
February 12, 2006 12:40 PM
"Jim, to clarify your synopsis of the curriculum, the once-approved but never piloted curriculum didn't actually have a couple of classes on sexual orientation, but it did have a couple of classes in which sexual orientation was a part of the lesson. The curriculum that is in place at this time doesn't have even that much.
CRC and its big-money national supporters would have people believe that MCPS was going to institute a "pro-gay" curriculum."
It was pro-gay because its purpose was to create a positive perception among teenagers about homosexuality. The Fishback committee, headed up by a gay-advocacy activist, sought to counter negative perceptions, saying they were untrue because of pronouncements from certain professional organizations. It took a position.
"In reality, two units of the existing curriculum for the 8th and 10th grade were to have been updated with brief descriptions of sexual orientation"
Brief pro-gay descriptions.
"as it is understood by all major mainstream American medical and mental health organizations."
Interesting how often this exact phrase gets repeated by TTFers. Almost seems "well-organized." It demonstrates how afraid they are of discussing actual scientific findings. Those findings don't support TTF propaganda.
It is the CRC who is going to the Board of Education and testifying about specific fetishes and sexual practices
February 13, 2006 7:36 AM
"It is the CRC who is going to the Board of Education and testifying about specific fetishes and sexual practices"
Homosexuality is a fetish.
February 13, 2006 12:03 PM
anonymous said, "Homosexuality is a fetish. "
IGNORANT IGNORANT BIGOT
freebird
February 13, 2006 1:15 PM
"Homosexuality is a fetish."
How 19th century Freudian of you, Anon.
February 13, 2006 1:51 PM
Anon,
Can't you find some friends to play with out there? I mean I know CRC's site is dead in the water -but there are plenty of people like you out there- go and find them. Do you spend the rest of your time outside with a sandwich board sign that says "Beware, the end is near"?
February 13, 2006 2:10 PM
"IGNORANT IGNORANT BIGOT"
WHAT DID YOU SAY, FREE?
I SAID HOMOSEXUALITY IS A FETISH! LOOK IT UP!
February 13, 2006 4:10 PM
"Can't you find some friends to play with out there? I mean I know CRC's site is dead in the water -but there are plenty of people like you out there- go and find them. Do you spend the rest of your time outside with a sandwich board sign that says "Beware, the end is near"?"
Yeah, remember I ran into you wearing your sandwich board up on the Pike that read, "Magic crystals and incense, 30% off yesterday's 30% markup"
February 13, 2006 4:14 PM
Anon- as usual, your comment makes no sense.
February 13, 2006 4:30 PM
Anon, you serve a function here, by reminding the rest of us of exactly what we never want to be. But sometimes your shrillness, and your eyes-shut-tight la-la-la trying to drown out reality, become unbelievable. Nobody can really be like that, can they? Day after day after day?
Don't you want to peek sometimes? Don't you ever wonder what's really out there in the world you are constantly trying to shout down?
JimK
February 13, 2006 4:31 PM
anonymous said, "I SAID HOMOSEXUALITY IS A FETISH! LOOK IT UP!"
STILL AN IGNORANT IGNORANT IGNORANT IGNORANT BIGOT
freebird
February 13, 2006 7:36 PM
"Anon, you serve a function here, by reminding the rest of us of exactly what we never want to be. But sometimes your shrillness, and your eyes-shut-tight la-la-la trying to drown out reality, become unbelievable. Nobody can really be like that, can they? Day after day after day?
Don't you want to peek sometimes? Don't you ever wonder what's really out there in the world you are constantly trying to shout down?"
Jim, you fool. You're the one who only accepts things that support your preconceived bias.
February 13, 2006 7:59 PM
"STILL AN IGNORANT IGNORANT IGNORANT IGNORANT BIGOT"
DID YOU LOOK UP FETISH YET BECAUSE I THINK YOU MIGHT BE AN IGNORAMUS!!!!!!
February 13, 2006 8:00 PM
Why don't you do the "looking up" and direct us to the authorities who consider homosexuality a fetish.
