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Anonymous Wes said...

Yes this is a commentary on the innate intelligence of illegal aliens from Mexico. Does anyone know what the IQ of Mestizos is? I have seen figures on Mexican IQ, but that includes everyone, even the fairly white Mexicans.

What we are getting now is purely Mestizo and indigenous people. Does their IQ get about as low as African American?

5/20/11, 11:20 PM

Blogger Simon said...

The causal factor appears to be many are still hobbled by serious developmental and educational deficits resulting from their parents' lives in the shadows".

The shadow effect, curse of the shadow - any way you cut it, it sounds bad.

5/20/11, 11:39 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And if you get an A in calculus, you'll get a better job.

So, enroll everyone in calculus, hold no class (are you kidding? actually do math?), and award As. Economy solved.

5/20/11, 11:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think one of the reasons that the mainstream constantly blames their lower test scores on anything but genetics is that the white elites like the power.

Not just the expanded government (although that goes without saying by now), but also the feeling that every social problem could be solved if only white people would simply give more. Y'know, other white people who are not as enlightened as they are.

A lot of white people like being "Daddy White Man" - it's a way of showing their superiority over other whites and making sure that any non white achievement will have the taint of being because whitey deigned to help them.

5/21/11, 2:05 AM

Anonymous Van said...

Since the majority of illegals are from Mexico, an obvious and necessary control would be to look at the development of children of legal Mexican immigrants.

It doesn't appear that this was done. Strange oversight.

5/21/11, 4:50 AM

Anonymous Van said...

The article also implies that it is somehow "unfair" that these children have less access to early chidhood development activities and opportunities.

Another "right" that must be provided by someone else's money.

5/21/11, 4:52 AM

Anonymous Kiwiguy said...

Steve,

OT, but Bryan Caplan's 'Selfish Reasons to have more kids' has been discussed in several major UK papers. It's great to see the results of twin studies being spread to the public.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1387447/Parenting-guru-Bryan-Caplans-recipe-bringing-children-Let-eat-pizza.html

5/21/11, 5:02 AM

Anonymous Difference Maker said...

it's a way of showing their superiority over other whites

Priggism, a Teutonic vice

5/21/11, 6:17 AM

Anonymous Rohan Swee said...

So, this was a scrupulously designed study that compared, like, the children of legal immigrant Indian engineering graduates, and the children of Indian engineering graduates who didn't get green cards and just decided to illegally overstay their visas and live here, right? So how could it be bogus? I didn't read the article but I'm sure the study on the deleterious effects of "living in the shadows" was set up more or less like that, right?

5/21/11, 6:37 AM

Anonymous rob said...

Sailer, you should do a post on black flash mobs. Seems that black mobs self-organize on twitter or whatever. Groups of youths and not so youths claim territory, beat people up, strip convenience stores like locusts. Does not bode well.

5/21/11, 7:10 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you're in our town you'll hear different varieties of Guatemalan Mayan. Like Steve said, 500 years and they don't even speak Spanish?

All of them receive public assistance and all of them cheat. Pretty blatantly cheat actually.

Hooray for illegals!

5/21/11, 8:06 AM

Anonymous Kylie said...

From the article: "Even though the children have citizenship and live in an immigrant-friendly city that offers them a wide array of services, many are still hobbled by serious developmental and educational deficits resulting from their parents' lives in the shadows..."

Obviously these familias need to emerge from the shadows here and go back to sunny Mejico.

Problem solved!

5/21/11, 8:21 AM

Anonymous Rob said...

Maybe if these illegals moved closer to Canada this awkward achievement gap would disappear.

5/21/11, 9:20 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't get it - surely any illegal Chinese or East Asian immigrants tested would just bust this theory right away. Why doesn't Lynn do that ?

5/21/11, 10:08 AM

Anonymous ATBOTL said...

Most Mexicans in NYC appear to be all indigenous, with no Caucasian ancestry at all. Illegal aliens in NYC include all types of people though. Many are black Dominicans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Africans etc. but also Chinese, Indians, Arabs, Albanians, Turks, Brazilians etc...

5/21/11, 12:37 PM

Anonymous Let's! said...

