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"It's time to rewrite the history books"

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Anonymous little timmy said...

I only understand the effectiveness of Soviet spies because I can understand how I would have been one of them. On those grounds, you can paradoxically get retroactively conservative.

It would have been very easy to attibute Stalinist atrocities to propaganda...otherwise, I would have termperamentally sided with..."significant change requires extreme brutality, by human nature. Stalin is right, and furthermore he won the war, and probably does what is just." Americans and Britains weren't selling much of interest, back then. Wesrern leaders looked like a feeble little cabal of affluent interests...and that's what they were. Of course, their critiques of Stalin were also dead-on.

Stalin did win the war, btw.

11/12/07, 10:21 PM

Anonymous Bill said...

Isn't it curious how one often has to wait for people to die before the truth comes out?

Too often, truth is treason to the living, and sometimes even to the dead.

11/12/07, 11:26 PM

Anonymous daveg said...

Hmmm, how do we know that certain people don't think that "America ... is not selling much of interest" right now?

I love that answer. After decades of denial it is, "of course "we" were spying. You didn't actually belive the stuff we were saying, did you?"

Fifty years from now it will be "of course we were pushing for the interests of Israel at the expense of the United States. Whatever gave you the impression otherwise?"

Yeah, yeah, we don't mean "everyone".

11/12/07, 11:33 PM

Anonymous le biel said...

Yes: Chess



No: Checkers

11/13/07, 1:34 AM

Blogger Brian said...

It is amazing how so many are using this as an opportunity to defend the Rosenberg's simply because they were not as effective as Koval.

But perhaps they have a point.

Being the avid follower of Alan Dershowitz, I have to conclude that death may not have been best for the Rosenbergs. Torture would have been a better response, so as to elicit the names of all of the other spies they were working with. Perhaps they would have given up Koval after extensive waterboarding?

Ethel would have been relatively easy to break, one would think.

Clearly more was at stake then than now, so if torture was ever justified is was at that time.

11/13/07, 2:05 AM

Anonymous dearieme said...

Given how blabby American government is, isn't it odd that it is capable of keeping secret some of its own incompetence? Could that be because it is incompetence that nonetheless shines an unforgiving light on the Left?

11/13/07, 2:30 AM

Anonymous A. Hitler said...

Was there a single communist spy who wasn't Jewish or married to a Jew in the Manhattan project?

Even the 40s spy's that weren't Jewish had some Jewish connection. Chambers was married to a Jew, and was converted to Communism by Jews at Columbia while Hiss came to Communism through Frankfurter at Harvard.

Koval, Hall, Rosenberg, Oppenhemier, White, the list goes on and on.

11/13/07, 3:42 AM

Blogger invisible lizard said...

Would make a great Hollywood movie, think it will ever be made? Not likely, communism has gone down the memory hole for some reason.

11/13/07, 6:18 AM

Anonymous Rosamund said...

I found the comment of James Haygood of New York to be more interesting than the story of the spy, which makes me tend to believe that what he posits is close to the truth.

11/13/07, 7:41 AM

Anonymous francis k said...

>This fanciful chain of one-in-a-million coincidences points to one logical explanation: namely, one or more Soviet operatives placed in the Army command to steer Koval into the atomic bomb project<

the nyt reader is correct. the fanatical jewish-american support for the soviet union is the great scandal of the 20th century. the rosenbergs were the tip of the iceberg. it was so much worse than the public is led to believe. the yalta conference stands as towering evidence that the roosevelt administration was a compromised government acting in the interests of the soviets to the extent possible.

google "venona project". venona has been flushed down the memory hole by our commissars. the subject of this nyt article a supposedly isolated army officer was part of an organized fifth column that got away with it.

as has been pointed out here before a great website for information on "secular" jewish political activism in the usa is http://www.philipweiss.org/

11/13/07, 8:18 AM

Anonymous David Davenport said...

Historians of the future may decide that much-reviled Senator Joe McCarthy wasn't as wrong as he has been made out to be.

11/13/07, 8:54 AM

Anonymous jimbo said...

I love how half the comments on the NYT board celebrate the guy for preventing Amerikkka frrom keepin a monopoly on the Bomb, while the other half use this to defend the Rosenbergs.

I always forget that the NYT is written by and for the inhabitants of the Twilight Zone...

11/13/07, 9:20 AM

Blogger Luke said...

Steve,

You've written a lot about Jewish intelligence and influence. But what strikes me is how politically naive a lot of the smartest and the most influential Jews have turned out to be over a whole range of issues. Any theories?

11/13/07, 10:21 AM

Anonymous tommy said...

Was there a single communist spy who wasn't Jewish or married to a Jew in the Manhattan project?

Relax. It may no longer be for the sake of the working masses, but these days illegal immigrants and Muslims (and illegal immigrant Muslims) are getting involved in the game too. Ain't multiculturalism great?

11/13/07, 4:31 PM

Anonymous Martin said...

"Koval, Hall, Rosenberg, Oppenhemier, White, the list goes on and on.

11/13/2007 3:42 AM"

Other than the demented heresay ramblings of a retired (and probably senile) Soviet secret-policeman peddling a book-deal, there is no reason to suppose that Oppenheimer was a spy. Oppenheimer was a loyal American, and genuinely came to distrust the communists.

Klaus Fuchs - a german quaker by birth (and a communist by conviction), and one of the worst of the atomic spies.

11/13/07, 4:46 PM

Anonymous A. Hitler said...

Regarding Oppenhemier,

1) He was a member of the communist party.

2) His wife was a commie, His brother was a commie, his mistress was a commie, his sister-in-law was a commie. 2 of his graduate assistants were commies.

3) He recommended communists for the manhattan project. He knew his brother Frank had been approached by the GRU, but said nothing.

4) He didn't want to build the H-bomb, lax security didn't bother him, he wanted to "share" and he wanted to share the A-bomb with the Soviets.

5)Strauss (Jewish) thought he was disloyal. Teller thought him loyal but thought his refusal to go ahead on the H-bomb "strange". Hoover wanted him gone.

6) Had "Oppie" been a soviet spy he would have acted just as he did.

7) Had it not been for Chambers, we'd still be arguing whether Hiss was a spy. Truman knew the truth about Hiss and White but kept it a secret.

8) Maybe "Oppie" was a loyal American but commonsense says no.

11/13/07, 7:17 PM

Anonymous tommy said...

Klaus Fuchs - a german quaker by birth (and a communist by conviction), and one of the worst of the atomic spies.

Good example. Fuchs wasn't he only one spying at Los Alamos. Theodore Hall (who was Jewish) and others were also doing the same. Another spy, Lona Cohen, relayed information between Hall and Soviet handlers. Cohen and her husband were part of the British-based Portland Spy Ring. Other members of this ring were Gordon Lonsdale, Ethel Gee, and Harry Houghton. None of the latter three were Jewish to the best of my knowledge.

11/13/07, 10:55 PM

Anonymous George Smiley said...

The factories refined polonium 210, a highly radioactive material used in initiators to help start the bomb’s chain reaction.

Good old polonium-210, still popular with "ex"-KGB man Vladimir Putin when he wants to kill somebody.

11/14/07, 1:00 AM

Anonymous A. Hitler said...

Gordon Lonsdale real name was Konon Trofimovich Molody. He was part Jewish and lived in California for 10 years with his aunt before going back to the USSR prior to WW II.

11/14/07, 3:15 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, commenters, for making it totally impossible for anyone who isn't already convinced of the power of the Israel lobby to read this post without freaking out.

If you all know so much about Soviet propaganda and how effective it was, how come you can't learn anything from it?

11/14/07, 12:55 PM

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