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"NFL adds personality test to complement IQ test"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

every so often there's an article telling us the Wonderlic failed to predict LaDainian Tomlinson's aptitude for finding and running through open spaces so maybe the NFL should stop using it. that's kind of interesting, but when will an intrepid journalist investigate the Wonderlic's ability to predict off-field shenanigans like by looking at, say, the percentage of total salary eventually paid in child support?

Steve, inquiring minds are looking in your direction.

2/21/13, 7:13 PM

Anonymous Alice said...

Maybe Roid Rage is hard to predict when they have all steroids on their system, so they need a personality test to find the most likely to blow.

Or maybe they are just pro actively avoiding a disparate impact suit.

2/21/13, 7:14 PM

Blogger Assistant Village Idiot said...

"If your injury will take three months to heal but there are only two months left until the playoffs, how much do you need to increase your regular intake of PED's?"

2/21/13, 7:31 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The goal was to eliminate the impact of prior knowledge — subjects taught in school, like math, in which racial and socioeconomic factors may have an influence."

You know, by NFL rule, each and every player at the combine has been in college for at least the last three years.

2/21/13, 7:53 PM

Blogger wwwww said...

fire fighter tests have not held up in nyc. valid for nfl though

2/21/13, 7:55 PM

Anonymous Silver said...

I've got a feeling personality is going to matter as much to NFL performance as personality does when it comes to sexual attraction.

2/21/13, 8:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How does the NFL get away with the Wonderlic if it's understood by everyone to be an IQ test? I thought IQ tests by employers were prohibited?

2/21/13, 8:15 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How does the NFL get away with the Wonderlic if it's understood by everyone to be an IQ test? I thought IQ tests by employers were prohibited?

C'mon.

The new test was devised by Harold Goldstein, a professor of industrial and organizational psychology at Baruch College in New York. He worked with Cyrus Mehri, a lawyer in Washington who leads the Fritz Pollard Alliance, which monitors the N.F.L.’s minority hiring practices.

2/21/13, 8:36 PM

Anonymous bjdubbs said...

I took a personality test for a temp job that included questions like "On a scale of one to ten, lying is always wrong" and "On a scale of 1 to 10, have you ever contemplated shoplifting." I picked 7 or 8 because I figured the liars would pick 10.

2/21/13, 8:39 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The NFL should give the Wonderlic and the personality test to players both at the beginning and the end of their careers. The results might be sobering.

2/21/13, 8:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Battista may not be the most quotable or side-splittingly hilarious sportswriter working, but just imagine how much worse this story could have been if bylined to one of the bros at Extra Mustard

2/21/13, 9:06 PM

Anonymous class of 2003 said...

Fritz Pollard Sr. must be the last person graduated by Brown University with saleable work skills...

2/21/13, 9:09 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do any other employers besides the NFL use the Wonderlic to screen job candidates?

2/21/13, 9:13 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a page that lists some businesses and organizations that use the Wonderlic to screen job applicants:

http://www.wonderlic.com/resources/client-stories

The Clayton County Fire Dept. uses it and a representative from the dept. said that "I rely on the Wonderlic Classic Cognitive Ability Test because it gives me the best measurement of what we’re looking for in a trainee.”

http://www.wonderlic.com/client-stories/clayton-county-fire-department

I thought fire departments couldn't use IQ tests anymore after that thing in Connecticut?

2/21/13, 9:17 PM

Anonymous ben tillman said...

Fritz Pollard Sr. must be the last person graduated by Brown University with saleable work skills...

Really? Class of 1919?

2/21/13, 9:38 PM

Anonymous Chicago said...

If they want a psychological test that'll gauge mental toughness and determination then forget about the pen and paper stuff for which people can be coached. Make them demonstrate it. One possible test: kill and eat an alligator using only a bowie knife. That should weed out the unmotivated quickly. Other tests can be added, such as ordeal by fire, water,etc. Namby-pamby types need not apply.

2/21/13, 9:46 PM

Blogger Thursday said...

I wonder if you couldn't accurately test conscientiousness through making people do the most tedious stuff imaginable for a few hours and see who still gets the job done.

2/21/13, 10:29 PM

Anonymous DYork said...

Is Cyrus Mehri a "Persian Jew"?

Shouldn't a black lawyer be doing his job and receiving the benefits?

2/22/13, 2:47 AM

Blogger Black Sea said...

When Bill Parcells was asked about the personality of Lawrence Taylor, specifically, and that Super-Bowl-winning team, more generally, he did point out that (approximate quote) "Well adjusted people don't play professional football."

2/22/13, 4:38 AM

Blogger DCThrowback said...

Couple of Wonderlic examples: I once took one for a small insurance company that was looking for salespeople. After the test, the office manager asked why I was here? are you sure you want do this? - he told me to go on a sales call - which forcefully showed me that I didn't have the stomach or conscious for suckering old folks into buying more supplemental insurance.

JP Losman, drafted in the first round by the Bills in '04, scored a less than impressive 17 his 1st time taking the Wonderlic. He re-took it a month or so later and scored a 31. The Bills GM at the time said the second score showed who Losman was, justifying the selection.

The GM was fired in 2008 and Losman finished his NFL career with a 10-23 overall record. The things was, it was noted that Losman had all the physical skills...but...was a bit of a rockhead. Huh.

2/22/13, 5:11 AM

Anonymous FWG said...

I wonder what those Clayton County Fire Department scores are in 2013.

