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Anonymous RWF said...

It was probably a mistake to unify Italy, the various parts of Italy had diverged so far from one another economically, politically and culturally that making a stable government is impossible except with the use of personality cults or extreme political movements.

6/14/09, 7:22 PM

Anonymous Richard Hoste said...

Did I just fall into a time machine and go back a couple months ago?

6/14/09, 8:09 PM

Blogger John Seiler said...

RWF is right. Italy should break apart again, as should Germany. While divided Italy produced art and music that still makes the world gasp in wonder, unified Italy produced Mussolini and junky Fiats (now, Chryslers too). Divided Germany produced Beethoven and Goethe, united Germany...75 years of bad wars.

Even America would be better off with the government broken up, with Obama becoming President of Illinois, where I don't live. When the 13 colonies were "free and independent," our political leaders were Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Henry, etc. Now we're a consolidated empire of 300 million ruled by Bushes, Clintons, Obamas, Doles, McCains, Romneys, etc.

In economics, the Internet, culture, and most else, the time of devolution is here. So should it be in government.

America is not the current strangulating mega-government, and to survive now needs divided government.

6/14/09, 11:43 PM

Anonymous testing99 said...

Steve, in the somewhat defense of the Christian Democrats (who were at least preferable to the loathesome Communists), the Mafia and the far more powerful but less well known Camorra, existed before the Italian State.

[I can't believe you did not refer to the Camorra who are older, more widely distributed, more powerful and widespread if less centralized than the Sicilian Mafia.]

The Camorra for example may date back to the 1400's.

Eliminating the Camorra or the Mafia would require a total change in the way of life of Italians who live there. Not just honest government, but a massive, overweening state that susses out and kills without hesitation and mercy any nascent "Big Men" and total propaganda efforts to eradicate cultural tendencies towards Big Men, along with fracturing clan/kin ties (and brutal suppression of female preference for Big Men).

Such a thing is theoretically possible, but would require such a crushing police state exerting brutal control over every aspect of life that it would take the manpower of the WWII Red Army and the resources of today's America (pre-meltdown) to pay for it.

I'm somewhat sympathetic to Andreotti. At the worst he bought time and space for the next generations of Italians to find something other than Communism.

6/15/09, 12:25 AM

Anonymous Drawbacks said...

"Dietrologia. It means the science of what is behind something. A suspicious event. The science of what is behind an event." (Don Delillo -- Underworld)

6/15/09, 12:36 AM

Blogger Jorn said...

"To understand historical events, you need to tease out the occluded connections among the players"

'occluded' = blocked, not hidden

6/15/09, 1:55 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, a Jorn Barger sighting!!!

6/15/09, 7:12 AM

Blogger susanjane said...

I have researched the invasion of Sicily by the Allies in 1943. I would like to know more about "Needing to keep civil order without tying up troops, we turned control over to local anti-Fascist men of respect". I was not aware that there would be a need of any civil order. I was always told and also read that the Italians were very happy to see our soldiers. Please direct me to any links regarding this...... susanbohdan@sbcglobal.net

Also, the American invasion started at Gela's southern beaches. I am tracing my Dad's journey thru Sicily and hope to write a manuscript in the near future. I hadn't gotten into the Mafia angle, as of yet. Perhaps now will be a good time!

Regards,
Susan Bohdan, daughter
Pvt Lloyd D Troyer
39th Engineers Combat Regiment
Company D

6/15/09, 8:24 AM

Anonymous Tom V said...

JS: "junky Fiats"

Fiat Group owns Ferrari.

6/16/09, 7:51 AM

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