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"KIPP, again"

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Anonymous Harry Baldwin said...

Obviously, the whole point of KIPP is for middle class white people like Mr. Levin to beat some middle class white values into the heads of lower class blacks and Hispanics.

Yes, amazing how the SWPL crowd ALWAYS denies this. They embrace diversity while insisting that the objects of their devotion adopt SWPL values; in their own way they're no different from 19th-century missionaries. They can't accept, for example, that blacks would vote for California's Prop 8 because they're really not that crazy about gay people. Or that Michael Vick's enthusiasm for dog fighting really doesn't bother underclass blacks or Mexicans. Or that misogyny and vulgarity are what blacks LIKE about rap music. Or that black kids do not aspire to be architects and engineers despite Nice White Lady teachers constantly insisting that they should.

9/14/11, 9:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The resilient character traits matter a lot than most people here would acknowledge.

9/14/11, 10:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The resilient character traits matter a lot than most people here would acknowledge."

"Resilient character traits" being...? Genetics?

9/14/11, 10:18 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dude, this was one of the more interesting "help all kids get an education" piece of yours and i was still pretty damn boring. You're usually a great read but you have a real hardon for sports and a raging hardon for education. Hey, write what you want but I gotta wonder how many of your readers are similar to myself as being cerebral non-fathers who don't give a shit what either a bunch of maladjusted negroes do on a sportsfield or what anyone's kid is doing anywhere.

Obviously with high school progeny your mileage will vary but I'm gonna guess that there's a whole lotta 30-something white guys like me out there reading you who roll our eyes when yet another piece on "education" hijacks 3/4 of our screen.

9/14/11, 10:28 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Resilient character traits are probably determined by genetics and environment, just like IQ. One reasons for the weaker than expected IQ-income correlation is likely that it doesn't factor in these other traits. I'd bet if self control, industriousness, and everything else were factored in, the correlation would be pretty high.

I've never noticed that smart people are especially successful, but it does seem like those with drive and self-discipline go pretty far. Environment matters less than liberals will acknowledge, but growing up in the ghetto with bad parents or being brought up in the third world can have a detrimental effect more severe than many here would think. However, if the comparison were between a middle class and upper middle class American kid with functional families, environment might only make a small difference.

9/14/11, 10:53 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I gotta wonder how many of your readers are similar to myself as being cerebral non-fathers who don't give a shit what either a bunch of maladjusted negroes do on a sportsfield or what anyone's kid is doing anywhere.

If you care about HBD, you should care about kids as well.

9/15/11, 6:47 AM

Anonymous JSM said...

"Hey, write what you want but I gotta wonder how many of your readers are similar to myself as being cerebral non-fathers who don't give a shit what either a bunch of maladjusted negroes do on a sportsfield or what anyone's kid is doing anywhere."

Hey, 30-something White guy who doesn't give a shit what the kids are doing:

When you are 80-something and you can't find anyone qualified to change your soiled bedsheets, much the less change your catheter or change your chemo regimen, DO think back with fondness upon your wonderful 30-something devil-may-care attitude.

Meanwhile, us cerebral extremely NOT non-parents, are scrambling to get our gifted kids educated at a price that won't leave us destitute in our old age nor sentence our offspring to live in school-debt peonage.

9/15/11, 7:00 AM

Anonymous Bob Arctor said...

It's absolutely stunning, jaded and cynical as I am, that someone would have the utter lunatic nerve to come onto someone else's site to imperiously and haughtily dictate what the author should and should not write on, as if we paid for any of this and are entitled to make demands.

9/15/11, 7:15 AM

Anonymous Bob Arctor said...

"Obviously with high school progeny your mileage will vary but I'm gonna guess that there's a whole lotta 30-something white guys like me out there reading you who roll our eyes when yet another piece on "education" hijacks 3/4 of our screen."

No, there's certainly not a "whole lot" of high-IQ men in their mid to late 30's (and older) without children. By age 39 only 10% of professional class men are childless.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0410/p18s01-lifp.html

9/15/11, 7:23 AM

Blogger gwern said...

Conscientiousness/Grit is often underestimated, though it's so valuable and Duckworth is not the first to find that it adds a lot to IQ's predictive value (http://www.gwern.net/About#fn34).

The Duckworth paper introducing Grit: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~duckwort/images/Grit%20JPSP.pdf

> Resilient character traits are probably determined by genetics and environment, just like IQ. One reasons for the weaker than expected IQ-income correlation is likely that it doesn't factor in these other traits. I'd bet if self control, industriousness, and everything else were factored in, the correlation would be pretty high.

This is very true, according to the Terman study. Once you factor in Conscientiousness and Extroversion, you've captured a ton of lifetime success. (This is distressing news for introverts like me.)

See http://www.iza.org/conference_files/CoNoCoSk2011/gensowski_m6556.pdf or http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/04/earnings-effects-of-personality.html if you don't like PDFs.

9/15/11, 7:26 AM

Anonymous bjdubbs said...

KIPP schools sound an awful lot like the stricter Catholic schools. Next they'll be teaching Latin. There's a billionaire called Robert Wilson who gave a big gift to Catholic schools in NY for precisely that reason, because Catholic schools are the best at this sort of thing.

http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/article.asp?article=1621

"Catholic schools were brought to Wilson’s attention by what must be history’s most outrageously successful direct-mail fundraising letter. “I got this letter from Susan George, the executive director of the Inner-City Scholarship Fund,” Wilson explains. “It was just a form letter from a mass mailing. It pointed out how little Catholic schools cost per student—and how superior their results are.”

9/15/11, 9:25 AM

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