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"Golf course architecture as the WASP art form"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's landscaping, not architecture.

11/28/12, 8:54 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

baseball and cricket field too?

11/28/12, 8:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

grass and few trees. yuck.

11/28/12, 8:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

hobbity

11/28/12, 8:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

all that space for guys chasing ball around. what a waste.

11/28/12, 8:59 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Being the downer I am, let me make a prediction. Within 25 years, Asians will also be well represented in this field. Golf and architecture are both popular with Asians and as increasing number of Asian collegiate players fail to make it into the PGA, some will undoubtedly pursue landscape architecture as a career.

11/28/12, 9:22 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/83558-damien-hirst-jumping-the-shark

dumping the shark

11/28/12, 9:23 PM

Blogger Aaron Gross said...

Question from a non-golfer to golfers: What are some of the most tasteless golf courses? (Taste is different from beauty; a work of art might be beautiful but tasteless.) Actually, are there any tasteless golf courses?

11/28/12, 9:24 PM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

First hole at Trump National Los Angeles has a giant artificial waterfall constructed behind the green that you have to drive behind (like on the Jungleland Cruise at Disneyland) to get to the second tee:

http://www.linksmagazine.com/images/531.jpg

11/28/12, 9:28 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of WASPs (and I agree with you Steve, golf is perhaps the leading WASP art form for poor WASPs who can no longer participate in the true leading WASP sport, the hunt, and probably don't even have Horn Rooms or bird dogs).... leading to speaking of Europeans... oh, too much of a stretch, off-topic but interesting:

http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/28/15518402-study-shows-surge-of-bad-disease-genes-in-europeans?lite

"A scan of all the mutations in the human gene map shows something surprising – people of European descent are evolving fast, and not for the better.

The study finds that in the past 5,000 years, European-Americans have developed a huge batch of potentially harmful genetic mutations – many more than African-Americans."

11/28/12, 9:31 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT:

"NFL player Brandon Marshall says athletes are using Viagra ... ON THE FIELD"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2239986/Brandon-Marshal-NFL-player-says-athletes-using-Viagra---ON-THE-FIELD.html

"Football players may have found a use for Viagra outside of the bedroom, according to Chicago Bears' wide receiver Brandon Marshall.

Marshall said he's heard of some players using the sexual stimulant to improve their performance on the field.

'I know guys, it is such a competitive league, guys try anything just to get that edge,' Marshall said during his weekly press conference."

"'But some guys, they’ll do whatever they can to get an edge. I’ve heard of some crazy stories. I’ve heard guys using like Viagra, seriously. Because the blood is supposedly thin, some crazy stuff. So, you know, it’s kind of scary with some of these chemicals that are in some of these things so you have to be careful.'

Marshall made the comments as NFL players come under increased scrutiny for using the performance-enhancing drug Adderall, which is prescribed for attention deficit disorder.

Adderall is the latest in a long list of performance-enhancing drugs that professional athletes have been busted for abusing over the last couple decades.

Viagra usage hasn't been a major concern in the NFL, but it might now get a second look after Marshall's comment."

11/28/12, 9:55 PM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

Bad taste golf courses include Desmond Muirhead's Stone Harbor, and the mounding on a couple of 1980s Nicklaus courses in Florida: Loxahatchie and Grand Cypress. But, I think all three have been plowed under and made less absurd looking.

11/28/12, 9:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some miniature golf places are really impressive too.

11/28/12, 10:18 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This amateur better hurry to enjoy a last round on the green.

11/29/12, 2:02 AM

Blogger wanderling said...

I was sure this post was going to be about this course, even your picture had me fooled, before I realised dinosaurs were absent...http://www.on-par.com/blog/index.php/2012/11/14/jurassic-golf-palmer-to-turn-coolum-resort-into-a-dinosaur-park/

and with bandages...http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/11/21/1226521/385767-palmer-dinosaur.jpg

11/29/12, 2:48 AM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

"That's landscaping, not architecture."

It's called landscape architecture. You can study it at Harvard. Landscape architecture has a history hundred of years old (e.g., Capability Brown, who designed the grounds of Blenheim Palace in the 1700s). Changes in fashion in landscape architecture after Waterloo are a major subject of Stoppard's "Arcadia." Golf course architecture as a conscious activity traces back at least 170 years to Allan Robertson's construction of the famous 17th green at St. Andrews.

11/29/12, 3:05 AM

Anonymous DaveinHackensack said...

"That's landscaping, not architecture."

It's landscape architecture. That was a major at my school. The LA majors (that's what they called themselves) learned to print in a comic book style font, and would drink beer while drafting their landscapes out by hand. Only about 20 years ago, and I don't remember them doing this stuff by computer. Maybe they did part of it via computer and finished it by hand, I don't know. I just remember them drinking beer at their drafting tables, and it seemed like a pretty relaxed major.

11/29/12, 3:06 AM

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein said...

Country clubs and cemeteries are the biggest wasters of prime real estate! Dead people? They don't need buried nowadays. Ecology, right? Ask Wang. He'll tell you. We just bought property behind the Great Wall. On the good side.

-- Al Czervik

11/29/12, 4:06 AM

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic said...

Steve: I'd like to see you sketch out a brief contrast of tennis and golf since WW2. For a time in the 70's, every condo, apartment, public park, even some office parks would have tennis courts built here in Atlanta. My impression is tennis court construction has cratered since then. I guess it was a young Boomer phenomenon.

I know 10+ times as many golfers as tennis players. Physically active businessmen are more likely to play basketball than tennis.

Golf requires serious effort to structure your time and finances around the necessary play and range time. I had to give it up even though I'd finally gotten the mechanics of the swing down. I miss it, but other priorities got in the way.

11/29/12, 5:38 AM

Anonymous FWG said...

Some would say the 17th hole at TPC Sawgrass is tasteless.

11/29/12, 5:46 AM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

Yeah, I think Pete Dye is going out of fashion. He revived the sharp-edged style of Macdonald and Raynor, but now the revival of Macdonald himself has hurt Dye.

11/29/12, 5:59 AM

Anonymous Kylie said...

"all that space for guys chasing ball around. what a waste."

That's part of the point of the exercise.

11/29/12, 8:02 AM

Anonymous Kylie said...

"all that space for guys chasing ball around. what a waste."

That's part of the point of the exercise.

11/29/12, 8:02 AM

Blogger pat said...

I'm surprised that you haven't mentioned glaciation. Golf courses look the way they do because they were originally found in Scotland and other high latitudes that had been glaciated.

Whites come from these same areas. It's not race it's ice.

Albertosaurus

11/29/12, 10:26 AM

Blogger Aaron Gross said...

Thanks, sort of, for the link to that picture from Trump National whatever. I should have guessed that Donald Trump would have a golf course.

And is it just me, or is the waterfall pouring straight down over the front of that sand-colored rock thing supposed to be an abstract representation of Donald Trump's hair?

11/29/12, 1:09 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Course knowledge, or a good caddie, is essential for those visually messy courses.

For us hackers the flag hunting laser (legal for amateurs at least in my part of the world) is indispensable.

Gilbert P

11/29/12, 4:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you participate on gca.com Steve? We could use you in the treehouse

11/30/12, 4:48 PM

Anonymous x said...

in the part of australia i'm from, it is not that uncommon for golf courses to have no grass at all and consist entirely of dirt. at one course, you carry around a strip of astro turf to put the ball on as you hit it around.

many greens here are made of oiled sand.

12/1/12, 11:30 AM

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