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"National Standards in Education"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like I said, white students should purposely fail all state administered tests to avoid persecution in the name of "closing the gap." If the Federal Government can't reliably measure a gap then it has no rationale for busing smart kids in the suburbs to Unified Ghetto High in a nearby urban center. Then the Department of Education would have to come up with some retinal scan method to measure kids cognitive ability, which would finally put the lie to the claim that the NAM/white achievement gap = white racism.

3/15/10, 4:25 PM

Anonymous ASDF said...

I am 27. I went to elementary and high school with upper middle class whites and asians. We didn't even learn basic algebra until grade 8, and it worked out just fine. There is no way that normal Americans, be they black, brown, or working class whites, can master "proportional relationships, operations with rational numbers and solutions for linear equations. " I don't even know what those are...

3/15/10, 4:33 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The new proposals could transform......."


Anybody else heard that phrase before?

3/15/10, 5:39 PM

Anonymous Enoch Powell Was Right said...

More standards? I don't know about anyone else but watching Arne Duncan's P.R. stunt at the Edmund Pettus Bridge makes we want to scream til my throat bleeds and the neighbors call the cops on me. Why doesn't he "race to the top" of the nearest tall building and jump off?

3/15/10, 7:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

white students should purposely fail all state administered tests to avoid persecution in the name of "closing the gap"

I wonder why students would put much effort into any test that doesn't affect their grades, graduation, or college admissions. Really, what's in it for them?

3/15/10, 7:34 PM

Anonymous rightsaidfred said...

But what do you do with 7th graders who aren't smart enough to meet the standards?

Leave them in the 7th grade until they pass or retire. Womb to the tomb, baby.

3/15/10, 7:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leave them in the 7th grade until they pass or retire.

I think that's called "reality".

[Unless maybe your point is that 7th Graders aren't allowed to possess AFDC/WIC/Section 8 direct-deposit debit cards?]

3/15/10, 8:47 PM

Anonymous Melykin said...

ASDF said
"There is no way that normal Americans, be they black, brown, or working class whites, can master "proportional relationships, operations with rational numbers and solutions for linear equations. " I don't even know what those are..."
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I bet you do.

Proportional relationships:
1:3 = 2:6

Operations with rational numbers:
1/3 + 1/2 = 2/6 + 3/6 = 5/6

Solutions of linear equations:
2x - 7 = 5 --> 2x = 5 + 7 -->
2x = 12 --> x = 12/2 --> x = 6

3/15/10, 9:25 PM

Blogger silly girl said...

"I wonder why students would put much effort into any test that doesn't affect their grades, graduation, or college admissions. Really, what's in it for them?"


The tests are often used as promotion standards.

If the student doesn't achieve a minimum score, he is not promoted to the next grade and must attend summer school or repeat the grade. That is a bigger deal to most students than grades.

3/16/10, 8:00 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That comment about the size of the texts is so spot-on. When I was a kid I brought home 3 or 4 reasonably light hardbound books and had no problems. My kids books way about 30 lbs per student and I personally think they would have serious back problems if they brought each book to and from school each day.

ridiculous.

3/16/10, 8:18 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The son of a lady I worked with treated a state test that way.

The school suspended him.

Kent

3/16/10, 10:29 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The most academically distinguished town in Britain is Oxford. Cambridge, as an Oxonian friend once told me, is second in all things except for treason (Blunt, Philby, Burgess, Maclean, Cairncross, ands Straight were all at Cambridge).

3/16/10, 10:56 AM

Blogger Eric said...

This was my take on the whole standards fad. The implication is you're going to do something meaningful when students don't meet standards, but of course that's not going to happen in the real world.

What they should do is not allow students to go on to the next grade unless they've mastered the material. At least the kids who are trying to learn wouldn't be held back by the kids just marking time until they can legally drop out.

3/16/10, 1:09 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As far as keeping kids back till they master the subjects, I'm not sure that the government's solution to blending a class with normal seven year olds and a group of six footers still trying to learn to read is going to work real well.

Kent

3/16/10, 2:09 PM

Blogger e said...

Why not offer, say, an inexpensive daycare service for all children ages 4-12, plus 100 hours of instruction in basic math and reading? You could have more athletic daycare centers for more energetic kids, and more space/alone time for more responsible ones.

Smart poor kids would need some trusted test of their ability, at maybe age five, six or seven, which would sort them and send them to a more intellectually stimulating environment.

Also, why not give tax credits to homeschooling families, for relieving the system of over $19,000 in yearly expenses? Seems reasonable to me.

3/17/10, 11:12 AM

Anonymous Curvaceous Carbon-based Life Form said...

"My kids books way about 30 lbs per student"

And at least half that weight is pictures of "diversity." Generally a girl doing something boys like (driving a backhoe or something) or a black boy at the blackboard solving linear equations.

3/17/10, 4:30 PM

Blogger Ronduck said...

And why shouldn't Massachusetts have higher standards than West Virginia? Massachusetts has been the academic capital of America since the 1600s.

That is one of the best arguments I've seen in print for Al-Qaeda to be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons.

3/17/10, 4:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the student doesn't achieve a minimum score, he is not promoted to the next grade and must attend summer school or repeat the grade. That is a bigger deal to most students than grades.

Then that would fall under the category of affecting graduation.

When I was in junior high we took various state tests that purportedly measured our mastery of math, history, biology, etc. But since it had no affect on our grades, graduation, or college admissions, nobody bothered to do his best on them. I wouldn't say we deliberately screwed them up, but why sweat something that has no consequences for you?

3/18/10, 6:51 AM

Blogger David said...

> we just put our fingers in our ears and close our eyes and assume everybody is equal in intelligence <

But this is America, Steve. Here, anyone can do anything if they work hard. Anyone can be anything they want to be, even President.

Everyone is equal. The Founding Persons told us so. (This is my latest favorite saying and I plan to ride it for another couple days.)

3/18/10, 12:42 PM

Anonymous Obzerv said...

In a way I sort of feel bad for these leftists. No matter what measures they take they will never close the achievement gaps. Eventually they will have to acknowledge the reality of racial differences. They're so idealistic and naive, its like a child finding out Santa doesn't exist.

3/20/10, 11:51 PM

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