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"My new VDARE.com column on Robert D. Putnam's long-awaited paper on diversity and community"

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Anonymous Bagpuss said...

Just a look at the number and type of organisations that funded the study would indicate that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

7/2/07, 5:53 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Putnam's data is important." "Data," is plural, Steve.

7/2/07, 6:26 AM

Anonymous jody said...

this is easy to see in any of the new "brazil" cities in the US. it's easier to strike up a conversation with a stranger of the same race, to seek their help in school or in shops and stores, to have neighbors of the same race. you anticipate they will respond better and you're more likely to trust what they say and do.

people in "brazil" cities clearly self segregate by race at school and outside of work.

7/2/07, 6:43 AM

Blogger Jane said...

My God, East LA sounds like it might someday be as bad as . . . South Boston. We'll have to wait to find out, of course, since the Irish ghetto lasted over 150 years.

7/2/07, 7:11 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got kicked off of my Alma Mater's alumni sports board [it was in the "lounge" area], for simply starting a thread which included a link to John Leo's piece, over at City Journal:

Bowling With Our Own

PS: On the question of Detroit, if you have a Derbyshire-ean penchant for doom, gloom, and despair, then there are few sites on the entire internet more depressing [yet utterly fascinating and engrossing] than

The Fabulous Ruins of Detroit

If you follow all the links, it could take you the better part of an afternoon to absorb the thing [in all its terrible magnitude], but TFRoD offers some truly profound insights into the nature of the human condition [especially as a dynamic, rather than a static, phenomenon].

And it probably gives you a pretty good idea of what Rome looked like, circa 600AD, as The West was hunkering down for about five centuries' worth of the Dark Ages.

[Interesting little factoid that I learned recently, BTW - the Roman Senate is known to have continued meeting for more than 100 years after the fall of the last widely-acknowledged emperor.]

7/2/07, 9:23 AM

Blogger Svigor said...

"Putnam's data is important." "Data," is plural, Steve.

Steve's usage is correct. As the Derb points out, data is a collective singular, like rice and silverware.

But don't worry, your error is so widespread now, it may become fixed and correct before too long.

7/2/07, 11:56 AM

Blogger Svigor said...

My God, East LA sounds like it might someday be as bad as . . . South Boston. We'll have to wait to find out, of course, since the Irish ghetto lasted over 150 years.

I love how people always dredge up the Irish, as if they're anything more than a single data point, and as if they're some kind of wonderful American ideal.

The Irish are STILL playing out their political resentments on the rest of white America.

I have an idea for you Jane - why don't YOU hang around with the immigrants and wait for them to percolate. You can sing Irish diddies while you're at it. I have other ideas.

7/2/07, 11:59 AM

Anonymous MarcZ said...

Good for you, Jane! You've shown us all that what you may lack in understanding of the differences between the current immigration situation and the wave preceding it, you more than make up for in cuteness!

7/2/07, 1:17 PM

Anonymous tommy said...

LA is a wreck. Check out the stats for the Los Angeles Unified School District's high schools. I went through all the schools and out of those reporting, there are far fewer making "satisfactory progress" under NCLB than the other way around. The standard for "satisfactory progress" under NCLB clearly isn't rigorous. Many of the schools that failed to make progress rank lower in state test scores than those that did. The situation is so bad that out of 200 high schools, you have to get to the letter 'C' on the list before you find the first school to make the grade. Title I schools dot LAUSD like a serious case of chickenpox.

A typical Title I is the absurdly named Albert Einstein Continuity School. Not too many Einsteins here: the school is 89% Hispanic and reports a drop out rate of 50%. (I emphasis the word "reports" since the same metric gives a state average of only 3%. Maybe they mean "per grade level, K-12!") Yet, judging by API scores, even AECS's students look like geniuses compared to some other schools on the list.

Not too many kids are continuing on at View Park Continuation School. The school is 89% black and reports a 90% dropout rate. It failed to make adequate progress under NCLB, but it isn't listed as a Title I. Maybe there just weren't many kids left to test that poorly.

anonymous,

"Putnam's data is important." "Data," is plural, Steve.

Datum is hardly ever used these days, guy. Data is perfectly acceptable usage, plural or singular.

7/2/07, 1:31 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve:

Richard Posner offers a devastating critique of Putnam in his book "Public Intellectuals". Its offers a penatrating insight into Putnams economy with the actualite and enslavement to PC.

7/2/07, 2:07 PM

Anonymous tommy said...

We'll have to wait to find out, of course, since the Irish ghetto lasted over 150 years.

The Irish ghetto did not last over 150 years. The Irish ghetto constantly diminished over 150 years. Unlike the black and Hispanic ghettos, which seem to constantly grow with no end in sight.

7/2/07, 2:13 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

tommy: The Irish ghetto did not last over 150 years. The Irish ghetto constantly diminished over 150 years.

The folks at the Showtime Network beg to differ:

http://www.sho.com/site/brotherhood/home.do

7/2/07, 2:58 PM

Anonymous fwood1 said...

