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"In D.C., blacks imprisoned 56X whites"

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Anonymous MC said...

Sometimes I find it impossible to believe that Steve Sailer worked for a major wire service within my adult lifetime.

7/16/13, 2:41 PM

Blogger James Thompson said...

Hard to judge without looking at fluctuations in the white imprisonment rate

7/16/13, 2:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blacks tend to aggregate in liberal earning states which coincidentally are the worst states to commit crime in terms of punishment severity and # of police relative to population. if the gangbangers in CA & NY were smart they would move to the midwest or NW

7/16/13, 2:45 PM

Anonymous Gene Berman said...

The matter of the disproportionate
rates of imprisonment in liberal vs. conservative states is completely explained in one of
LaGriffe's essays--toward the end of the bunch.

Incidentally, the same rationale is explicative of the difficulties encountered in the public-schools' disciplinary policies provoking widespread outrage of supposedly differential treatment of black vs. other students.

7/16/13, 2:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

John's Creek in Georgia is a wealthy suburb with a lot of Asians more so than blacks. It was the only city in Georgia in the low crime list. Plano and Sugarland will show up but both don't have high black populations or Hispanics populations and are different from the large cities in Texas. Its like Irvine and Mission Viejo in California that show up for the low crime cities, almost no blacks and Hispanic populations under 20.

7/16/13, 2:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"In contrast, some of the data undermine common myths. Besides polishing the tarnished image of New Jersey's whites, the numbers also reveal the surprising news that politically liberal states, not conservative ones, are likely to have the largest gap between the imprisonment rates of blacks and whites."

The ineptitude of liberals at their own recommended practice of CrimeStop is news only to you,pal.

7/16/13, 2:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

La Griffe du Lion explained all this in 2006. I believe he wrote his essay in response to your column. Anyway, I think you should give him some recognition. His explanation of threshold effects is an enormously useful way of thinking about things like this.

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm

7/16/13, 2:59 PM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

Not that major.

7/16/13, 3:12 PM

Anonymous Traveller said...

Well that long analysis means just that blacks commit always the worst crimes.

Actually I read it a bit quickly but it seems some key factors were left out.

1 Blacks got caught because they are (oh my) profiled. Ie justice is not ubiquitous.

2 Maybe for the same crime a black is jailed and a white not.

But since that report was so old maybe these things are addressed.

Just think to genders and not races, men are incredibly more jailed than women for the identical actions, the law targets specifically males, and so on.

7/16/13, 3:59 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Consider that Job Corzine isn't going to see any prison time and then consider the various ways that well-connected white people might stay out of prison without necessarily being law-abiding.

7/16/13, 5:11 PM

Blogger DR said...

Scotch-Irish tend to be a lot more criminal than other whites. They also tend to disproportionately live in Oklahoma, Mississippi, West Virginia, Alaska and other high white-crime states. Not many Scotch-Irish live in New Jersey, Maine, Minnesota or or DC.

Case closed.

7/16/13, 6:03 PM

Anonymous Zoink said...

"non-Hispanic whites comprised 34.8 percent of the prisoners, African-Americans 46.9 percent, Hispanics 16.0 percent."

Despite this 2:1 ratio in prison, among the general population NS whites outnumber hispanics by 4:1.

How does this square with RKU's theory hispanic crime is the same level as whites? Why are they imprisoned at twice the rate? Shouldn't their imprisonment rate be considerably lower since many are denied entry because of a criminal past, or expelled after committing a crime, and others still have only been here for a short time?

7/16/13, 7:14 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Steve is basically saying that the Black-White incarceration ratio says more about White people than it does about Black people. It seems that Black Americans, no matter which state they live in, are as criminal or more criminal than their White peers. However, there is a huge spectrum in the behaviour of White Americans depending on state. DC/Tri State Area/New England White Americans are the most SWPL and most well behaved. On the other hand, Deep South/Appalachia/Far West (excluding Utah) White Americans are almost as insufferable as Black Americans. My conclusion is that even if all Black people disappeared from the United States tomorrow, we would still have a huge contingent of criminally inclined people...they would just be White instead of Black. Goddamnit I hate prole Whites.

