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"The economics of the Gulen cult's American charter schools"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like they learned a trick or two from the 'Scots-Irish' there.

Problem with Citizenism is that only European-Americans will play by the Citizenism rules, hope you have a 'Plan B' Steve.

Gordo

1/3/14, 12:27 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Byzantines paid off the vibrants and hired them for 'jobs Romans won't do' like Varangian guardsman and attacking Bulgaria or other neighbors.

They didn't see the vibrants as any real competition. They were busy rebelling and hiring mercenaries while losing at Manzikert. But hey, nobody can say the people who live in the former Roman empire aren't good Greek citizens. Nothing changed.

TWS

1/3/14, 12:35 PM

Anonymous peterike said...

Chinese historians of the future Chinese Colony Formerly Known as America will write wonderingly of how America let in every form of human parasite on earth at the expense of their own citizens, leading to their collapse and takeover by nationalistic Chinese.

Chinese children will be told frightening fairy tales of how inviting in the stranger -- in the form of a storybook wolf -- gets you eaten alive. It's Little Red Riding Hood in reverse.

"What great big teeth you have!"

"The better to eat you with, America."

"Oh well then, please come right in."

1/3/14, 12:38 PM

Anonymous Education Realist said...

I've written about charter schools being just another way for one particular group to game the system and bootstrap what they need with public dollars. It freaks me out that this isn't getting more coverage, but it's bumping into two different reform groups--reform right and neo-left--both of whom are pro-charters.

1/3/14, 12:45 PM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

It's like back in the 1990s when Bill Ayers got $100 million from the Annenbergs and made Barack Obama chairman. It didn't do anything for Chicago school children but it did a lot for the Obama brand name among left of center activists in Chicago whom the Obamas picked out for jobs and grants.

1/3/14, 1:05 PM

Anonymous Reg Cæsar said...

…Bill Ayers…made Barack Obama chairman…

I was able to trace Bill's Ayers line back about two centuries to a county in New Jersey just south of Woodbridge. That's the village the reprobate Jonathan Dunham ran off to when Massachusetts Bay got sick of him. One of the large founding families there was named Ayers.

Obama has no Ayers ancestry and we've still to connect Bill's to Woodbridge, but it's quite plausible Bill and Barry share Dunham or other colonial New Jersey blood. So this deal has the aroma of the Middle East about it.

Another fun factoid: living with Bill and Bernardine when Barry announced for the state senate was one Chesa Boudin, whose radical parents were in prison for an armed robbery and shootout. So the first black president's career begins in the home of a kid whose folks abetted the murder of a humble black cop. How fitting.

1/3/14, 1:30 PM

Anonymous countenance said...

Sailer writes:

If you read the comments in the New York Times, you can see why America is such a big fat target for random cults and mafias from around the world

I respond:

Ironic, huh? "Random cults" around the world are using America as nothing more than a business opportunity because too many (real) Americans have prostrated their minds to egalitarian ideological cults.

1/3/14, 1:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of your sentences was cut-off: "Taxpayer supported education is essentially a zero sum game fought out among those who _____"

1/3/14, 2:08 PM

Anonymous fnn said...

It's like back in the 1990s when Bill Ayers got $100 million from the Annenbergs and made Barack Obama chairman.

Sources of the Annenberg family fortune and how they became "Republicans." Hint: Al Capone was a "Republican." The GOP machine Capone founded ran Cicero, IL from the 1920s until about 10 years ago.

1/3/14, 2:15 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mix a Greek with a gypsy with a Jew with an Arab, and you have a Turk.

1/3/14, 2:38 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Problem with Citizenism is that only European-Americans will play by the Citizenism rules, hope you have a 'Plan B' Steve."

Not so. If ALL European-Americans came together for citizenism, they would gain the power and could IMPOSE it on others.
But half of European-Americans are Liberals. White community is divided. And even lots of conservatives are libertarian-addled fools.
Rand Paul is for amnesty now, and no conservative got the guts to even stand up for true marriage.

Just think Sheldon Adelson talks about nuking Iran and still gets to rake in billions and pass it around to whore politicians.
But a Christian-owned bakery must close down because it won't bake a cake for 'gay marriage'.

1/3/14, 2:41 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gulen schoolin'

1/3/14, 2:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"the racist Christianist Texans."

IMO There is no question that one reason this is happening in the South is basically Southern Baptists are irrational about Muslims.

"Sounds better than the normal public schools ruined by unions. (Texas doesn't actually have real teachers unions with collective bargaining rights.)"

