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"Elites and population growth"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

The elite colleges of the USA enroll about one student for every 2000 Americans entering as freshmen. Since half the class is legacies, foreigners, and affirmative action admits, that leaves about one spot in 4000 for elite Americans to enter a Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton, or Caltech.

In the UK, the two elite schools take 1% of candidates, 40 times the number in the USA. In Japan, Kyoto and Tokyo universities take 1% of the national 18 year olds. Korea is similar. In Canada and Germany and almost all of Europe, the top elite schools take well over 1% of the population.

France has a few ultra-elite schools that are almost as exclusive as the USA elites but their admission is at least one-hundred-percent merit based with objective tests and not subjective measures of elite-compatibility like in the USA.

I suspect we're looking at one of the forces that destroys nations that allow their aristocracies to turn them into world empires.

2/27/13, 6:47 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pomona is a liberal arts college. Liberal arts colleges tend to be small and focused on traditional liberal arts scholarship and teaching undergrads. They don't have grad and professional schools attached nor do they have research. And they have fewer faculty and administrators.

Prestigious major universities that are favored by elites have been expansionist.

2/27/13, 6:55 PM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

Such as ...?

2/27/13, 6:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

High growth rates in elite institutions mean that in short order they will cease to be elite. What's the fun in a Harvard degree if they graduate 50,000 people per year, even if your own education quality isn't affected by higher enrollment?

It's essentially guild behavior.

2/27/13, 7:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see many innovations, coming from the Ivies, to lighten the physical burden of the jobs that Mexicans do. I wonder why? I knew it, I knew it, the elites don't care about Mexicans.

Where are our modular home factories? Where is our automated landscaping equipment? Where are our perishable fruit harvesters?

The elite have failed at maintaining our supersonic transportation and space programs. They really don't stand out compared to the elite of fifty years ago. Being an Elite seems to be an end in itself.

2/27/13, 7:16 PM

Anonymous anony-mouse said...

Er, Columbia U has been expanding quite a bit and quite controversially:

www.unz.org/Pub/VolokhConspiracy-2010dec-00136

This case was big among the libertarians for a while (eminent domain and more).

Cornell of Ithaca has been moving into the Big Apple in a big way:

www.cornell.edu/nyc/


2/27/13, 7:22 PM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

Columbia has been trying to physically push back the neighboring 'hood forever. Columbia's attempts to buy up surrounding slums was a big issue in the late 1960s SDS era. A number of Ivy League colleges have the same issue -- Yale has pushed back the slums for several blocks. What's striking is how little Ivy League colleges use undergraduate expansion as an engine for this.

2/27/13, 7:29 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

“I don’t find the argument that we have a moral imperative to share the American experience with 50 million more immigrants convincing,” - that's what I say. Sound familiar?

2/27/13, 7:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's striking is how little Ivy League colleges use undergraduate expansion as an engine for this.

The Ivy League has very low faculty to student ratios. 300 student classes are common. Most of the student interaction is with grad students who assist the professors.

2/27/13, 7:44 PM

Anonymous ben tillman said...

France has a few ultra-elite schools that are almost as exclusive as the USA elites but their admission is at least one-hundred-percent merit based....

I don't understand your implication that admissions could be more than 100% merit-based.

2/27/13, 8:07 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve, why aren't you tagging your posts anymore? Categorizing them makes it easier to find them later.

2/27/13, 8:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aren't these elite colleges embracing MOOCs precisely to share their experiences with the masses?

2/27/13, 8:16 PM

Anonymous CMC said...

Erica Flapan vs. Bryan Caplan at an Intelligence Squared Debate on Immigration.

2/27/13, 8:22 PM

Anonymous slumber_j said...

Norfolk Country Club in Norfolk, CT, where I'm a member and play about 1.5 rounds a year, is staffed entirely by white people born in the area as far as I can tell. That's 'cause that's who there is there. I don't notice the grass withering from year to year or anything of the sort.

The same is true of the gardeners / landscapers thereabouts, by the way. And they get paid pretty well, and nobody seems to bat an eye about it. Funny.

