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"Dog Breeds and Race"

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Blogger mnuez said...

I'm reserving judgment on this for the moment, but the possibilities here are so goddamn fascinating.

I don't mean to say that it's fascinating that there may be innate difference among human beings - such is evident from anyone who's ever spoken to more than one human. But to be able to analyze racial averages for various proclivities (whether on meaningful subjects or not) would be really cool. (Likely not terribly instructive, but still cool

Thanks for pointing us to the article.

mnuez

3/27/08, 1:16 AM

Anonymous milam command said...

This dog breed/human race analogy is extremely important.

Anyone who can understand the differences between dog breeds (and almost everyone with exposure to dogs can) can understand, quickly and intuitively, the differences between the human races. Not only are dog breeds "a construct zoologically and genetically equivalent to a race of man ," but thinking about dog breeds vis a vis human races is a tremendously illuminating analogy, a way of understanding the subject at both a gut and intellectual level.

If you say "Greyhounds generally run faster than Border Collies, but Border Collies generally are smarter than Greyhounds," that is easily understood and uncontroversial. Yet insert "African American" and "Asian" into those blanks, and let the fireworks begin.

Much more thinking and writing needs to be done on this subject.

3/27/08, 4:05 AM

Anonymous benn franklyn said...

Infants and young kids in the first few years of life are amazing in that so much personality is already active and on display. Some is learning, but it always seems as if it is learning that the child is predisposed to seek and grasp.

Same goes for gender differences. I always get the impression that the kids impose the roles on themselves far more than PC adults do, contrary to what sociologists claim. Little boys will insist things like "That's a girl toy!" or "My smile isn't pretty, I'm handsome!"

And kids definitely react to skin color, sometimes really embarassing their parents. I have seen a 3 year old white boy with a black nanny. Every time the nanny would kiss the boy's infant brother, the child would go and kiss his brother himself. When asked why, the child explained that it was so his brother did not turn black! This is in a very PC household, but the child was apparently reacting viscerally to skin color.

Any other readers have stories about this?

3/27/08, 4:57 AM

Anonymous neil craig said...

In science results are expected to be repeatable. Unfortunately in the "social sciences" experiments with politically incorrect results tend not to be repeated, as appears to have happened here.

Nonetheless if this result is correct it certainly indicates a genetic rather than cultural difference & does explain much about Chinese culture & its failure to match western achievements despite their higher IQs.

3/27/08, 5:14 AM

Anonymous tommy said...

Sounds like something I've read before from Rushton. Race, Evolution and Human Behavior had a bunch of interesting comparisons of this nature.

3/27/08, 5:51 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just wish our politicians paid more attention to such scientific findings and they would have avoid domestic or international policy blunder.

Neocon's export of democracy is one of exmaple. So are those so called human right activitists and hollywood pretty faces with average IQ.

Only truely intelligent people understand science and make right decisions. Unfortunately, politicians are populists which make desisions appealing to average IQ.

3/27/08, 8:28 AM

Anonymous Svigor said...

Yeah, dogs breeds are the king of analogies in this context.

I wonder if anyone can expand on Miele here:

[Human racial differences] are around ten times the difference between the sexes within each race and larger than the differences that distinguish the two species of chimpanzee.

Is he still referring to RtRoHD here, or referring to current research, or what? Does it reflect research since 2004 (which, if IRC, has significantly changed the landscape)?

Basenjis do not lack canine IQ, but they are at the opposite pole from the Shelties in conscientiousness. They don't like taking orders from their owners. They are born canine scofflaws.

Throw Chows right into that mix. Several of my roommates in my school years owned dogs, and none of them had a lick of brains (the owners, not the dogs), so I always wound up housetraining them, sometimes in adulthood. The Chow was the only one I couldn't break. That thing was more wolf than dog. It was the worst-behaved and responded not at all to my (amateur) training.

3/27/08, 10:04 AM

Blogger Truth said...

"To look at us, my wife and I [Freedman is Jewish; his wife Chinese], my wife and I were clearly of two different breeds."

He may believe in racial differences, but he also believes in multiculturalism!

3/27/08, 4:17 PM

Anonymous tommy said...

Throw Chows right into that mix. Several of my roommates in my school years owned dogs, and none of them had a lick of brains (the owners, not the dogs), so I always wound up housetraining them, sometimes in adulthood. The Chow was the only one I couldn't break. That thing was more wolf than dog. It was the worst-behaved and responded not at all to my (amateur) training.

Asian dogs are almost invariably hard to train, semi-feral, and unfriendly -- even the smallest ones. Chows are easily among the least pleasant breeds of dog I've ever encountered. I don't understand what anyone might see in the breed: they're bad-tempered (I would even say passive-aggressive), unpredictable, untrainable, and rather ugly.

Terriers are usually aggressive and very difficult to train. Fortunately, most are small. My Doberman is aggressive and territorial but highly trainable. When he was a few weeks old he was very snappy and would draw blood. A few weeks of training quickly stopped that, which is relief because he is now an athletic 90 lb. man-stopper.

By way of contrast, a relative had to find a new home for his terrier because he just couldn't get the dog to stop biting and tackling his young kids every time they ran around the backyard. Nothing seemed to perturb the shaggy little terrorist. Maybe the Dog Whisperer could pull it off. Maybe not.

3/28/08, 12:00 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"In a maneuver called the "defense reaction" by neurologists, the baby's nose was briefly pressed with a cloth, forcing him to breathe with his mouth ... the average Chinese babies in the study. They simply lay on their back, breathing from the mouth, "accepting" the cloth without a fight."

This might explain why footbinding lasted for 1,000 years till foreign opinion intervined.

3/28/08, 10:36 AM

Anonymous David said...

It's all an illusion. The infants were faking it. Freedman is a con man and an anti-Semite. There is no such thing as race!

Hey, somebody has to represent the other side in here once in a while!

(The above is satire only.)

3/30/08, 10:03 AM

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