7/16/13, 8:01 PM

Blogger David Davenport said...

On the other hand, Deep South/Appalachia/Far West (excluding Utah) White Americans are almost as insufferable as Black Americans.

You're a quotation-marks-in-the-air Scots-Irishman, aren't you?

7/16/13, 8:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

David, I am not a Scots-Irishman. I am a proud SWPL. My family is the epitome of East Coast UMC and I love it. I don't care to bash Blacks/Hispanics because they don't live near me and they couldn't afford to if they tried. However, prole Whites, who live in some towns adjacent to my own, are just despicable because I have to drive through their neighbourhoods to go shopping, to get into the city, etc. Furthermore, I occasionally have to deal with them on a personal level. Their stupidity, vapid topics of conversation, and depressing life histories disgust me.

7/17/13, 7:15 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"if the gangbangers in CA & NY were smart they would move to the midwest or NW" - They commit crimes in places that a)have money, and b)don't have pissed off and armed crackers.

7/17/13, 8:26 AM

Blogger David Davenport said...

Did Abolitionist Hatred of the South Cause the Civil War?

A Conversation with Thomas Fleming, historian and author of A Disease in the Public Mind: A New Understanding of Why We Fought the Civil War.

by DAVID FORSMARK July 5, 2013

FORSMARK: Slavery was basically ended in the Western World in the 19th Century. It was a worldwide practice and there were vested interests involved everywhere. Why was the United States the only country in the world that fought a civil war to end slavery?

FLEMING: That’s the question that made me write this book. All the countries of South America, even Brazil, which had three million slaves – almost as many as America’s four million – ended the evil institution peacefully. The British freed almost a million slaves in the West Indies without bloodshed. Revolutionary France ended slavery in their colonies with a decree from Paris.

FORSMARK: So why did the United States have to do in in a way that killed a million young men?

FLEMING: Because both North and South suffered from diseases in the public mind. I came upon the phrase while writing an article about John Brown’s 1859 raid on Harpers Ferry, Virginia. At that point, most of my history books had been about the era of the American Revolution. Brown was new historical territory for me. I was startled to discover that this greybearded 59 year old planned to take command of an army of slaves equipped with the 100,000 rifles in the federal arsenal at “the Ferry,” as the town was called. In Brown’s luggage were carefully drawn maps identifying the counties of the South where blacks outnumbered whites. These were his targets.

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FLEMING: The best people of the North showered praise on a fanatic who believed that “without the emission of blood, there is no forgiveness for sin.” In Kansas a few years earlier, Brown had murdered six unarmed southerners before the horrified eyes of their wives and children, and ordered his sons to hack up their bodies with swords.

After Brown’s execution, America’s best-known writer, Ralph Waldo Emerson, declared him the equal of Jesus Christ. Another Massachusetts man told Emerson that compared to John Brown, Christ was a “dead failure.” He had ignored three decades of northern prayers begging him to end slavery.
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FORSMARK: Some of the Abolitionists openly expressed contempt for the blacks their crusade was supposed to be designed to help. Was slavery really the whole story in the full out hatred of the South, or was something else at work in a particular corner of the Yankee mind?

FLEMING: Here we get into the peculiarities of the New England mind. They had a natural tendency to look down on the rest of the country. They saw themselves as the real founders, and were infuriated that the leadership had passed to Jefferson and other southern president. Jefferson’s embargo, which was an economic disaster for New England, was the trigger that made them see the South as enemies. Then they focused on the South’s moral flaw — the continuance — and the growth — of slavery, and the two arguments fused into Abolitionism, a creed proclaimed in their souls by God.

In Britain, one of the ways the situation was diffused was to compensate the slaveholders. Reasonable voices—Abraham Lincoln for example—proposed that here, but the Abolitionists in Congress never backed his bill. The abolitionists’ goal was not persuasion of southerners. It was to shame them into submission, confess their guilt and free the slaves.
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7/17/13, 8:57 PM

Anonymous Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

Goddamnit I hate prole Whites."

They probably hate you too. So probably would I.

7/20/13, 12:35 PM

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