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"Crown Heights gentrification and the salvation of Oak Park"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why NYC is allowed to save itself and Detroit, Phily not?

1/16/13, 11:36 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is LOTS of money to be made from both White Flight and Gentrification via real estate sales, development, and redevelopment.

That is why quotas have never been used to control it.

1/16/13, 11:44 AM

Anonymous bjdubbs said...

I lived in an apt building in NoVA with a "no block-busting" sign. Considering that the whites in the building could be counted on one hand, and it was a rental building, the sign was probably at least 30 years out of date (40 years?) And yet it was still up there, on the side of the building, near the "report gang activity" sign.

1/16/13, 12:04 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The secret to pushing horrible blacks out is pulling haute blacks in.

If white urbanites tried to push all blacks out, blacks would get pissed, and black elites would lead blacks against ALL whites.
So, whites and Jews must separate the head from the body.
The head is the elites of black community. Body are the masses of blacks.
Black masses sometimes riot and act crazy but never know how to lead themselves. They need people to lead them.
When whites urbanites tended to be wary of all blacks, black leaders led blacks against whites.
But once white urbanites figured out a way to buy off and win over black leaders and elites, the latter were willing to work with whites to get their share while sticking it to lesser blacks. That's how Obama won support of Chicago rich whites and Jews. And Al Sharpton learned the same game, and is even schmoozing with the gays.
So, gentrification is good for urban whites and haute blacks--who are welcomed into the gentrosphere--, but it's not so good for lesser blacks.

But the people who suffer most are suburban whites and working class whites. Though lesser blacks are relocated out of the city via section 8, they get access to white suburbs and white small towns. And all their stuff is paid for by the gubment. Meanwhile, middle class and working class whites find dangerous blacks dumped into their neighborhoods.

Conquis use people of color against Yanquis. It's time white Americans riled up browns in Latin America against conqui whites. It's revenge. If conquis do it to yanquis, yanquis must do it conquis.

And since rich white libs push section 8 on us, we should have rallies calling for section 8 homes to be built in rich white and Jewish areas.
It's time for class revenge.
Libearlism is essentially rich white/Jewish warfare on middle class and working class whites.

And when are we white trash folks gonna have Occupy Harvard by taking over the campus en masse as 'undocumented students'?

The Right lacks a sense of theater.

1/16/13, 12:31 PM

Anonymous Claude Whittier Bogle said...

Let's see now, the Oak Park powers that be exercised strict racial quotas with one Black per block and that has allowed them to swell with pride at their neighborhood's racial diversity.

This is pathetic stuff. I fully support keeping Blacks and Hispanics out of nice neighborhoods. I've seen my own ruined completely when it went majority Hispanic along with a really malignant Black presence.

I moved out as fast as possible because my possessions were no longer safe, the behavior around me was abysmal and the neighborhood became dangerous.

Now there is one Black on my new street. And they are just about as disfunctional as it is possible to be. They are the only house were you hear earth-shaking sub woofers going for hours and hours and hours. The coming and going is extremely suspicious. Their backyard is full of pot plants. Etc.

The real problem is that the Oak Park powers that be can't openly say, "We are keeping this neighborhood White."

Until we can say that, the Leftist tyranny will continue to flourish and metastasize like the deadly social cancer that it is.

One of the most malignant tumors of that cancer is Obama himself. The fact that an affirmative-action parasite like Obama can even be considered for public office is a sign that the U.S. might just be terminal.

1/16/13, 12:42 PM

Anonymous Simon in London said...

"resegregation" - that's just beautiful. People who can use words like that can never lose.

1/16/13, 12:54 PM

Blogger AMac said...

Anybody know offhand the current per-capita homicide rates in Austin and Oak Park?

In ethnic makeup, presumably Austin is stable at >80% black, with some Hispanic.

Is Oak Park's mix stable?

1/16/13, 1:16 PM

OpenID ironrailsironweights said...

Nitpick: using "African American" in the Crown Heights context is incorrect because a high percentage of the blacks in the area are Caribbean.