The unions code into law various work rules and consumer regulations that force parents to consume a certain amount (days per year, hours per day) of education, taught in a certain way (with a union teacher). Once quality and quantity can be fixed, price can be fixed. After that the union stuff is mostly for show.

As to the Gulen system, why is it a scam if they provide a better service at the same price as other competitors? Don't like the Turkish Islam New Age whatever it is, don't send your kid? I am not seeing horror stories from disatisfied parents, why?

You want the Gulen people to disappear, eliminate the charter school system.

To many people the public school system is a cult:

The Messianic Character of American Education
by Rousas John Rushdoony

Read John Taylor Gatto to learn about the roots of the Anglo American school system in Hinduism.

Californian and unreconstructed Southerner, Zachariah Montgomery wrote endlessly about the new Yankee public school system. He was there to see the before and after of it all.

1/3/14, 2:52 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If you read the comments in the New York Times, you can see why America is such a big fat target for random cults and mafias from around the world."

It's been that way from the beginning. Puritans/Pilgrims came here cuz they were seen as a funny cult back home. And religious freedom led to all sorts of funny denominations, especially the Mormons. And there were Hare Krishna in the 60s and Moonies in the 70s. There's Scientology. Worst was Jim Jones cult.
David Koresh cult was crushed.
Didn't Heinlein or Clarke suggest to Hubbard that he should start a religion?
MLK is also a cult. Oprah is a cult. Gates wanna be a cult too, and he put a lot of money in education. Steve Jobs cult still lives.

Maybe Sailer ought to turn himself into a cult.
Saileristics will be the mystical study of the wisdom of Prophet Sorcerer Sailer.

The myth would go like this. Sailer was an abandoned baby in the woods, and his parents found him. No one knows where he really came from. He could be a space alien, the child of wolves, a vampire, a robot man, and etc.
So, we begin with the mysterious origins... like with Superman from the weird planet of Krypton that no longer exists.

Then one day, Sailer went camping and was struck by the truth in the form of a light that shone upon him from the clouds.

And then it finally dawned on him. One by one, the truths came to him, the first one being, 'blacks like to let the good times roll'.
And then, the rest followed. And of late, Sailer has discovered that Gulen is actually like the devil in The Exorcist, and we must all unite to fend our nation from such evil.

1/3/14, 2:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Free-lunch-masons creating a school of neo-Janissaries.

1/3/14, 3:04 PM

Blogger Gubbler of the Society of Reformed Chechenistics said...

During the Ottoman era, the Turkish rulers depended on Greek,Armenian, and Jewish talent to do much of the business and brainy stuff. Turks controlled the military and government. (Hungarians were like that too, depending much on Jews to handle much else).
And when Turkey needed to modernize, they hired Europeans to do much of the modernizing.

So, Turks have a long history of depending on non-Turks to get things done.

1/3/14, 3:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"In general, immigrants tend to develop these you scratch my back and I'll scratch your back business networks that freeze out Americans."

I don't see that as a problem as long as the immigrant group isn't big and powerful.
In the case of Gulen, it matters cuz he's taking tax payer money.

But if it's small private enterprise, who cares is Greek town restaurants hire Greeks and Polish towns hire Poles to cut the sausage? Such ethnic cohesion is what makes America interesting.

1/3/14, 3:11 PM

Anonymous Reg Cæsar said...

…of the Turquoise Council for Americans and Eurasians…

Show me the Chartreuse Council for Americans and Crusaders, and I'll sign right up.

1/3/14, 3:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And about 98% of that $200 million in bonds appears to have gone to Gulenist cult businesses, plus a very large fraction of the $100 million or so in annual operating costs. And that's just one state!
With public money in play, Texas law requires charter schools to award contracts to the bidder that offers the “best value.” Lowest is not necessarily best, with the schools given leeway. But the criteria for choosing the best bidder must be clear.
Last year, local contractors questioned the fairness of bidding on two Harmony renovation jobs in the Austin area. On one job, in the suburb of Pflugerville, the low bidder, at $1.17 million, was a well-known Texas company, Harvey-Cleary. The job went to Atlas Texas Construction and Trading, even though its bid was several hundred thousand dollars higher. Atlas, with offices in Texas and Turkey, shows up on a list of Gulen-affiliated companies in a 2006 cable from the American Consul General in Istanbul, Deborah K. Jones, that was released by WikiLeaks.
A vice president of Harvey-Cleary said Harmony never explained its decision.
The same day Atlas won the Pflugerville contract, it got a job at another Austin-area Harmony school, even though four bidders came in lower."


