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"Low Scoring and Narrative Convenience"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Goliath's mistake was in not establishing the rules of the contest. As the big guy, he had a natural advantage in most conflicts that don't involve missiles. All the Philistines had to do was specify weapons - say clubs. Different results.

David and Goliath is a cliche for the wrong moral. That fight was not about big versus little but about the need for pre-fight negotiations.

Albertosaurus

6/29/10, 4:19 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are a lot of stats used in football, by coaches and managers. They're just not often used in Anglo sports journalism.

There are companies devoted to tracking the statistics of professional league games. But again this information rarely reaches the public.

Spain and Italy have whole newspapers devoted to soccer, I'd guess they might be more statistical but I've never read one. Perhaps someone who has could clarify.

Fifa have some nice statistics to accompany the World Cup, including distance each player ran during the match, top speed (in many matches defenders, not forwards run fastest), as well as usual, shots, corners, fouls etc. Another neat feature - if you click on the player's name there is a 'heatmap' impression of where on the pitch he ran throughout the game.

http://www.fifa.com/live/competitions/worldcup/matchday=19/day=1/match=300061498/index.html

6/29/10, 4:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve,

I think you've really hit it on the head about why soccer is so popular. There are few games that aren't a fluke goal from having a different outcome so even the losers can point to a handful of things that would have changed the result.

But I don't think you've mentioned one of the real benefits: the game is a set length. There's a couple minutes of injury time, but basically everything is over in under 2 hours, including halftime.

That's a perfect amount of time and avoids the major drawback of US sports where the last 3 minutes of clock time can take a half hour to get through. You get a little excitement, enough downtime to talk to your friends about what just happened and then time to go celebrate or complain with other fans. That's a pretty attractive package.

6/29/10, 7:28 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another way that soccer differs from the popular North American sports is that there's only 1 real break in the action, if you need to go to the bathroom/get some food or drink/make a phone call etc.

Basketball you only really need to watch the last 5 minutes of the game, football has plenty of downtime, hockey has enough scoring that you can risk missing 1 goal, and baseball is just plain boring.

6/29/10, 8:59 PM

Anonymous asdfasdfasdf said...

Bring back dodgeball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEAAVyL0nK4

6/29/10, 9:25 PM

Anonymous Rex Little said...

I'm no soccer fan, but I don't understand why every game isn't 1-0. Can't the first team to score line up everyone in front of their goal and block it off completely?

6/29/10, 9:27 PM

OpenID ironrailsironweights said...

the major drawback of US sports where the last 3 minutes of clock time can take a half hour to get through

It's really just football and basketball which are like that. Baseball is a different thing entirely, with its leisurely clock-less pace being part of its charm.

Peter

6/29/10, 9:42 PM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

Baseball is a snoozy summer game. For awhile, I got roped into going to a lot of April baseball games at Wrigley Field with the wind howling off Lake Michigan, and that's not the way to watch baseball.

October baseball, when every pitch matters, is a different game from July baseball.

6/30/10, 1:56 AM

Anonymous MacSweeney said...

I'm no soccer fan, but I don't understand why every game isn't 1-0. Can't the first team to score line up everyone in front of their goal and block it off completely?

No, that wouldn't work. You remind me of non-hockey fans who say, "Why don't they just hire some really fat guy to be the goalie so he can block the whole net?

6/30/10, 6:29 AM

Anonymous DanJ said...

Albertosaurus: "Goliath's mistake was in not establishing the rules of the contest."

Then again, maybe he did, but the event was overseen by some recent World Cup referee. "What sling? I saw no sling, and neither did my linesmen. Hey big guy, quit acting and get up already"

6/30/10, 7:00 AM

Anonymous poolside said...

Like a lot of American soccer fans, I came to the sport late -- the result of my daughter playing.

But once I learned to understand and appreciate soccer, traditional American sports became unwatchable.

Four and a half hours on a Sunday to watch the NFL, with its 11-12 minutes of action and never-ending string of commercials? No thanks.

It's not just a time thing, either.

When a soccer player scores a goal, it's clearly an achievement worth celebrating. In the NFL, players preen and dance every time they tackle someone or run for three yards.

6/30/10, 7:10 AM

Blogger Lafayette said...

My wife said: "That doesn't help me understand why people like soccer. It only helps me understand why football is stupid."

6/30/10, 9:10 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sailer you seem to have a big complex over why American football isn't a more popular game globally, and you feel a need to justify it by constantly bashing soccer.

6/30/10, 10:38 AM

Anonymous JD said...

stats in football (soccer) are purely for betting purposes
TV and newspaper ads offer odds on number of goals. corners, offsides, yellow cards etc. Only hardcore gamblers are interested in such things. The rest of us enjoy the game.

7/1/10, 11:06 AM

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