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"Elinor Ostrom, RIP: Averting the tragedy of the commons"

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Anonymous whatsit said...

French director Louis Malle made a movie, Alamo Bay, denouncing ugly Americans fighting hardworking immigrants.

Hmmm. I wonder why a Frenchman would want to make a film depicting Americans as racist towards Vietnamese?

6/12/12, 6:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"A classic supporting case that that Diamond doesn't bring up: American shrimp fishermen in Texas were universally denounced as racists in the late 1970s when they resisted the government's efforts to encourage Vietnamese refugees to become shrimpers in their waters."

But would the resistance have been as violent if the newcomers had been German or Norwegian fishermen?

Race was and is a factor. If most illegal immigrants were from Europe, I wouldn't care.

6/12/12, 7:19 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I was growing up, the foreshore along my grandfather's farm in British Columbia yielded ridiculous numbers of clams, at least by my Massachusetts cousins' standards. You could fill a bucket by digging anywhere without having to take step in any direction. They were commercially harvested (the foreshore was open to anyone), but not intensively. I worked on a few crews myself.

In the early 1980s, the clam-picking crews very suddenly became all-Vietnamese, and they would frickin' dig every square foot of the foreshore several times a year. They also took undersized clams, which, as they told my uncle, paid several times more per bag than legal-sized ones. The companies were white-owned, as of course were the Vancouver restaurants serving "baby" clams.

Clams are by no means wiped out, but there are far fewer today. The Vietnamese clam pickers have disappeared.

Cennbeorc

6/12/12, 7:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sometimes post on a couple of enviro boards that have mostly legal types who deal with public lands issues. There's been a thread going about speculation on the future of the West when water resources and shifting populations start accelerating ecological stress. I speculated that illegal immigration and other factors would increase pressure to sell off chunks of BLM and National Forest land in the interest of "housing justice", "sustainable development", and however else they'll package the selloff- in short, an alliance between the wise use and social justice crowd.

6/12/12, 7:54 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But would the resistance have been as violent if the newcomers had been German or Norwegian fishermen?

Race was and is a factor. If most illegal immigrants were from Europe, I wouldn't care."

The quote is consistent with the remark that overfishing can be controlled by ingroup informal methods such as not allowing over-fishers to marry your daughters. So the resistance to Europeans would not be as strong because the environment would not be as threatened.

Of course, you are right, non-environmental reasons are also important.
Robert Hume

6/12/12, 8:13 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm surprised you didn't mention the story behind the refusal of the Sierra Club to even dare touch illegal immigration as damaging to the environment.

6/12/12, 9:52 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The quote is consistent with the remark that overfishing can be controlled by ingroup informal methods such as not allowing over-fishers to marry your daughters."

Since when do American girls ask parental permission to marry?
And who says Viets weren't willing to marry whites?
Rather, whites did not want to mix with Viets even they did play by the rules.
The bigger issue is why does the damn gov dump poor refugees in struggling communities? Why not on rich folks' lawns?

6/12/12, 11:02 PM

Anonymous dearieme said...

"Economics quasi-Nobel Prize": brilliant - keep it up, Mr iSteve. We'll get those ruddy economists to be less economical with the truth yet.

6/13/12, 9:52 AM

Anonymous dearieme said...

"If most illegal immigrants were from Europe, I wouldn't care": oh I think you might. Some from the Balkans, for instance, would not be your first pick for next door neighbours.

Not all of us Europeans are respectable 19th century Scots Presbyterians or Norwegian Lutherans. In fact, none of us are.

6/13/12, 9:56 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Iceland kind of combined property rights and social ostracism to get control of their fishing stocks.

Now the UN evidently wants to undo this. I tend not to want to rant about globalist multiculturalism but in this case the UN has zeroed in on the one place in the world that is not destroying its fish stocks.

Iceland fish supplies return to normal as trawler protest ends

http://www.fishupdate.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/17761/Iceland_fish_supplies_return_to_normal_as_trawler_protest_ends.html

UN Drops Human Rights Case Against Iceland

http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news//UN_Drops_Human_Rights_Case_Against_Iceland_0_390751.news.aspx

6/14/12, 7:54 AM

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