These contracts are really subsidies to incompetent "contractors/businesses". These "contractors" would not be able to survive in a real low bid environment or an objective "best value" environment if it wasn't for corrupt ethnic nepotism.

I would assume that the non-turkish bidders are bidding lower due to a combination of cheap mexican immigrant labor and budgeting their bids competitively.

In NJ, all school construction work is done by union members, you can't build, renovate, repair, let alone step into a school building if you are not a union member. This does a few things, almost no immigrant or illegal labor, along with these contractors and their workers being predominantly white. Downside is the excessive prevailing wages but, at least its money that stays in the white communities.

It would be interesting to see what would happen in texas if these contracts were forced to use union labor and prevailing wages. The contracts would bloat so high that any excess surplus that the current turks are making would disappear and be transferred to union member wages, as the bids would all be forced to reach a minimum reserve for prevailing wages. Ultimately the prices would be so high that a majority of the grant from the state would be spent on wages instead of being skimmed by the turks through ethnic nepotism.

To a certain degree the grant is a sunk cost. How do you split it up. Potentially white construction union members taking a good portion of the grant or turks using ethnic nepotism to transfer excess surplus from texans to themselves.

P.S. Also the NYT commenters may not be that stupid, they have been able to identify that many of the comments are actually false comments posted by the gulenist to dilute and divert attention. Another technique learned from the israelis who use young people to post pro-israel comments in internet debates. Heck, the online gulenists commentators are even identifying themselves as "hispanic-americans", hahahaha.





1/3/14, 3:18 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what consulting contracts the winning bidders pay to whom.

It's not even plausible that Gulenists would be sophisticated enough to exploit such a market without uncle Ruslan style help.

1/3/14, 3:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You aint Gulen!

1/3/14, 3:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only God Forgives. A trash zen or pulp zen movie. Refn looks like a turtle without a shell. His movies are all hard shell and no heart. Maybe it's compensation.

1/3/14, 3:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In general, immigrants tend to develop these you scratch my back and I'll scratch your back business networks that freeze out Americans.

Yes, I'm finding this happening more frequently in other venues, e.g. professional organizations. Immigrants use "democracy" to take control of committees and freeze out others outside their particular ethnic group.

1/3/14, 3:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I'm finding this happening more frequently in other venues, e.g. professional organizations. Immigrants use "democracy" to take control of committees and freeze out others outside their particular ethnic group.

Kinda like Irish police and fire departments? Or something else?

1/3/14, 4:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How to turn every kid into a chess grand master. Give him a $1000 chess set made of ivory and gold.

If you learn to play with those cheapie plastic sets from Kmart, you won't get very far.

Ipads and fancy chess sets for everyone.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/12-year-old-brooklyn-chess-champ-eyes-bold-move-youngest-grandmaster-article-1.127263

1/3/14, 6:15 PM

Anonymous SFG said...

"It is a common saying and likely has some basis in fact - that it takes the wit of four Turks to overreach one Frank; two Franks to cheat one Greek; two Greeks to cheat one Jew; and six Jews to cheat one Armenian."

I imagine you guys would put the Jews at the top, but I think we're slipping.

Amusingly, the Armenians were one of the few *other* groups to get, ah, genocided...

1/3/14, 6:18 PM

Anonymous Reg Cæsar said...

Refn looks like a turtle without a shell.

Steve said the same about Maggie Gyllenhaal. Don't know who "Refn" is, but the two Turts should get together-- she has the spare vowel he desperately needs.

In NJ, all school construction work is done by union members, you can't build, renovate, repair, let alone step into a school building if you are not a union member.

I'd like to find out which NJ school union "represented" poor Viki Knox. No, she wasn't white, but she was right, and she was railroaded out of a job by her (mostly white?) school board.

In the news stories I read, there was no mention of her union, let alone any evidence they lifted a finger to help save her career.

1/3/14, 9:01 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Gulenists should come to California. They could do a much better job than the LAUSD or the Oakland school district. Regardless of their nationality, at least they keep an orderly house and don't tolerate violence. Better their cult than the PC cult.

1/3/14, 9:28 PM

Anonymous Auntie Analogue said...


Nikita Kruschev's prophecy that "We will bury you!" was premature. Only now are we seeing how our Dear Rulers gratify their globalist campaign donors by selling to ill-intentioned foreigners what remains of what used to be our country.