Peter

1/16/13, 1:19 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This piece leaves out the fact that for probably the last 60 years Oak Park has been dominated by Mafia kingpins. That certainly kept a lid on any black "problems" that might have arisen.

With the decline of Chicago and Illinois overall, and the decline of Big Labor and thus mob power, I expect Oak Clark to eventually go the way of Austin.

1/16/13, 1:22 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Right is so used to defending power and privilege that it still feels protective of power and privilege... even when power and privilege today are concentrated among Jews, gays, and white libs.

Rich Jews and rich lib whites dump on American conservatism, but GOP defends Wall Street and the globalist rich.

It's time for rightist socialism.

1/16/13, 1:30 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you can't block a black, black-a-block.

1/16/13, 1:32 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if there is any tie into the current New York City school bus strike. The bus drivers are mostly minority and certainly by NYC standards very low income. I am wondering if the result of this will be a large scale reduction in the number of paid bus drivers and therefore another exodus of poor blacks from the city.

What happens if there is another situation that requires a bail out and the rest of the country decides not to pay up? So far 9-11, the financial crisis and hurricane Sandy were all big payoffs to the city and all in less than a decade. In some sense the new gun laws are a gift to New York City (and other urban areas) from the agricultural and mineral areas of the US that are currently responsible for most US exports. No bailout and certain white people may discover they are in the middle of a sea of unemployed poor people, many of whom are new immigrants.

1/16/13, 1:53 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

conspiracy to drive out African-Americans doesn't seem too far off the mark.
Two points:
the crown heights riots origins are never mentioned: an hasdic driver hit and killed a black girl, while she lay dying the hasdic jewish only ambulance came and whisked the hasdic guy away - he only had a few scratches.

Yes, there are jewish only ambulances (and buses) in New York and Christmas trees are banned....

second, the hasdic population is exploding in Brooklyn, I predict they will team up with muslims and start enforcing kosher/hal-al laws and enforcing modest dress on women.

Should be entertaining to see in oh-so liberal new york.

1/16/13, 2:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The secret to pushing horrible blacks out is pulling haute blacks in."

I hate to say this, but I think that such blacks are so few and far between--on a statistical level--that you can never get a critical mass of them to feel any sense of self that would actively pus against the black underclass. The Cosbys and Sowells of the world are destined to be iconoclasts.

It works with Hispanics, though. At least, it has worked in decades past when the Hispanics weren't, err, actually Amerinds.

The suburbs between L.A. and San Bernardino--the western Inland Empire--are teeming with middle or working class Hispanics who have by and large rejected the ghetto chuntaro underclass. Hence why they're in the suburbs.

1/16/13, 2:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

...you can never get a critical mass of them to feel any sense of self that would actively pus against the black underclass.

"Pus" is not a verb.

1/16/13, 2:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little OT - but - does anyone remember the 70s black disco/rock group Crown Heights Affair?

1/16/13, 2:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Race quotas to increase the numbers of Designated Victim Groups are good, race quotas to limit their numbers are bad, and that's all you need to know."

It also helps if you have the money and clout to control the media, courts, and academia.

If the average IQ of white conservatives was 120 while those of Jews and gays were 90, I'll bet we'd run things.

1/16/13, 3:03 PM

Blogger slumber_j said...

"This piece leaves out the fact that for probably the last 60 years Oak Park has been dominated by Mafia kingpins." Sam Giancana was killed there, for one...

1/16/13, 3:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The story is about metro Chicago (Oak Park), not New York.

1/16/13, 3:11 PM

Anonymous DirtyTricks said...

I don't know the area or its history.

Other than allowing only one black family per block, what is "white-oriented planning"?
Examples please?
Not allowing for sale signs?

"Oak Park maintained its majority white population through extensive and white-oriented planning,.."

1/16/13, 4:15 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"My recent surmise that the Powers That Be in contemporary New York City can be summed up with some accuracy as a conspiracy to drive out African-Americans doesn't seem too far off the mark."

