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"Stop the Presses! Latino ad consultants say Romney and Obama should spend more on Latino ads"

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Anonymous Glossy said...

"If Romney is going to advertise in languages other than English, I am least reassured to learn that he's trying to say the same thing in all languages."

Steve, I think you meant "...I am least reassured to learn that he's trying to say different things in different languages."

Or "...I am least worried to learn that he's trying to say the same thing in all languages."

7/1/12, 2:17 PM

Anonymous William Boot said...

I'd be interested in a post on whether you think there's any chance for a strong "no more unskilled immigration" to appeal to a big chunk of black and hispanic voters and thus take away a good bit of Obama's base.

Logically, it would seem that the people who'd benefit most from no more low IQ unskilled immigrants would be low IQ unskilled citizens. It would slash their unemployment rates, raise their wages, leave more welfare/medicaid/etc. for them (because there'd be fewer of them for functional Americans to support) and give more extra help for their kids.

Against all of that — making life way better for me and my family — is racial solidarity (for hispanics) and, what?, NAM solidarity for blacks?

Why don't politicians who want to stop low skill immigration ever make that case aggressively?

I'd end the message with "Do what's best for you and yours. You can still claim you voted Democrat afterward."

7/1/12, 2:25 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder how many states Romney could win if he read part of the article to the audience, looked into the camera and said, "Go to hell, you race hustlers."

7/1/12, 3:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why should Obama pay for what he can get for free? Why should Romney pay for something that comes with no rewards?

7/1/12, 3:42 PM

Anonymous RKU said...

Obviously, Romney should hire a whole bunch of Hispanic marketing experts who, at vast expense, would come up with a brilliant marketing plan of some sort to delude Hispanics into voting against their rational self-interests.

Why not? Why should Hispanics be treated any differently than all other categories of American voters?

7/1/12, 4:37 PM

Anonymous Harry Baldwin said...

Are there many people voting who don't speak English? If so, why?

Good question? Aren't we assured that you have to be able to speak English before you can get citizenship? Isn't that one of the conditions that amnesty-pushers insist they will impose on aliens?

7/1/12, 5:02 PM

Anonymous irishman said...

I have lost all hope in the possibility that Mitt Romney is a human being.

I don't think I've ever seen a politician who is so out of touch with the world in my life. Waffling on about high skilled immigration! Who does he think he's fooling? He is just such a weakling.

7/1/12, 5:52 PM

Anonymous Vincent Whiteshadow said...

Our only hope for survival, short of Covintonism, is to force the GOP into the Sailer Strategy.

7/1/12, 6:12 PM

Anonymous FredR said...

"as admirers of the arts of trailer trickery"

I liked this analogy. I love movie trailers.

7/1/12, 6:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Latinos should donate more to politics.

7/1/12, 7:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obama 2012.

7/1/12, 8:23 PM

Anonymous Dad said...

"What goes unsaid eventually goes unthought."
Well said, and apparently unthought until now. Google shows this pithy nugget to be entirely original.

7/1/12, 9:00 PM

Anonymous Simon in London said...

"sophistication of the Latino population"

LOL.

The last point in the orginal article is the only good one. Non-Hispanics DO NOT LIKE seeing American presidential candidates pandering in an alien language. They want the pandering in English, the language of America.

The reason is simple - if you're pandering in an alien language, you're pandering to aliens, ergo you come across as an unpatriotic alien-lover. So why vote for you?

Obama needs a reasonable Hispanic turn-out, but not at the price of alienating black men from bothering to turn out and vote (black women will vote, regardless). Romney cannot win among Hispanics, and any attempt to do so would lower his crucial white vote; the best he can do is lower the Hispanic turnout by effectively ignoring them, which seems to be his strategy.

7/2/12, 12:54 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What goes unsaid eventually goes unthought."

Yes, but unfortunately the converse is not true.

Gilbert Pinfold.

7/2/12, 5:07 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doesn't the Mormon Church spend quite a bit on proselyting the Western Hemisphere south of the Rio Grande? You'd think they'd have some tricks up their sleeve they could lend a homeboy.