Showtime's Brotherhood is The Sopranos without the humor.

7/2/07, 4:16 PM

Anonymous Fred said...

"Showtime's Brotherhood is The Sopranos without the humor."

Brotherhood is like The Sopranos with a plot. I liked The Sopranos, but Brotherhood is better.

7/2/07, 8:50 PM

Anonymous JSBolton said...

As diversity goes up in a jurisdiction, community of values will go down.
Without community of values,, trust and fellow-feeling waste away.
The genetic differences increasing between the diversities, also mean that we care less about our neighbors' children and don't want to hear about them.
Women do most of the social talking, and that's what they talk about; so you get less communication even if babelism is not being promoted, and less cooperative activities.

7/2/07, 9:48 PM

Anonymous Mark said...

As diversity goes up in a jurisdiction, community of values will go down. Without community of values,, trust and fellow-feeling waste away.

Culture (including moral values) is like a second language. So in "diverse" societies," every immigrant walks around shouting two languages you can't understand - and while they may eventually learn English, they may never learn the new cultural language, especially if that culture is partly a result of genetics.

Black infidelity, for example? You can see its results reflected all the way back to (at least) the 9th century Kingdom of Ghana, where kingship was determined by matrileneal descent. Why matrilineal decsent? Because infidelity was so rampant that a man never knew that his son was his son - but he always knew that his sister's son was his nephew.

That's one of infinite examples of genetics reflected in culture.

7/3/07, 12:14 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark -- I would be pretty leery of ascribing cultural traits as genetic, simply because humans seem very adaptable to a broad range of cultural behaviors.

There do seem to be certain social organizations that crop up lots of times: tribe/clan being the most basic, then kingship-clan, then finally bureaucratic state for only a few cultures/peoples (because it's hard to do, and do right).

One example would be the disappearance of the nuclear family in Europe. There is a huge proportion of single mothers in Western Europe, including yes non-Immigrant natives. Nearly 40% of German women who have college degrees will never marry. And of course while Ghanian kings may reckon descent matrilinealy, most assuredly their close genetic cousins of Niger do not. Human behavior seems very flexible. Which is probably an inbuilt genetic adaption itself for a social animal in varying environments.

7/3/07, 12:52 AM

Anonymous ST said...

"One striking aspect of the last six weeks' debate is how decisively patriotic immigration reformers won the intellectual battle."

I've not lost an argument since I adopted this approach; simply declare that you have decisively won the debate and insult your opponents. Not only has my success rate skyrocketed, it’s just so easy!

I can’t wait to try it out in other debates.

7/3/07, 1:22 AM

Anonymous jody said...

mexico has 100 million people and is on the border. ireland has 4 million people and is across the ocean. they are not very similar.

we won't have to wait to see how east LA turns out, since every city in the US is soon to have a large population of mexican peasants equal to south boston.

more mexican peasants jump the US border in 10 years than there are people in ireland.

7/3/07, 6:46 AM

Anonymous Mark said...

Mark -- I would be pretty leery of ascribing cultural traits as genetic, simply because humans seem very adaptable to a broad range of cultural behaviors.

There is culture and then there is culture. I like Christmas for example, but if I had been adopted into a Jewish family at birth I might just as easily have liked Hannukah - no genetic change involved.

Some cultural practices are rooted in genes, however. If a particular race or ethnic group finds it very difficult to practice monogamy within marriage, then you will see weak to non-existent cultural institutions that place a high value on marriage.

Likewise, if a population doesn't succeed at academic endeavors then they're not likely to encourage education among their offspring.

Genetics sets the boundaries of what cultures can do. We celebrate America's ability to assimilate immigrants, without acknowledging that the immigrants we were assimilating were basically our cousins. The Irish were very closely related to the English and Scots, for example.

We fail to accept - it is a thought crime to accept - that our newer immigrants may be physically incapable of adopting American cultural practices.

7/3/07, 11:09 PM

Anonymous Mark said...

There is a huge proportion of single mothers in Western Europe, including yes non-Immigrant natives. Nearly 40% of German women who have college degrees will never marry.

Whether German children are born within wedlock or not, I suspect that the number of German men who just plain abandon their children is still very low, especially as compared to the number of black men who do.

7/3/07, 11:12 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also note re current German fertility and family structure that Germany lost a major war just 60 years ago. Being a defeated people has long-lasting repercussions. One, in Germany's case, is the "guilting" (over the Holocaust, over the World War, over being White and Western) that has taken the commanding heights of that country. The feeling "I don't want to bring a child into this world - he might be a second Hitler! Better to have a non-white baby, or none...." hangs in the air like a vague stench.

Don't confuse someone temporarily poisoned by a narcotic and a born retard.

7/5/07, 5:35 AM

Anonymous Jun said...

Diversity is Disunity ... and Dumbness

...and increasing levels of paranoia?:

Paranoia on the rise, experts say

11/12/08, 11:15 AM

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