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"Protesting Carlos Slim's exploitation of poor Mexicans"

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Anonymous wren said...

Amnesty: A conspiracy of elites to keep the poor man DOWN!

That's what I'm talking about!

6/19/13, 2:14 PM

Blogger Geoff Matthews said...

And you should continue to remark on it. The democrats should be held to the standard they set (concern for the poor).

6/19/13, 2:33 PM

Anonymous wren said...

Hey! Don't I pay Carlos Slim every single month through the tax on my cell phone that funds Obamaphones?

I can't afford that!

The elites at the NYT are not only keeping the poor Mexicans down, they are keeping me down!

6/19/13, 2:34 PM

Anonymous poolside said...

the NYT's obvious conflict of interest in promoting Mexican settlement in America, which promotes its second largest stockholder's wealth, is almost never remarked upon (or noticed).

And when I brought this up once on an Atlantic article, I was shouted down by the erudite liberal throng.

6/19/13, 3:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

By making the conditions in Mexico less tolerable for the poor, Slim may be increasing the rate of emigration into America, further increasing the amount of calls to the USA. It's a win/win!

Provided that these long distance calls cost more than he would gouge them otherwise. Is there any data that compares the amount a given Mexican generates for Slim in Mexico vs the USA?

6/19/13, 3:07 PM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

By the way, Slim argues that this Mexican-American protest group is really just a front for some Mexican financial interest that's out to get him:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/21/us-slim-complaint-idUSBRE94K1C320130521

Slim's suspicions don't sound too implausible: Mexican-Americans rarely self-organize out of civic-mindedness. It's one reason American political elites want more of them.

6/19/13, 3:13 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I would not support the predation on the poor by a multi-billionaire, some of those assumptions/facts cited in the study sound pretty far-fetched, notably the second and third. How the heck does access to mobile banking provide a route out of poverty?

6/19/13, 3:20 PM

Anonymous Jeff W. said...

How hard is it to get the Mexican government to screw over its own citizens with high phone rates?

If you are enormously wealthy and you bribe the politicans, and if you also have everybody's phone records, I guess it's not too hard.

6/19/13, 4:00 PM

Anonymous Commen said...

Hopefully sometime soon, NYT will follow the Slim model and charge $20/paper. Its already on the decline, but there's a lot of ruin in a newspaper, so this would dramatically hasten its demise.

6/19/13, 4:21 PM

Anonymous Frozen Jansen said...

"Geoff Matthews said...

And you should continue to remark on it. The democrats should be held to the standard they set (concern for the poor)."

It won't matter. A prominent liberal could set a starving Vietnamese boat family on fire in San Francisco, and not only would the left ignore it, Tim Wise would write the next day about the selfishness responsibility of carbon debt owed by white redneck men in Arkansas.

6/19/13, 4:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Idea for a bumper sticker in the year 2045:
(Translate if needed)

Si usted está leyendo esto en español, gracias a la banda de los ocho.

6/19/13, 4:33 PM

Blogger Skeptical Economist said...

At the implied suggestion of our host, I have been reading "Manana Forever?: Mexico and the Mexicans"
by Jorge Castañeda.

One of Castañeda's better observations is that Carlos Slim hasn't enjoyed much success north of the border where he can't get a government provided monopoly.

Read it all. It's not exactly a flattering portrait of Mexican society and culture.

Of course, Arias King is still the best writer on Mexico, Mexicans, and immigration. See "Immigration and Usurpation: Elites, Power, and the People’s Will" by Arias King.

6/19/13, 6:10 PM

Blogger Skeptical Economist said...

At the implied suggestion of our host, I have been reading "Manana Forever?: Mexico and the Mexicans"
by Jorge Castañeda.

One of Castañeda's better observations is that Carlos Slim hasn't enjoyed much success north of the border where he can't get a government provided monopoly.

Read it all. It's not exactly a flattering portrait of Mexican society and culture.

Of course, Arias King is still the best writer on Mexico, Mexicans, and immigration. See "Immigration and Usurpation: Elites, Power, and the People’s Will" by Arias King.

6/19/13, 6:11 PM

Anonymous 2Degrees said...

There was a time when the police chief in Mexico was listed as one of the richest men in the world.

You don't get to be a telecommunications magnate unless you are well connected in government circles.