2/27/13, 8:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ben tillman: he is not implying that admissions could be more than 100% merit based. he is trying to say that while France's grande ecoles take up as tiny of a percentage of total undergraduates as America's Ivy League does in their respective countries, at least France's admissions system is wholly objective.




2/27/13, 8:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I actually think this can cut both ways. The elite schools keeping their numbers small allows state school graduates to attain positions that would have otherwise been filled by the expanded ranks of elite school graduates.

Anyway, graduate programs (MBA & JD in particular) are the real professional differentiators.

Of course an Ivy undergrad does help substantially in the graduate admissions process... in two ways: the Ivy degree itself and in securing prestigious internships/entry level positions to put on the application.

2/27/13, 8:41 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

GOP has been checkmated.

No matter which way its pieces are moved, it's mated creatively, demographically, financially, morally, academically, culturally, etc.

2/27/13, 9:32 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Newsweek may be dead but liberal media is bigger than ever. Prior to the net, most people--especially the young--didn't read political news. Now, every young person on facebook 'likes' a whole host of information sites that combine politics and entertainment, and so, they feed tons of newsfeed every day. Newsweek and Time never had that kind of access.

And liberal and even leftist facebook pages have a lot more 'likes' than even mainstream conservative pages.

So, newsweek didn't really die. It's been superceded by supernewsweek that is the new media.

One thing though...

in the past magazines were published weekly, bi-weekly, monthly, or quarterly, so there was an effort to print worthy news and opinion.
Now, e-zines have to come up with new news and opinions on a daily or even hourly basis, so there is so much fluff and filler.

2/27/13, 9:39 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

elite colleges embracing MOOCs

They can offer online courses, but that's not nearly in the same prestige class as residential degrees.

It's not like Harvard's endowment can't afford to hire more profs, put up a few more dorms, and expand.

2/27/13, 10:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Difference betwen Harris County Texas were Mittens lost to Obama and Orange County where Mittens won. Orange County is a lot more expensive in Housing but its black population is only 2 percent. Probably the whites voted more for Mittens in Harris but a black/Hispanic combination meet that Mittens lost a percentage point to Obama. Also, OC Asian population voted only 9 percent more for Obama around 53 perccent while in the reast of the US it was in the 70's. Hispanics in Santa Ana voted for Obama around 70 percent. And Coto De Caza and ladera Ranch until 2005 were keeping up with the Hispanic birthrates in Santa Ana and Anaheim.

2/27/13, 11:02 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, Romney did the best with older marriage folks that were empty nesters not young couples with kids. Proof here,Yes, the Romney campaign won seniors and lost voters under 30, though our numbers were a significant improvement from the 2008 presidential campaign. But was this a tech-driven gap or more reflective of substance?

Like most things in life, the answer is a bit of both. I don’t think it’s very controversial to suggest that a candidate who favors gay marriage and free contraception might have more appeal to a younger demographic. Does anyone want to argue that free contraception is seen as a more pressing issue to your average 21-year-old than to a 55-year-old voter, or that there are more gay rights organizations on college campuses than in VFW halls?

Likewise, why did Mitt Romney win older voters? They are more concerned with the economy than with same-sex marriage, and they are more skeptical of or opposed to Obamacare.

Seniors no longer have kids in school and the Republcians who usually don't want to spend as much as Dems for schools do better with older marriage folks without kids. They do better with this group than people with 3 kids,sorry. to burst your bubble.
Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2013/02/lead-romney-2012-strategist-mitt-lost-on-gay-marriage-contraception.html#ixzz2MDPy2HBw

2/27/13, 11:24 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In contrast, the Silent generation – whose members reached adulthood between the late 1940s and early 1960s and now make up over 80% of Americans age 65 and older – has held relatively conservative views on social issues and the role of government for most of their lives. Their growing unease, and even anger, about the direction of the country in recent years has moved them further toward the GOP, largely erasing the Democratic Party’s advantage in affiliation Emptynester married couples. Why Mittens did high in West Virginia. and even Utah has a lot of emptynesters even with the young population.