1/3/14, 9:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the Moonies? They're still around and their membership is pretty diverse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYE0ULaR768

1/3/14, 9:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Nikita Kruschev's prophecy that "We will bury you!" was premature."

Now the West says 'we will bugger you.'

1/3/14, 10:41 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It is a common saying and likely has some basis in fact - that it takes the wit of four Turks to overreach one Frank; two Franks to cheat one Greek; two Greeks to cheat one Jew; and six Jews to cheat one Armenian."

One of the funniest things I heard was some time after a Greek friend recommended a Greek lawyer to a Jewish friend. The latter looked at the legal bill and gasped 'Greeks are worse than the Jews.'

1/3/14, 10:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

>> charter schools being just another way for one particular group to game the system and bootstrap what they need with public dollars.

And what exactly is wrong with this game?

Does it "freak you out" that tax money is spent to fund Coooperative Extension Agents to teach upper-middle-class matrons, how grow more beautiful gardens?

What exactly is the difference?

1/4/14, 5:26 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

>> Another technique learned from the israelis who use young people to post pro-israel comments in internet debates


oh, us horrible israelis. Getting our own ethnical kids to pay more attention to our group future than to whether Miley Cyrus is gonna flunk out of re-hab before Justin Beiber does.

Oh, the humanity of it!

1/4/14, 5:35 AM

Anonymous thirdtwin said...

We got rid of a Gulen Charter HS two years ago. Steve just scratched the surface. Do not let your city deal with these people, or issue bonds for their enterprises.

http://gulencharterschools.weebly.com/

They will co-opt your local media and swarm comment sections. I would not be surprised if some of them show up here.

1/4/14, 6:46 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before Gulenist threat there was the Catholic threat.

The movement focused on the public's fear of immigrants and the need to Americanize; it had anti-Catholic overtones and found support from groups like the Ku Klux Klan.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_public_education_in_the_USA

One thing not often recognized is the 2nd Klan (1915-1944) was a nativist, anti Catholic, feminist, anti war, zionist organization. It held Jews in high regard and as Jim Crow was settled law it showed very little interest in Blacks.

1/4/14, 7:29 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't get it. You write like this is all some kind of big scam, but it seems to me that this only works if you are actually able to open and operate schools that parents prefer to the regular public schools.

1/4/14, 9:40 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the commenter above claiming "why no parents are complaining about the Gulen operated schools" well they are, and so are the American teachers fired to make way for h1-b Visa uncredentialed Male Turks. The Gulen Movement delibrately targets high minority low social economic neighborhoods for their schools. No offense, most of the parents are not sophisticaed enough to have a critical mind. They see awards, trips and those fancy Turkish Olympiads for their kids. They also love the Turkish cooking classes some of the schools teach, not to mention the fact the schools lie about 100% acceptance to college. Lastly, the Gulen Movement has been under FBI investigations for about 4 years. The FBI RAIDED their school in Louisana on December 11, 2013 and it is linked to the Turquoise Council's Kemal Oksuz, who made one of the largest political contributions $$ to the Repulican National Party of Louisana. The Gulen Movement, hopefully will soon be out of the USA education and politics, there is a big controversy brewing in Illinois with Madigan and the Gulen Concept Schools. http://www.gulenpoliticians.blogspt.com

1/4/14, 12:25 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the commenter that mentioned the "Gulenists should come to California" well they have, they have been denied many schools and in fact just closed their school in Orangevale, CA Pacific Technology School. here is a blog about their California operation. I understand the Armenian Christians are very affluential in California politics, I doubt if the Gulen Movement from what I hear has much of a chance with them or the Greeks. Didn't they have an Armenian Governor of California awhiile back? Governor Dukemajian? http://www.magnoliascienceacademy.blogspot.com

1/4/14, 12:28 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sarah Silverman is a young Jewess and she was born into and raised in privilege and she got the red carpet treatment all her life despite her insults toward other groups. And yet, she is no less nasty than Belfort. Jews are like that because they generally have higher intelligence, and this makes them feel superior to dumb goyim. Also, as Jews worked as haggling middlemen and judgmental rabbis for 1000s of yrs, the personality traits that came to be selected among Jews tended to be pushy, aggressive, and contemptuous.

Jews have had the same reputation in North Africa, MIddle East, Europe, and America. Jews were nasty and pushy long before they met up with bluebloods. No matter where they went and settled, they came to be seen by others in the same way. Of course, as Jews control all the media in the US, they've brainwashed us into seeing them as the most wonderful people, and Americans are total philosemites. But no matter how much they are loved and adored by Americans of all stripes, Jewish nastiness continues just the same.