If this were true, Bloomberg would have razed at least some of NYC's projects by now. But in fact not a single public housing building has been razed. There are projects in the middle of the priciest Brooklyn neighborhoods, there is a project in the middle of the Upper West Side no less. Big financial incentives to do it for a lot of people, yet it hasn't been done.

I know that projects have been razed in Chicago, with the residents being given section 8 vouchers. Has this happened in other cities too? No one's even talking about this in New York.

My assessment of Bloomberg is that he's a stereotypical liberal. Example: he supported the construction of that mosque near the WTC. He's got plenty of hypocrisy, like all liberals, but none of it seems to be conscious with him. I suspect that he consciously believes in every bit of liberal ideology.

1/16/13, 4:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The number of traditional US blacks in NYC has fallen by a lot. But was this because the Giuliani and Bloomberg administrations consciously worked towards that goal?

I suspect that the main motivating factor was a rise in rents. The difference in housing prices between NYC and the rest of the country has increased. Why? Presumably because a lot of wealthy people have moved in, pushing up prices in New York. Why? Upscale people from all over America have always wanted to live in NYC, but they used to be scared off by crime. For whatever reason crime dropped all over the country starting in the early 1990s, so it became less dangerous to fulfill that particular SWPL dream. Why did crime drop? Probably more imprisonment + abortion + who knows what else.

1/16/13, 4:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

My father spent roughly 1961-1966 in Oak Park and he still has a friend or two there and had a friend or two by Lake Michigan (Gold Coast I think) until a few years ago. It sounded like a nice area, except for the Cubs.

Risto

1/16/13, 4:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Moron who wrote the following along with other nonsense:

Two points: the crown heights riots origins are never mentioned: an hasdic driver hit and killed a black girl, while she lay dying the hasdic jewish only ambulance came and whisked the hasdic guy away - he only had a few scratches

The reason why this is "never mentioned" is because when it comes to jooz (and probably a lot of other things) you don't know what you're talking about. The wikipedia article that Steve LINKED TO mentions the origins of the riots in deep detail.

Learn to read before you write.

1/16/13, 5:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If this were true, Bloomberg would have razed at least some of NYC's projects by now. But in fact not a single public housing building has been razed. There are projects in the middle of the priciest Brooklyn neighborhoods, there is a project in the middle of the Upper West Side no less. Big financial incentives to do it for a lot of people, yet it hasn't been done."

Good point. I think libs cannot simply raze and push out all blacks. What they are trying to do is contain the rot.
So yes, there are projects but they aren't expanded and the surrounding area is gentrified so that the urban rot will be held in check.
So, there are ponds of poverty that don't flood into a lake.
It's like population damming or irrigation. You can't totally drain the swamp but you can control its size.

Dam the dang.

Chicago is a special case because so many of the projects were built in one massive area. Daley wanted it that way to keep the blacks where they are.

1/16/13, 6:04 PM

Blogger roundeye said...

Lookup the articles about the acheivement gap at Oak Park River Forest High School
. They can't seem to figure out why there is an achievement gap between the races
.

Fools.

1/16/13, 6:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are projects in the middle of the priciest Brooklyn neighborhoods,
he has been slowly purging them of blacks and replacing them with chinese.

1/16/13, 6:53 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

. The wikipedia article that Steve LINKED TO
oh yes, and very fairly covered too, like like most wikipedia articles concerning scots-irish.

1/16/13, 6:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Right lacks a sense of theater.


The word you are looking for is dignity.

1/16/13, 7:39 PM

Blogger Whiskey said...

Steve, both Oak Park and NYC are Pyrrhic victories. Chicago as a whole is doomed. It is pure fantasy to think that Chicago's gang members will simply restrain themselves to the south and west. They will move north and east as well. I would not give you two cents for the long-term (10 + years) value of real estate even the best in both cities.

