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"Brothers and IQ, again"

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Anonymous jody said...

you're in extremely dangerous territory talking about "hispanic IQ". unless you're talking about the mean IQ of spain, you're not talking about anything real.

talking about "latino intelligence" in reference to anything other than europeans is absolutely meaningless, and the data should be thrown away or ignored.

6/27/07, 2:38 PM

Blogger Svigor said...

For decades, the Holy Grail of cognitive test designers has been to invent a test on which blacks and whites would average the same, without losing most real world predictive power.

I wish they'd go ahead and blatantly tailor the "cultural" aspects of IQ tests, SATs, etc., to blacks. After a quick correction non-blacks would bounce back, and liberals would lose their argument about cultural bias (not that they have much of an argument, of course).

6/27/07, 3:03 PM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

Jody, everybody today uses self-identification. If an individual checks off the Hispanic/Latino box, they are Hispanic/Latino. Self-identification is the most politically relevant way to group people.

6/27/07, 3:25 PM

Blogger Luke said...

Now that the facts are in, more or less, it's time to start trying to figure out what kind of society can provide productive and satisfying lives for all these different kinds of people. Personally, I don't want a world with a lot of servants in it (or, to paraphrase Lincoln, as I would not be a servant, so I would not have a servant.)

I suggest the answer is a much shorter work week in the manufacturing sector, using more labor-intensive and less robotisized work processes that are still within just about everybody's purview to do, with the rest of the time spent being one's own servant (ie, doing one's own cooking, child-raising, cleaning, home maintenance, etc., with lots of sports and local politics for entertainment) and allowing the cognitive elites to handle the more demanding managerial tasks of keeping the whole shebang on the road.

In other words, factories in the countryside run on part-time jobs. In other words, happiness is a part-time job in the country. for more see here: http://luke.lea.googlepages.com/home

sorry, steve, I just had to put that in. Charles Murray, are you paying attention?

6/27/07, 3:29 PM

Anonymous tommy said...

talking about "latino intelligence" in reference to anything other than europeans is absolutely meaningless, and the data should be thrown away or ignored.

Why would it be relevant in talking about European intelligence yet not relevant in talking about the intelligence of anyone else? Do you think 1 + 1 = 3 in "Latino math?" Have you ever seen the sort of questions on an IQ test?

6/27/07, 4:02 PM

Blogger Taylor said...

I see your point, Jody. Who are the Hispanics? I presume these IQ tests are done on the population of South Americans who have migrated to the US - a different racial mix than in Spain.

Hispanic is ethnicity without much reference to race though you can identify subgroups of Hispanics who belong to different identifiable races or at least racial mixes.

6/27/07, 6:25 PM

Blogger Marie Everington said...

'Culture' is a term of uncommon slipperiness. It tends to be highly subjective in both definition and application (as in intelligence testing).

If black people think in a different way, or valued different uses of one's brain, as examples, this is not something that would be reflected in current tests used as intelligence-measuring proxies.

I don't really mean the 'multiple intelligences' stuff that is mostly feel-goodism-- I mean that testing metrics as devised often tend to reflect unconscious biases in the thinking of the test designers. Such as divergent ideas on what behaviors and actions constitute reflections of 'culture' or 'intelligence'.

If my culture rewards problem-solving methodology A and the IQ tests refer exclusively to problem-solving methodology B, then I might well look like I am not as 'intelligent'.

I think you understate the level of myopia and fearmongering surrounding intelligence testing. Nobody genuinely wants to deviate from current established metrics, whether they accurately reflect cognitive ability or merely a particularised subset of cognitive ability.

6/27/07, 10:50 PM

Anonymous Mark said...

Based only on personal experience, I have no problem with the findings of the Norwegian study. Having known lots of large Mormon families, I have seen firsthand the effects of birth order on such families. In my experience earlier born children tend to be more responsible, more conservative, more likely to graduate from college, and more likely to stick with their religious upbringing.

Partly I suspect this is because older children are given more responsibility froma young age, partly it's due to older children having recieved more attention when they were young, and partly I suspect it's due to parents just getting tired of being parents. My parents were very strict with my oldest siblings. By the time they got to me they (pretty much) just said "Do whatever."

I think a Norwegian type study on larger families (5+ kids), might throw more light on whole the subject.

6/27/07, 11:13 PM

Anonymous Artanis said...

The term "Hispanic" pertains to people or things from, or pertinent to, Spain.

"Latino" is a little vaguer but as I would see it it could be applied to Italians, French, Spanish, Portuguese, or anyone else from a part of Europe originating in a region where Latin was the lingua franca, so to speak.

Mexicans and other Central Americans are mestizos, unless they are pure Indios, and we see more and more of those here these days.

Puerto Ricans are mulattoes.

6/28/07, 10:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I used to believe this nonsense before I went to a gym and met many blacks, or met many artistic, creatve Hispanics. We are just different in our own ways, not less or more inteligent than one another.

7/11/09, 2:35 AM

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