7/2/12, 7:01 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Romney had nuts he would tailor Spanish-language ads to the fears of the Hispanic community, implying Obama/Holder are soft on black urban crime: the beer summit, "if I had a son," the Black Panthers etc.

Obama 2012: 4 more years of flash mobs!

7/2/12, 7:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Translating from Spanish to English is quite possibly the easiest translation job on the planet. The idiomatic gap between the two languages is quite small. Don't trust anyone who tells you that Spanish/English translation needs expert, nuanced knowledge. Just look at that example: "Los cosas estan bien?" In English, "Things are good?" Or, "Are things okay?" Translating from English to German or French is a thousand times more difficult.

7/2/12, 8:04 AM

Anonymous NOTA said...

There is a difference between high priced hispanic ad consultants and having a competent translation done in your ads. It can't be that hard for him to get a native speaker to help him translate and rephrase his ads, and not doing so looks pretty dumb to me.

The line about things you can't say becoming thngs you can't think is very true. Even if you can privately think about them, any attempt to think clearly about them leaves you without a vocabulary and without the insights you get by having multiple people think things through.

Noam Chomsky made a nice point about this in a talk I saw awhile back, pointing out that the reason those political talking head shows can't explore any ideas in depth is that there isn't enough time to say anything not right in the middle of the mainstream. Imagine trying to explain hbd in that format--you'll still be trying to explain the difference between a distribution and an individual from that distaribution, or between means and outliers, or race as an extended partly-inbred family, when the show is over and the audience is convinced you wear a swastika on your arm and goose-step in your spare time.

7/2/12, 8:22 AM

Anonymous Beecher Asbury said...

Why is it that the Spanish editions of newspapers are not just translations of the main paper into Spanish? It would seem that the reason for the Spanish edition is to help non-natives keep up with local news and events. Yet when I viewed the Spanish editions of the Miami Herald [English, Spanish] and Arizona Republic [English, Spanish], it appears they are completely different in language and content.

Why is this so? I think if more people knew about this, they'd really frown on this practice because it seems to me that it will lead to a distinct community within our midst that doesn't care about our culture, nor we theirs.

7/2/12, 9:41 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1japIhKU9I&feature=related

dorks

7/2/12, 10:10 AM

Anonymous Vinteuil said...

Seconding Dad - "What goes unsaid eventually goes unthought" is a brilliant aphorism. Lapidary, really.

7/2/12, 12:03 PM

Anonymous Nick B Steves said...

In other news, iSteve research suggests that both campaigns could benefit by purchasing full page adds on Steve Sailer's blog.

7/2/12, 12:41 PM

Anonymous NOTA said...

Nick:

Indeed, I think at the end of the campaign, the number of regular iSteve readers who plan to vote for Obama could well double or even triple!

7/2/12, 6:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am [at] least reassured to learn that he's trying to say the same thing in all languages."

7/2/12, 7:03 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

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rotfl

ebert follows my advice

7/3/12, 12:31 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Romney understands (however dimly) the drawbacks of even bringing it up. If he makes any pandering reference to Mexamericans, the left-agitprop major media will take it as a fresh chance bring up his polygamist grandfather from the old country, and the bitchier segments of the right [sort of like the "alternative right" except w/ actual numbers] will start jeering about amnesty -> Davos -> Pinch Sulzberger's girlfriend, etc. Although it's a loss for voters as well as the republic generally, more politically astute for him to give non-answers and treat the issue as non-existent.

7/3/12, 10:28 AM

Blogger Norville Rogers said...

"Nick B Steves said...
In other news, iSteve research suggests that both campaigns could benefit by purchasing full page adds on Steve Sailer's blog."

Do a search on "think thank." He already has a standing call to any reclusive Koch/Friess/Scaife billionaire to invest, say, low 6 figures in the blog. "Better ROI than your state school football team" is more or less in the tenor of the usual pitch.

7/3/12, 10:33 AM

Anonymous not the Facebook guy who bought The New Republic said...

Here's the classic on-behalf-of-my-colleague version:
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/10/more-bang-for-your-buck.html

And it often seems to tie in somehow with the name "Haim Saiban"--another handy query term

7/3/12, 10:40 AM

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