NYC has a politically (a Dem will soon be mayor) unsustainable stop and frisk policy, with a growing Caribbean Hispanic underclass and a large group of poor, angry Black people sensing victory. If Blacks formed flash mobs and beat the hell out of people in say, Times Square, do you honestly think the NYPD would be allowed to shoot?

Same with Oak Park, those murders won't just respect boundaries. Guys who will shoot up toddlers who look like their cousins won't quibble at the odd home invasion followed by more. Come in stealth, come in force, avoid the video cameras, dominate and humiliate, weak and defenseless mostly White suburbanites? Utterly predictable.

1/16/13, 8:04 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Hasidic ambulance service would not pickup any non Hasidic person?

Pinker, Chomsky, Whiskey, me...?

goatweed

1/16/13, 10:24 PM

Anonymous Uncle Peregrine said...

The _Encyclopedia of Chicago_ sounded awesome, but I've never actually seen a copy. Thank you for the post that shows that it really is.

1/16/13, 11:07 PM

Anonymous Brazilian said...

No Christmas tree in NYC??

1/17/13, 12:03 AM

Anonymous Silver said...

In ethnic makeup, presumably Austin is stable at >80% black, with some Hispanic.

If you go here http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/explorer and type in Austin, IL you'll get the racial breakdown by block. If you go to Google Maps and type in Austin, IL you can find the borders of that neighborhood. Based on this it looks like about 4 square miles of 90%+ blackness, with significant chunks of it 98% black.

It's unreal what a 'border' Austin Blvd seems to form between Austin and Oak Park. It's hardly a major thoroughfare. I don't think it qualifies as even a minor arterial road. Yet on one side it's 98% black and on the other majority white (sadly not 98% white). It's the kind of thing that gives me hope that if enough people wanted official resegregation (with ample allowances for mixed neighborhoods, you figure) it would not be hard to achieve; what's lacking is the will (and good sense/understanding).

1/17/13, 1:19 AM

Anonymous Cail Corishev said...

I hate to say this, but I think that such blacks are so few and far between--on a statistical level--that you can never get a critical mass of them to feel any sense of self that would actively push against the black underclass. The Cosbys and Sowells of the world are destined to be iconoclasts.

I've mentioned this before, and since you mention Cosby: in a 70s movie like Let's Do It Again, you have a working/middle-class group of blacks large enough to support a lodge. The men are married, have jobs and cars, and dress well. There are all the signs of a healthy society owned and operated by blacks.

So what happened to those people? My guess is that affirmative action, quotas, busing, and so on, moved the most capable ones off into "white" society and the suburbs, draining those neighborhoods of their best people. So instead of having the 25% of blacks with IQs of 100+ living in black neighborhoods and being their leaders, they get sprinkled throughout the suburbs where the only influence they have on other blacks is if they become community organizers.

1/17/13, 6:42 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

jews also get their own taxpayer funded police force:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/orthodox_cops_separate_and_unequal_KC3tF7T2mdzkNO7 AQ03mIJ#ixzz1ThorTFtD



Orthodox cops: Separate and unequal
New York City should stop funding separate, private police forces for Jews
By MICHAEL LESHER




Earlier this month, a horrified New York City reeled under the news that 8-year-old Leiby Kletzky, a Hasidic boy in Brooklyn’s Borough Park, had been abducted on his way home from a nearby day camp and, the next evening, smothered to death and dismembered by his captor, who was also an Orthodox Jew.

The public got a second shock when it learned that Leiby’s disappearance was only belatedly reported to the police, and that a privately run, Orthodox Jewish “patrol” called Shomrim reportedly had video evidence that went unused during the crucial hours before the murder, while untrained Jewish laymen tried to handle the investigation themselves.


And now comes what ought to be shock No. 3: Jewish vigilante groups like Shomrim, unskilled and ill-equipped for police work, and all too often driven by religious proscriptions to keep their community’s crimes out of the public eye, are being paid to interfere with the authorities by New York City taxpayers — through the generous offices of some City Council members.

1/17/13, 8:35 AM

Anonymous Gringo said...

roundeye
Lookup the articles about the acheivement gap at Oak Park River Forest High School.

