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"2000: "Seven Dumb Ideas about Race""

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Anonymous Hugh said...

David Epstein's book "the Sports Gene" seems to have taken a more successful route in breaking down Gouldianism.

Differences in sporting ability are easier to see and it is harder to deny that there is a genetic component.

I think HBDers should concentrate on this line of attack if they really want to breach the Cathedral walls.

5/24/14, 9:54 PM

Anonymous Dan said...

Sorry to be a bore but Zimmerman is pretty tough to pin down racially.

Rodgers is tough to pin down exactly.

Depending on your political view they are white or Hispanic-white, Mestizo or Latino. Chinese, British, Eurasian, mixed race, Amerasian.

These categories do exist. You see them in the faces of the two.

5/24/14, 10:03 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course no-one here has ever suggested or implied that a master race exists and your audience all share the belief that since the races of people all have different strengths and weaknesses they can't be ranked or evaluated.

5/24/14, 10:24 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The existence of orange as an intermediate between yellow and red does not mean that primary colors don't exist.

5/25/14, 4:23 AM

Anonymous Jefferson said...

"Sorry to be a bore but Zimmerman is pretty tough to pin down racially.

Rodgers is tough to pin down exactly.

Depending on your political view they are white or Hispanic-white, Mestizo or Latino. Chinese, British, Eurasian, mixed race, Amerasian.

These categories do exist. You see them in the faces of the two."

You know what else is hard to pin down ? People who self identify with a race that does not match their phenotype at all.

For example there is a Columbia University professor named Gregory Howard Williams, who self identifies himself as "Black". Problem is this guy has an extremely Germanic Northern European phenotype. He self identifies himself as "Black" even though he looks Whiter than most Italians, Greeks, Jews, etc. Phenotype wise Gregory Howard Williams would stick out like a sore thumb if you dropped him off at the Brownsville housing projects in New York City for example.

Self identification aside, using Carleton Coon style racial anthropology, would Gregory Howard Williams be considered a Caucasoid or a Negroid ?

5/25/14, 5:07 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fauxchehonkytas has the same problem with phenotype.

5/25/14, 9:04 AM

Anonymous Reg Cæsar said...

. Otherwise, they will learn the horrible truth and they'll all vote Nazi.

No, they won't. Only the progressives will.

People used to ask(maybe still do), how could the most advanced nation in Europe fall for National Socialism? I would counter, who but the most advanced people would succumb ?

5/25/14, 1:12 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Sports fans can cite countless examples. Men of West African descent monopolize the Olympic 100m dash, but their explosive musculature, which is so helpful in sprinting, weighs them down in distance running, where they are also-rans."

Regardless, blacks dominate both short and long distance running.

5/25/14, 2:31 PM

Blogger Tim said...

I'm not sure the various races differing athletic talents makes the argument that there can be no master race. Ability to project military power would be a more relevant metric.

5/25/14, 3:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

There`s no natural law defining where extended families end. A racial group is merely an extended family (often an extremely extended family) that inbreeds to some extent. It's this tendency to marry within the group that makes racial groups somewhat more coherent, cohesive, and longer lasting than smaller-scale extended families.

"Race" and "extended family" would be valid descriptions from the level of the species on down to any level you wish. Most species go extinct, so even at the widest possible level, it's not particularly long-lasting.

"Race" and "extended family" are thus too vague by themselves to refer to what people ordinarily mean by "race". You need more descriptors, such as a "race" and "extended family" that has been confined to a particular geographic area for X years, or something.

5/25/14, 5:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regardless, blacks dominate both short and long distance running.

Not if it is horses that are doing the running

5/25/14, 5:35 PM

Anonymous master race said...

It's not about being the best at everything. It's being mostly the best at most things that really matter. And also not being totally incompetent at those things which are necessary.

Whites and Asians are mostly the best and mostly competent. NAMs are rarely the best and rarely competent.

While I'm sure blacks are better at athletics and jazz, are those meager talents enough to offset the fact that they are mostly violent welfare parasites.

I think its disingenuous to say that once you believe in HBD you won't prefer one race over another in most situations and as neighbors and citizens overall.

5/26/14, 8:34 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Science marches on: "I like your genes: People more likely to choose a spouse with similar DNA", May 19, 2014, ScienceDaily.

"Individuals are more genetically similar to their spouses than they are to randomly selected individuals from the same population.

...published in... Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences... show that people... are more likely to pick mates who have similar DNA. While characteristics such as race, body type and even education have genetic components, this is the first study to look at similarities across the entire genome.

... "It is well known that people marry folks who are like them,"... "But there's been a question about whether we mate at random with respect to genetics."

...using 1.7 million single-nucleotide polymorphisms in each person's genome.

...compared the magnitude of the genetic similarity between married people to the magnitude of the better-studied phenomenon of people with similar educations marrying, known as educational assortative mating. They found that the preference for a genetically similar spouse, known as genetic assortative mating, is about a third of the strength of educational assortative mating.

...The findings could have implications for statistical models now used by scientists to understand genetic differences between human populations because such models often assume random mating."



Does a large amount of genetic diversity in a population perhaps contribute to lower overall marriage rates? (Contrast, say, LA and Wall Street with an average Amish congregation or mid-western town.)

5/26/14, 9:07 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good analogy. Primary races should be the starting classifications.

5/28/14, 4:23 AM

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