It's damned if you do, damned if you do. If you are hostile toward Jews, Jews resent you for your suspicions. If you loving toward Jews, Jews hold you in contempt as easy suckers to fleece. By the way, if Jews were angry with bluebloods, why did they go out of their way to cheat blacks, ethnic whites, Asians, and Arabs too? Every group remembers being badly fleeced by Jews. How much longer are Jews gonna blame all their nastiness on OTHER people?

1/4/14, 1:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This 'blueblood' made me do it so lame. After all, there are lots of nasty Jewish gangsters, thugs, and cheaters in Israel where everything is owned and controlled by Jews. There are no bluebloods there to piss Jews off. If anything, Americans go out of their ways to accommodate Jews over there, and AIPAC is the most powerful lobby in America. So, how come so many Israeli Jews act so nasty and obnoxious?
Will Jews ever take responsibility for their bad behavior or will they always spin it as a reaction to wrongs done by others? The film CASINO JACK would have us believe that, as nasty as the Jewish guy was, he was motivated by the fact that white Christian Republicans didn't treat him as an equal. What baloney.

1/4/14, 1:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Amusingly, the Armenians were one of the few *other* groups to get, ah, genocided..."

The Armenian genocide was instigated by the donmeh caste - who were also responsible for the large scale displacement of Greeks from Turkey part of the ongoing cleansing of Greeks and Armenians from the near east which has been going on for a 1000 years or so with Arab and Turkish invasions and is now in its last stages with the final cleansing of Christians.

If you look at it it's very easy to see most of the history of the eastern med and a large part of the history of the western med also as side-effects of an ongoing battle between eastern med mercantile groups: Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Syrians, Phoenicians, Egyptians and Persians.

1/4/14, 1:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It is a common saying and likely has some basis in fact - that it takes the wit of four Turks to overreach one Frank; two Franks to cheat one Greek; two Greeks to cheat one Jew; and six Jews to cheat one Armenian."

Funny, I googled that saying and another source places Jews at the apex of the immunity to cheating tree. I did also find a source for the Armenian apexed version though.

While perhaps a useful heuristic and a catchy way of ordering things, methinks that in general, throwing more of a lesser cheating ethnicity at the problem will not result in a successful cheating.

1/4/14, 2:07 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before Gulenist threat there was the Catholic threat.

Sounds like you think all threats are non-threats? How do you tell when a real threat appears? Are there such things? What happens if the whole world knows you don't believe in threats?

1/4/14, 5:14 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Armenian genocide was instigated by the donmeh caste - who were also responsible for the large scale displacement of Greeks from Turkey part of the ongoing cleansing of Greeks and Armenians from the near east which has been going on for a 1000 years or so with Arab and Turkish invasions and is now in its last stages with the final cleansing of Christians."

To be fair to Turks, Armenians sided with Russia, and if Armenian-Russian power bloc wasn't checked, Turkey could have lost a huge chunk of territory.
Also, the violence between Turks and Greeks went both ways. Greeks killed bushels of Turks and vice versa.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2419/was-andrew-jackson-one-of-the-worlds-most-prolific-mass-murderers

"For example, the United States military killed an estimated 300,000 during the subjugation of the Philippines, 1898-1902."

And speaking of 'genocide', American war in the Philippines killed A LOT of people, and Americans didn't even face an 'existential crisis' like Turks did following their defeat in WWI.
And American bombing in some wars killed so many civilians that it was like metrocide if not genocide.

And look what US policy did in Iraq in the 90s. Sanctions may have killed over 100,000 women and children.

So, Turkish actions, though vile and cruel, have to seen in context--just as we do for American actions.

1/5/14, 6:30 AM

Anonymous Lew said...

Such dishonesty in these comments. Why so anti-white folks? You people know damn well that if white folks attempted to organize around ethnicity and pursue this approach, those white folks would come under immediate attack by the white liberal and Jewish elites.

But there is an upside to seeing these cliches posted over and over again. Whenever you see anti-whites justifying harm to white folks with cliches like "the Irish did it" or "they said that about the Catholics" as if those things are relevant in 2014, it's proof Steve is saying subversive stuff that is true.

1/5/14, 9:20 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need more Gulen involvement in the schools, not less.

Those who complain about them are just whiny unionized teachers who are threatened by non-PC education.

Their beliefs form no threat to US society. The PC that has infected public education via Frankfurt School influence is a major threat to US society.

1/5/14, 8:07 PM

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