Pat McInally, the only known NFL player to score a 50, said he scored a 49 when he took it again in 2007, after a career in which he purportedly sustained six concussions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_McInally

2/22/13, 6:05 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the link you provide, Cyrus Mehri states:

Any way you look at it, the fact that a top civil-rights attorney has commissioned a survey of diversity in ad agencies does not bode well for the agencies whose ranks are still overwhelmingly white.

The preliminary results of this study are showing shortfalls that are rare to have in this magnitude in this modern day and indicate purposeful discrimination.


He'll certainly soon investigate this firm with its overwhelmingly (...) attorneys.

2/22/13, 7:23 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://on.cnn.com/YpyTtL

The skunk method

2/22/13, 8:50 AM

OpenID staffanspersonalityblog said...

It may add a little something, but conscientiousness only correlates 0.25 to work performance and other traits much less than that. Meanwhile, the old-fashioned IQ correlates 0.6.

@Thursday,

The problem is that they may be highly motivated and act out of character. People with ADHD vary a lot in IQ for this reason.

The best way to sort out people likely to crash and burn is probably to look at their life history. Impulsiveness tends to get you in trouble from an early age.

2/22/13, 8:53 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/02/22/californias-hollow-comeback/

‎"California has the nation’s highest poverty rate despite being the wealthiest state."

Rich get richer , poor get poorer.

2/22/13, 9:10 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv4yz1v8lIA&list=UU4EY_qnSeAP1xGsh61eOoJA&index=8

Rise of the mulattos

not-so-black yammering about black

2/22/13, 9:28 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

One would think that years of playing football would be predictive of the personality types that do well at football.

2/22/13, 9:43 AM

Anonymous Frank Layden said...

Karl Malone was not drafted until the second half of the first round of the 1985 NBA draft because he did so badly on the personality test, but he turned out to be the greatest power forward in the history of the league.

2/22/13, 9:51 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/21/america-s-new-mandarins.html

The people who pass these sorts of admissions tests are very clever. But they're also, as time goes on, increasingly narrow. The way to pass a series of highly competitive exams is to focus every fiber of your being on learning what the authorities want, and giving it to them. To the extent that the "Tiger Mom" phenomenon is actually real, it's arguably the cultural legacy of the Mandarin system.

2/22/13, 10:26 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Do any other employers besides the NFL use the Wonderlic to screen job candidates?"

Fortune 500 companies use it routinely to screen candidates for executive positions. Also, some executive talent placement agencies require you to take it; they use high scores to promote their clientele.

2/22/13, 10:43 AM

Blogger RonMexico said...

The San Diego Chargers contracted with a company that my brother works for to do personality testing on Michael Vick and others before the 01 draft. The Chargers found the results very helpful and passed on using the 1 pick on Vick, instead trading it to Atlanta. There were contract number issues that factored in, but my bros company's results were important. Then SD drafted Tomlinson with the 5th pick and nabbed Drew Brees first in the 2nd round. They, the Chargers, wished they had done the same with Ryan Leaf in '98.

2/22/13, 11:09 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"While many coaches and general managers consider the Wonderlic particularly useful in evaluating quarterbacks and offensive linemen"

Funny... positions that tend to be white.

2/22/13, 12:07 PM

Anonymous FWG said...

I'd imagine Karl Malone was one of the more conservative black NBA players.

2/22/13, 12:38 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just ever-so-slightly off-topic, but there's a new brother/brother combo to add to the iSteve Pantheon of Fame [following in the footsteps of Dick & Tom Van Arsdale, Eli & Peyton Manning, Jim & John Harbaugh, etc etc etc]:

Tyler & Cody Zeller, now both 1st Team Academic All-Americans in NCAA basketball!!!

And their third brother, Luke, has appeared in 16 games so far this season for the Phoenix Suns.

2/22/13, 2:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The new test was devised by Harold Goldstein, a professor of industrial and organizational psychology at Baruch College in New York. He worked with Cyrus Mehri, a lawyer in Washington who leads the Fritz Pollard Alliance, which monitors the N.F.L.’s minority hiring practices.

Somebody mis-spelled MacGoldstein and MacBaruch and MacMehri and MacPollard.

2/22/13, 2:09 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fritz Pollard Sr. must be the last person graduated by Brown University with saleable work skills...

Really? Class of 1919?


Tukey graduated in 1936, and he discovered [or at least re-discovered] the Fast Fourier Transform [among many other things].

BTW, he was home-schooled by his mother, Adah Tasker Tukey, who was valedictorian at Bates College in 1898 [his father, Ralph H. Tukey, was salutatorian that year].

For all intents and purposes, she quit her career in order to concentrate on tutoring her son.

2/22/13, 2:27 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rich get richer , poor get poorer.

Illiterate illegals are imported by the rich in the interests of cheap lawn care.

2/22/13, 5:01 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: Karl Malone


He is an interesting case. He truly did seem to reform his life and adapt perfectly to Salt Lake City. Say what you want about gays is SLC you can't go around knocking up 13 year olds for very long there.

2/22/13, 5:14 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does the U.S military record the average IQ of special forces personnel?

2/22/13, 6:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does the U.S military record the average IQ of special forces personnel?

They'd certainly keep track of that. Because of their high cost of training SF are intensely studied.

2/22/13, 7:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe off-topic, but that picture of Johnie Cochrane made me think back to when that verdict was read about O.J. Simpson.

Now Cochrane is dead and Simpson is in prison.

2/22/13, 9:07 PM

Blogger Truth said...

"Maybe off-topic, but that picture of Johnie Cochrane made me think back to when that verdict was read about O.J. Simpson."

Not off topic, off century.

2/23/13, 9:20 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

NFL IQ test: Spell "duh"

2/23/13, 11:05 AM

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