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"Contra Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs, and Steel""

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I liked "Guns, Germs and Steel" very much. I thought the over the top fawning over his aboriginal friend was a bit much, though. It definitely seemed at odds with the fact that, in order to domesticate and manage livestock, one must be more intelligent that the peoples who have no such duties. It beggars belief that an aboriginal group, with essentially nothing to its name other than its physical capabilities, would be more intelligent than those who captured and domesticated animals over the long haul.

5/10/14, 4:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, really liked his hypotheses that writing was originally developed to make enslaving people easier (only the master class wrote things down) and that all governments are essentially kleptocracies.

5/10/14, 4:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Diamond's book was an anti-White marketing effort motivated by Scots Irish fear and loathing of the accomplishments of European men.

5/10/14, 4:53 PM

Anonymous Dan said...

What about beauty?

This is something these scientists overlook. European culture is vastly more elegant and beautiful. If something is beautiful it is useful forever.

5/10/14, 4:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In other words, you had to run faster to get away from the baboons and hyenas.

5/10/14, 4:58 PM

Anonymous Dan said...

Pro sports requires a settled white population with a surplus of wealth.

5/10/14, 4:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The story of the meeting between Sailer and Diamond kills me. They got to talking but Sailer said something and Diamond freaked out and rushed out acting like this.

5/10/14, 5:13 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dan:"What about beauty?

This is something these scientists overlook. European culture is vastly more elegant and beautiful. If something is beautiful it is useful forever."

I always though that beauty was defined by its fundamental lack of usefulness...

5/10/14, 5:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous:"Diamond's book was an anti-White marketing effort motivated by Scots Irish"

Another little boy who lacks the manhood to say Jew.


Anonymous:" fear and loathing of the accomplishments of European men."

Does that include Europeans like Einstein, Spinoza, Ricardo, etc?

5/10/14, 5:47 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous:"Diamond's book was an anti-White marketing effort motivated by Scots Irish"

Another little boy who lacks the manhood to say Jew.

That one really hit home, didn't it. You are so frustrated aren't you that the Internet affords us an opportunity to speak that you cannot control? Fear and loathing.

Anonymous:" fear and loathing of the accomplishments of European men."

Does that include Europeans like Einstein, Spinoza, Ricardo, etc?.

Why don't you write him and see whether he would smear their accomplishments as attributable to "guns," "germs," or "steel"?

For what it's worth, Spinoza was a Christian, Einstein and agnostic. All three were of European descent and were formed in European culture.

5/10/14, 7:27 PM

Blogger Whiskey said...

Generally the more beautiful something is the more useful. Examples, the fountain pen typewriter.

5/10/14, 7:32 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous:" fear and loathing of the accomplishments of European men."

Does that include Europeans like Einstein, Spinoza, Ricardo, etc?


There you go revealing the same insecurities that Diamond harbors. And the same desire to minimize European accomplishment.

5/10/14, 7:53 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just remember that, whatever it is, it's all about the Jews. At least according to them. And they can go on about it, it almost seems a profession.

5/10/14, 8:01 PM

Anonymous ben tillman said...

I didn't realize you made this point so long ago. I've been saying the same thing for years.

Diamond’s thesis stated at page 25 of Guns, Germs & Steel:

Authors are regularly asked by journalists to summarize a long book in one sentence. For this book, here is such a sentence: ‘History followed different courses for different peoples because of differences among peoples’ environments, not because of biological differences among peoples themselves.”

The rather obvious hole in this thesis is that environmental differences produce biological differences.

5/10/14, 9:25 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are limits to natural selection based on environment. Do white people shrivel up and die when they leave cold places and live in warm tropical ones? Do black people curl up and die when they go to live in, say, Detroit? That visible and physiological changes in humans (like skin color, epicanthic folds, lactose tolerance, disease resistance) were triggered by environments seems indisputable but it is a stretch to posit that behavioral characteristics fall into the same category. People learn to think and behave the way people around them do, and based on what they have been taught in their early years, and that characteristic seems to be true of all Homo Sapiens. All human beings have shown the capacity to master their immediate environments, and babies adopted by different cultures grow up like their peers and show no maladaptation to their local environments.

5/11/14, 2:49 AM

Blogger europeasant said...

Jared Diamond has many followers. One appears to be Carl Hoffman the author of "Savage Harvest" "a tale of cannibals, colonialism and Michael Rockefellers's tragic quest for primitive art". This story takes place in New Guinea and is about the investigation into the dissapearance of Michael whose last whereabouts were among the native Asmat people, a stone age group probably much similar to the people Jared hung around with.
The show stopper for me in this book was on page 39 "Pip and his jeu weren't savages, however but complex, biologically modern men with all the brain power and manual dexterity necessary to fly a 747'

5/11/14, 8:29 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Diamond's book was an anti-White marketing effort motivated by Scots Irish fear and loathing of the accomplishments of European men."