2/27/13, 11:31 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://siskelandebert.org/video/8RORMWR2Y8ON/Sneak-Previews-Best-of-the-1970s

2/28/13, 12:26 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ive just been looking at Deepdale on Google satellite view. Its interesting the low density of cars parked around the site, employees and members.Of course from that pov I cant be 100% sure whats part of the course and what isnt but it all looks very civilized. Must be a nice place to work at never mind play.

2/28/13, 1:31 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I actually think this can cut both ways. The elite schools keeping their numbers small allows state school graduates to attain positions that would have otherwise been filled by the expanded ranks of elite school graduates."

Presuming the pool of college bound students remains the same, it would mean only that a greater percentage of the pool would have elite degrees, instead of State ones. That means more competition for Master-Of-The-Universe positions. That's exactly what the snobs dont want.
They want to be the conductors, not part of the orchestra, getting blisters from practice because they have to keep their skills top notch to remain competitive.

2/28/13, 2:27 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Claremont itself is kind of a SWPL, no-growth enclave. 70% white. It boasts a whopping 20% Hispanic demographic (lower, if you exclude the Conquistadors) in the Inland Freakin Empire; neighboring Pomona is, by contrast, 30% white. Population growth? Since 1990, Claremont has grown by 4.6%. Its equally SWPLy neighbor, La Verne, has grown by 2.6%. Ontario, by contrast, grew by 18% and Pomona by 13%.

Table 8-2 in this document:
http://www.ci.claremont.ca.us/download.cfm?ID=25572

2/28/13, 5:01 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could California's valleys be transformed into THIS? Environmental fears as 15.4bn barrels of shale oil are found beneath fertile farmland
•Oil is under 1,750 square miles of central and southern California
•The oil, which is deeper beneath the surface than other reserves and hidden in pockets, can finally be reached thanks to developed technology

•Companies are quietly buying up mineral rights to the public land
•But it is also galvanising environmentalists who are fighting against the use of 'fracking' to extract the oil and fear damage to the fertile land

2/28/13, 7:40 AM

Anonymous FWG said...

Because golf fairways are more important than any potential drawbacks an open southern border may bring.

I love golf so I found this funny, but it's ludicrous Bloomberg thinks this, much less says it openly.

Growing up, I lived on a golf course, and I didn't notice any Mexican workers. I moved in 2006 though, so who knows what it's like now.

2/28/13, 9:02 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The three largest counties, the Republicans did the best in the state were Orange, San Diego and Riverside. Orange is above the national average income because of white and some asian income. San Diego is slighly above the national average and Riverside is near the national average. All three counties urbanized late compared to La or the Bay areas. San Diego is showing a trend toward the Dems but Obama only won the county by 5 percent. Actually, Orange, San Diego and Riverside have suffered because of illegal immirgation and probably Orange and San Diego would have had incomes closed to the Bay area if their Hispanic populations where still in the 20's. Elites in the Bay area and La supported the Hispanization of Orange and San Diego to cut the moderates and conservatives off.

2/28/13, 9:03 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do all these "Jewish" country clubs around New York City discriminate against Gentiles?

Are Gentile applicants for membership viewed disfavorably compared to Jewish applicants?

2/28/13, 10:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pomona College was Revilo Pendleton Oliver's undergraduate school. I doubt they boast of that, though.

2/28/13, 10:40 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhMkv4o7V0qMyN7XLQ

2/28/13, 11:51 AM

Anonymous Bill said...

Steve,

You can get enrollment info for US universities in this database:

http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/datacenter/Default.aspx

You can see, for example, Harvard fall enrollment all the way back to 1980. I assume you could get data in less convenient forms further back than that by contacting the relevant bureaucrat at the Dept of Ed.

For example, full-time undergraduate enrollment at Harvard:

1980: 4,162
2011: 7,207

Not the most convenient website to use, though

2/28/13, 2:19 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doS-Bz7RPxc

Powerful John Ford movie.

2/28/13, 2:36 PM

Anonymous MC Vi'Brancy said...

Sorry, come pletely of-topic off you're post.

3/1/13, 3:17 AM

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