Interestingly, Thaksin, the great man of the people in Thailand, is also a "self-made" telecommunications magnate. Don't make me laugh.

6/19/13, 6:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How S. 744 destroys middle-class American tech jobs:

http://goanimate.com/user/0-VFCDPgmUWU

Please watch and circulate.

6/19/13, 7:02 PM

Anonymous ben tillman said...

What I want to know is, how does Salim hold onto this monopoly when there's so much money to be spread among the politically connected and Salim is not ethnically connected to the other Mexican power brokers?

6/19/13, 8:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Slim is a Phoenician trader, isn't was for nothing that the Romans wiped out the phoenician city of Carthage.

6/19/13, 9:20 PM

Anonymous Rob said...

How the heck does access to mobile banking provide a route out of poverty?

Maybe it makes it easier to get remissions from relatives in America?

6/20/13, 12:40 AM

Blogger 24AheadDotCom said...

poolside writes: "And when I brought this up once on an Atlantic article, I was shouted down by the erudite liberal throng."

I've left several thousands of comments all over and I've been as viciously attacked as someone can be online. I've also been banned by many sites mainly just for disagreeing or showing them wrong.

I've gotten very little help with that beyond up votes and a few attaboys. But, actually working together and supporting people like me is beyond most of those who oppose amnesty.

P.S. When an NYT reporter hypes their latest pro-amnesty screed on Twitter, look up those who RT them. Then, point out to them the conflict of interest the NYT has, perhaps suggesting that the reporter follow the $ on the NYT. For instance, @JuliaPrestonNYT is fairly active.

6/20/13, 6:18 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting. This might be why the NYT opposed amnesty last time around but supports it this time.

6/20/13, 9:19 PM

Anonymous Dr Van Nostrand said...


Well, Slim is a Phoenician trader, isn't was for nothing that the Romans wiped out the phoenician city of Carthage."

Here we go.Stereotypes that are more 2000 years old?! If the trends from that era persisted. the Italian army should be the most powerful force in the western hemisphere.
Having said that you are right about the Lebanese, little has changed about the Phoenicians but Carthage is a different story.

Carthage was a Phoenician colony for quite a few centuries. They had been independent of Phoenicia for lot longer than U.S had been separated from their mother country.

Phoenicians were known to be warriors but collaborators.
Say what you will about Israelites ,they fought the Babylonians and Assyrians against overwhelming odds even though they had option to surrender and engange in ritual humiliation by having their king kiss the feet of the Mesopotamian king and be left in peace to do trade and prosper.

The Carthaginians obviously though of the same gene pool(with some Berber and other North African admixture) were of a different mindset.
More Romans died in one day at the hands of the Carthiginians at Cannae than Americans during the entirety of the Vietnam war.

Coming back to the Lebanese Phoenicians , how little their habits have changed.Rather than fight like the Zionists do, they simply collaborate and try to play all sides. Once with the Saudis,with the Syrians,with the PLO ,Israel or Iran or all at once.
They are a race of fixers,snitches and conmen

6/21/13, 1:24 AM

Anonymous Dr Van Nostrand said...



I've left several thousands of comments all over and I've been as viciously attacked as someone can be online. I've also been banned by many sites mainly just for disagreeing or showing them wrong."

Im reminded of a story from the Upanishads where 6 sages wish to earn some scholarly cred by debating a more famous and erudite sage.
He soundly defeats all their arguments but they go away unconvinced of his victory.
Once take away was that it is not enough to be right or even proving you are right. Strength in numbers does make a difference as the strength of ignorance lies there.
Another though not neccesarily a contradictory lesson was that with such people it is just not necessary to defeat them in debate but humiliation is required as well.
And that can only occur in a large audience with an impartial moderator(usually a king)

6/21/13, 1:30 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Coming back to the Lebanese Phoenicians , how little their habits have changed.Rather than fight like the Zionists do, they simply collaborate and try to play all sides. Once with the Saudis,with the Syrians,with the PLO ,Israel or Iran or all at once.
They are a race of fixers,snitches and conmen"

Hezbollah is the most impressive non-Israeli military force in the Middle East and the only one to go toe to toe with Israel and fight them to a draw. And they come from the most backward sectarian community in Lebanon.

6/22/13, 7:47 PM

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