I agree with the Slim Times. We sure don't know how to treat the Sacred Race of Bronze right.

It is all our fault, and since Mexico is prosperous (GDP +4.6%), resource-rich, pro-trade and democratic, the illegals should show us what's what, return to Mexico, and leave our sorry American a--es behind!

(Crickets...) Oh, that wasn't supposed to be the takeaway?

5/21/11, 2:23 PM

Anonymous Let's! said...

In other news, life imitates Clement Dio ("The Camp of the Saints" character who's an Arab-French writer and composed "I'm The Guy They Call Dirty Old Ahmed.")

Behold Hector Saldaña of the San Antonio Express-News, and his latest ditty!
http://www.thekrayolas.com/lyrics/other-non-album/1070-im-your-dirty-mexican

5/21/11, 2:30 PM

Anonymous Wes said...

white elites like the power...the feeling that every social problem could be solved if only white people would simply give more...

I think there is something to this. There is a desire by our elites to feel like they can overcome the power of genes - basically overcome nature. The ancient Romans probably felt the same way, right before the Barbarians plunged them into a 1,000 year Dark Age.

5/21/11, 2:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very interesting. The New York Times of October 21, 2009 cited a University of California-Berkeley study that said that the children of Hispanic immigrants lag behind most whites in terms of linguistic and cognitive skills at age 2. That article said nothing about the immigrants' legal status. It said that the Hispanic children had not been stimulated enough and that more government spending on preschool programs was necessary.

In summary, the country's liberal elites favor amnesty and more government spending -- no matter what.

5/21/11, 4:22 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

you're pretending to miss the point of the article, which is this: citizen anchor-babies living in the shadows

the article asserts that it's not genetics that lead to developmental problems but simply their second-class citizen status.

5/21/11, 4:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would be curious to see if the children of Asian immigrants, legal and illegal, have been studied for development and educational deficits. My wife teaches kids that are behind in school and in need of some remedial help. She has yet to have an East Asian child in one of those classes.

5/21/11, 5:39 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

On a related note, iSteve readers should consider supporting Herman Cain - he's the only announced candidate for whom illegal immigration is a signature issue. Blacks and Whites should be natural allies on this issue. And that guy can give a speech.

5/21/11, 8:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I would be curious to see if the children of Asian immigrants, legal and illegal, have been studied for development and educational deficits."

I can explain this phenomenon from my own empirical research. Many Asians most assuredly have deficits especially in what we might term language disorders but, since most are over achieving conformists, most will manage to stay in the mainstream in American public schools. I have actually observed that there are Asians who can be classified as developmentally delayed. Of course Asians will mostly have IQs between say 80 and 130 which may or may not be indicative of greater inbreeding.

That a motivated Asian with a normal IQ and a learning disability could pass mostly undetected through our oh-so-challenging public schools isn't saying much.

5/21/11, 10:17 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"On a related note, iSteve readers should consider supporting Herman Cain - he's the only announced candidate for whom illegal immigration is a signature issue."

Doesn't he advocate Neil Bortz's Fair Tax as well?

5/21/11, 10:19 PM

Blogger Jane said...

Anon @4:55

Intentionally or unintentionally, you are blurring the line between "missing the point" and "disagreeing with the point."

5/22/11, 2:19 AM

Anonymous VA said...

About Herman Cain and immigration -- NumbersUSA gives him a D+

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/action/herman-cain.html

5/22/11, 3:22 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The article seems to be assuming a uni-directional causality>>> That illegal immigration causes low intelligence. Even though it was not a causal study. That is what we call poor scientific writing. Also I do IQ tests all the time and if you are trying to base any cognitive or language outcome on the basis of testing kids two and younger then you really are misunderstanding psychometrics and child development.

5/22/11, 3:58 PM

Anonymous DC Handgun Info said...

My favorite P.J. O'Rourke quip:

NEW YORK TIMES:
World to End; Global Leaders Convene

NEW YORK POST:
World to End; Mets Call Off Season

WASHINGTON POST:
World to End; Women, Minorities Hardest Hit

I quote from memory.

5/25/11, 5:59 AM

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