There is an article from 2003 which gives numbers about the achievement gap at Oak Park River Forest High School.

In a cursory look at more recent articles about the achievement gap at Oak Park River Forest High School, no numbers are given.

Apparently in recent years the achievement gap can be mentioned, but it is not polite/politically correct to state numbers which show the magnitude of the gap.

While Oak Park is a "suburb" of Chicago, the population density of Oak Park -11,037 /sq mi- is about the same as the city of Chicago- 11,874.

It would be interesting to compare black academic achievement in Oak Park compared to the adjacent Austin neighborhood of Chicago.

1/17/13, 9:26 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Oak Park had gone 85% for Romney, Obama might have made noises about having to integrate their neighborhood. But they protected their interests by going with the mulatto kid.

1/17/13, 2:22 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Cail Corishev;

I don't think 25% of blacks have 100+ I.Q.'s. I think the percentage would be a lot lower.

1/17/13, 7:29 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think 25% of blacks have 100+ I.Q.'s. I think the percentage would be a lot lower.

It's about 15%.


1/17/13, 10:21 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-iePNyoSW0

http://lyricstranslate.com/en/fuer-mich-solls-rote-rosen-regnen-it-should-rain-red-roses-me.html

1/17/13, 10:59 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And now comes what ought to be shock No. 3: Jewish vigilante groups like Shomrim, unskilled and ill-equipped for police work, and all too often driven by religious proscriptions to keep their community’s crimes out of the public eye, are being paid to interfere with the authorities by New York City taxpayers — through the generous offices of some City Council members.

Jews did the same in Alexandria during the Greco-Roman period, read the Emperor Cladius letter about the jews... nothing changed.

1/18/13, 3:15 AM

Anonymous MaMu1977 said...

@CailCorishev

Got it in one. As soon as welfare became accessible by Unwed mothers, black people with money began to run away from black neighbourhoods. Why? Simply put, Unwed mothers fall into two types: negligent due to overwork and negligent due to stupidity/selfishness (the ridiculously high levels of feminist indoctrination that most of the women received pre and post-receipt of benefits didn't help, either.)

So, when the single mothers began popping up, two scenarios became incredibly common.
1. Unmarried "I can have it all!", workaholics who were insulted by the idea that their child(ren) were anything but perfect. Their untethered kids (who the women believed were being taken care of by Uncle Sugar) would run rampant. When the older men would try to supply some discipline, the feminism-replete mothers would respond by declaring this men "child molesters" and "patriarchal oppressors", leading black men with families to "go their own way".

2. Unmarried "If my heart says it's right, it must *be* right!", hedonists who did what unfettered women with guaranteed housing and food budgets are known to do (namely, pursue hot guys, hang out all night abusing drugs, bring their enablers home as role models for their child{ren}, etc.) Those children became the proto-criminals/gang leaders who turned most urban neighbourhoods into slaughterhouses. When rebuked by their elders, the elders received the same treatment as with the first group (child molestation claims, etc.)

1/18/13, 3:45 PM

Anonymous MaMu1977 said...

My own childhood was a step-by-step document of what happened in the black community.
When I was a small child, my (still married) mother has no problem with me going to my friends' houses. When she decided to divorce, suddenly I couldn't go over to their houses unless their mothers were home (and I had to make sure to come home if their mothers went to the store and left us unsupervised with their fathers.) When she suffered an accident and was "convinced" to apply for Section 8/disability, suddenly I wasn't allowed to go into "men's homes" *at all*, *for any reason*, for fear of molestation (in retrospect, my mother's comments about not letting my friends' fathers "touch me" was a misunderstood sign.) But it all started when she entered the government money trap (initially through the divorce lawyers, then engulfed by the welfare matrix.)

But, from that viewpoint, it all begins to make sense.
Give single mothers free money, then make them sit through multiple sessions of male neutral to misandric speeches to collect that money , create ghettos for the "newly liberated" single mothers to spread the information, then watch and wait for the renaissance. If the mothers do well in the absence of fathers (lol), trumpet the findings. If the mothers do badly, trumpet the need for "more money", "more police", "more counselors", "more more more!" It's a win-win situation *if you're dealing with the government*.