Important not to throw the baby out with the bath water though.

Some of the ideas e.g. agriculture starting in the places most suited to agriculture starting, are worth stating the obvious over also the (related) point that it is easier for a crop suited to a particular latitude to spread east-west then north-south.

It is true - it seems to me - that both the Tropics and the far north had regional hurdles to overcome before they could get into the civilization game. Conceding that point doesn't invalidate there being a latitude cline in IQ.

5/11/14, 11:03 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous:" fear and loathing of the accomplishments of European men."

Does that include Europeans like Einstein, Spinoza, Ricardo, etc?

Anonymous:"There you go revealing the same insecurities that Diamond harbors. And the same desire to minimize European accomplishment."

How does citing the accomplishments of Europeans like Einstein and Spinoza "minimize European accomplishment?"

5/11/14, 11:39 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...



anonymous:"That one really hit home, didn't it. You are so frustrated aren't you that the Internet affords us an opportunity to speak that you cannot control? Fear and loathing."

On the contrary. I simply prefer candour. When one means "Jew," say "Jew." Don't use infantile euphemisms like "Scots-Irish."



Anonymous:"Why don't you write him and see whether he would smear their accomplishments as attributable to "guns," "germs," or "steel"?

Seeing as how Diamond attributes everything to geography, isn't he "smearing" everybody: India, China, the Middle East, etc ?

Anonymous:"For what it's worth, Spinoza was a Christian,"

Actually, after he was excommunicated by the Jewish community in Amsterdam, Spinoza refused to affiliate himself with any faith.

Anonymous:"Einstein and agnostic. All three were of European descent and were formed in European culture."

Well, yes. That's my point. all three men were Europeans.

5/11/14, 11:49 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Considering that the threat of expulsion from the community hovers over the head of Mr Wade (we don't know yet if he has managed to avoid the odium theologicum), it might be useful to read the official record of Spinoza's excommunication from the Jewish community in Amsterdam:

"The Lords of the ma'amad, having long known of the evil opinions and acts of Baruch de Espinoza, have endeavored by various means and promises, to turn him from his evil ways. But having failed to make him mend his wicked ways, and, on the contrary, daily receiving more and more serious information about the abominable heresies which he practiced and taught and about his monstrous deeds, and having for this numerous trustworthy witnesses who have deposed and born witness to this effect in the presence of the said Espinoza, they became convinced of the truth of the matter; and after all of this has been investigated in the presence of the honorable chachamin, they have decided, with their consent, that the said Espinoza should be excommunicated and expelled from the people of Israel. By the decree of the angels, and by the command of the holy men, we excommunicate, expel, curse and damn Baruch de Espinoza, with the consent of God, Blessed be He, and with the consent of all the Holy Congregation, in front of these holy Scrolls with the six-hundred-and-thirteen precepts which are written therein, with the excommunication with which Joshua banned Jericho, with the curse with which Elisha cursed the boys, and with all the curses which are written in the Book of the Law. Cursed be he by day and cursed be he by night; cursed be he when he lies down, and cursed be he when he rises up; cursed be he when he goes out, and cursed be he when he comes in. The Lord will not spare him; the anger and wrath of the Lord will rage against this man, and bring upon him all the curses which are written in this book, and the Lord will blot out his name from under heaven, and the Lord will separate him to his injury from all the tribes of Israel with all the curses of the covenant, which are written in the Book of the Law. But you who cleave unto the Lord God are all alive this day. We order that no one should communicate with him orally or in writing, or show him any favor, or stay with him under the same roof, or within four ells of him, or read anything composed or written by him."

5/11/14, 12:01 PM

Anonymous Mr. Anon said...

If you don't believe in Darwinism, then you are an ignorant hick......and probably a racist too.

If you believe in Darwinism too much, then you are a racist.......and probbaly an ignorant hick too.

5/11/14, 1:03 PM

Anonymous Mr. Anon said...

"ben tillman said...

The rather obvious hole in this thesis is that environmental differences produce biological differences."

Your mistake is that you are treating evolution as if it is a scientific theory, with assumptions and consequences - a means for explaining the natural world.

Whereas, for the so-called "reality-based" people who claim to believe it so whole-heartedly, it is a cudgel for beating one's enemies. It is the hyphen between who-whom.

5/11/14, 1:09 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous:"Just remember that, whatever it is, it's all about the Jews. At least according to them. And they can go on about it, it almost seems a profession."

Well, there is the old joke about an Englishman, a Frenchman, and a Jew being told to write a book about elephants. The Englishman writes HOW TO SHOOT AN ELEPHANT. The Frenchman writes THE SEX LIFE OF THE ELEPHANT. And the Jew writes THE ELEPHANT AND THE JEWISH PROBLEM.

5/11/14, 2:22 PM

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