February 13, 2006 10:03 PM
Come on anonymous tell us all what it means and how it relates to anyone being a homosexual. Expand further and tell us how it relates to a comprehensive sex education being taught in public schools.
freebird
February 13, 2006 10:04 PM
an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically and irrationally necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
February 14, 2006 9:03 AM
How disingenuous can you be? Nobody asked you for a dictionary definition of fetish. We asked you for the reference to your claim that homosexuality is a fetish.
February 14, 2006 10:42 AM
Anonymous said...
an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically and irrationally necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression
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How is that related to anyone being a homosexual? It doesn't....
Who or what has claimed homosexuality is a fetish other than you anonymous? Nobody....
freebird
February 14, 2006 11:47 AM
"an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically and irrationally necessary for sexual gratification"
male anatomy
"and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression"
inability to function with women
February 14, 2006 1:18 PM
....and if you are a woman?
freebird
February 14, 2006 2:41 PM
..or what if you are impotent, etc.?
You know on that inability to function with women to complete that sexual expression.
This I know will be interesting (in a warped weird way) coming from you anonymous.
freebird
February 14, 2006 2:46 PM
That is the most twisted definition of homosexuality I've ever seen. It's becoming increasingly clear that you have very personal reasons for your animus.
February 14, 2006 11:40 PM
Jim writes,
Look at the Alyson Bookstore. There is an "erotica" section, with books you can find on Amazon.com or any other bookseller -- most of Alyson's books are gay-oriented, but to typify this publisher as "a major publisher of homosexual pornography" is a lie of the worst kind, that is, a slanderous, bad-intentioned lie that is easy to catch. To complain that somebody recommends a book that is put out by a publisher that also publishes some erotica, as a small percentage of its product line, is repulsive.
Well, I decided to go have a look see for myself...you know, Alyson Books...my, my, my, did their catalog ever make me blush! Wow!
Now, naturally this begs the question...is it "art" or "pornography"?
While it is true that the erotica section is rather small...six titles in all, the category labeled "Photobooks" is rather extensive (56 titles in all; yes, I counted them) and shall I say...well...ok, graphic. I think these URL's represent well what Alyson Books offers,
http://store.yahoo.com/alysonbooks/temptation.html
and
http://store.yahoo.com/alysonbooks/stvarevi.html
Jim writes,
One of the books is One Teenager in Ten, an anthology of literature by young gay authors. See a review of it HERE. What could be the problem here?
Well, for starters, the title relies upon misinformation from the get go, that is the title of the book, _One Teenager in Ten_. The figure of 10% has been completely discredited by every scholarly source...so, why is it popping up on a website dedicated to "teaching the facts"? Well, some of us already know that answer, though I thought I would ask it anyhow...
Of the two books mentioned, one is available almost at my finger tips, _Becoming Visible_, so just as soon as the CSU library opens in the morning, I intend to check it out. The other book, the one with the misinformed (and dated title, though, to be fair, the first edition was published in 1983...what is puzzling is why they would publish a 2nd ed with the very same title) title, _One Teenager in Ten: Writings by Gay and Lesbian Youth_ is available at a Denver metro library, so I will have to request it thru inter-library loan (which takes a while).
Another interesting title that has been overlooked is _Not the Only One: Lesbian and Gay Fiction for Teens_ (which as luck would have it, is also available from my city library - the City of Fort Collins is good that way, the library staff is very professional in selecting what material will be placed in the collection, withholding personal prejudice since the same library also has several books by Chuck Colson).
Jim writes,
This comment is outrageous: These books encourage teens to, among other things, go to gay bars and have sex with adults to see if they like it. Anon, since you posted this, how about you take the responsibility to track this statement down, and show us exactly where in "these books" there is anything remotely similar to this. Please, just give us a link, or cut-and-paste something for us.
I'll venture a guess:; this statement is a Big Fat Lie.
Well, how about I take you on? I will check out these books and return and report. How about a bet? If I win, then you owe me coffee and dessert at Cake Love, an upscale bakery in the District (which I would collect on the next time I get back to DC to visit my sister).
Deal?
February 15, 2006 6:23 AM
You got a deal, Orin.
JimK
February 15, 2006 6:53 AM
Jim writes,
You got a deal, Orin.
JimK
...and if you win?
February 15, 2006 7:08 AM
We'd definitely have to celebrate that, too, Orin.
JimK
February 15, 2006 7:26 AM