1/18/13, 4:15 PM

Anonymous SFG said...

"No Christmas tree in NYC??"

Hardly.

http://www.rockefellercenter.com/tour-and-explore/the-tree-at-rockefeller-center/

1/18/13, 4:18 PM

Anonymous MaMu1977 said...

Then again, the behaviours are thoroughly predictable.
You create an environment in which black children are not only (essentially) unsupervised, but are taught from kindergarten that "If it feels good (and a *man* isn't forcing you to do it), do it!", and any people who tell you not to do something are demonised as "oppressive" or "racist", you're going to end up with dysfunction. You're going to end up with girls who chase bad boys, boys who become bad boys to get those girls, leading girls to chase the baddest/"realest" of the bad boys, leading to boys becoming badder to attract more girls, which ends up with a scenario in which even the poorest and least suitable of girls won't pay any attention to any non-exceptional boy (good or bad). So, the boys with innate talent get first pick (the athletes, singers, pretty nous, etc.), the "bad boys" pick up the second-rate girls (and randomly cuckold the guys with the "good girls"), and the rest of the boys get nothing. Unfortunately in this scenario, being "bad" becomes much easier than being "good" (rudeness is easier than changing your looks, drawing graffiti is easier than getting good enough at a sport to make the school team, selling drugs on your own time is easier than getting a job with a set schedule, owning a gun and shooting people is less dangerous than actually standing up to a bully who will hit back...) And the entire area turns to trash because the mothers are either overwhelmed or negligent.

1/18/13, 4:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't been to Crown Heights in over a decade, but I used to go there every weekend with my father to buy paint at a very good discount. The store was near where the old Ebbets Field was, next to the extrordinarily violent Empire Rollerdome, and the view from the main roads we traveled was one of unrelenting ugliness - this working class suburban white was fascinated by it. What wasn't broken, was run down and dirty. If that place can gentrify, there is hope for everywhere.

I don't know why down and out Brooklyn had this incredible resurgence and not the Bronx. I guess the "Bronx is Burning" era drove off EVERY white person of influence. My friend from Westchester told me that he noticed when he was younger that northern suburbanites always considered Brooklyn to be the last place you'd ever want to get abandoned while Long Islanders feared The Bronx.

1/19/13, 8:30 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I don't know why down and out Brooklyn had this incredible resurgence and not the Bronx."

Brownstones. They're beautiful and there are a lot of them in Brooklyn. Gentrified Brooklyn is sometimes called "brownstone Brooklyn". Hipsters are the world's primary producers of ugly "art", yet they love good 19th century architecture, which is an example of real art. Just one more bit of hypocrisy in their ueber-hypocritical lives.

I think the Bronx is mostly made up of those boxy, ugly 6 and 7 storey brick apartment buildings. There are small neighborhoods like that in Brooklyn too, and they haven't been gentrified.

1/20/13, 9:02 AM

Anonymous MaMu1977 said...

*All* of Brooklyn is being gentrified. During my childhood, Caribbean immigrants bought up all of the houses in my neighbourhood (average house cost-$50K). Now, in 2013, the average cost for a house in this section of Brooklyn is $500K. As the current residents have hit their 60's, there are plenty of hipsters and Scots-Irish waving 6-figure checks in their faces. My old neighbours are moving back to the islands as virtual millionaires ($400,000 lasts a lot longer in Curaçao than in NYC.) My new neighbours, well, they're "making changes".

1/20/13, 4:27 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, there are a lot of bad Mexican suburbs in La: East La, Huntington Park and Maywood. Orange County has a lot of low class Mexicans in Anaheim and Santa Ana. The older towns in the 1970's in La and Santa Ana and Anaheim suffered because you no longer could put up barriers against minorties to rent or buy.

1/21/13, 6:31 AM

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