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"A semi-exception to the Fundamental Constant of Sociology"

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Blogger The Anti-Gnostic said...

"Too many of our high school students are not graduating ready to begin college or a career — and many are not eligible to serve in our armed forces," U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan told the AP. "I am deeply troubled by the national security burden created by America's underperforming education system."

No doubt, our ability to guard Iraqi and Afghan school buildings is seriously compromised.

F***ing social democratic twit.

12/21/10, 11:07 PM

Blogger Jim Bowery said...

Look on the bright side: Many of those disadvantaged minorities will be spared brain damage that might render them unable to sire the Youth of Tomorrow so desperately needed to pay the social security benefits of an aging population!!

12/21/10, 11:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Texas Hispanics seem to be doing a little better than their California coethnics in a lot of ways. I suppose that reflects something.

12/21/10, 11:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like .57 and .83 SD B-W differences in the two results quoted.

12/21/10, 11:33 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know about elsewhere, but most blacks in Alaska are in some way associated with the military- that's how they ended up there. It's because their fathers had to pass the same test....

12/22/10, 5:36 AM

Blogger Formerly.JP98 said...

You always come across smug dismissals of The Bell Curve as being discredited

And yet, as time passes, the more The Bell Curve is confirmed.

It's also interesting that Oxford U. Press's Intelligence: A Very Short Introduction, by psychologist Ian Deary (2001), recommends The Bell Curve several times. Nobody had a cow about that book AFAIK.

12/22/10, 6:20 AM

Anonymous peter A said...

I assume the Maryland whites were from the not-so-liberal Appalachian or Chesapeake Bay parts of the State. Those are some seriously in-bred back-ass regions of the country most outsiders don't know about.

12/22/10, 7:24 AM

Anonymous Shawn said...

Will the Obama administration be suing the United States Military for disparate impact?

12/22/10, 7:25 AM

Blogger Udolpho.com said...

On my forum we were talking about the growing gang problem in the different military branches, which was news to me but not to some of my forum members. Steve, this is your bailiwick but I don't know if you've ever covered that specific issue (obviously related to lowering standards). Apparently military brass is in denial, just as they are with radical muslims who are on a trajectory to shooting up Army bases. Seems like a couple of solid iSteve posts there.

12/22/10, 9:34 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course, over 50% of births are now to 'minorities', and this percentage is only set to increase in the future.

12/22/10, 9:40 AM

Anonymous peter A said...

Ideally the lower ranks of the army should be filled with the stupid people. I suppose the current casualty rates aren't high enough to create a disgenic effect, but a real war where mostly smart kids die and the lower quartile is just sitting around at home would be a disgenic disaster.

12/22/10, 9:47 AM

Anonymous Chuck said...

Steve,

What evidence do you have that the Gap is still 1SD? It sounds like something that we should look into.

12/22/10, 10:27 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Disparate Impact!

When is the EEOC going to go after the racist military?

12/22/10, 10:31 AM

Anonymous jody said...

fascinating stuff. wish i had time this week to write about how the US military is not an equal opportunity employer, and is free to discriminate based on almost anything, except when liberal politicians want to ram certain people into the military who have no business there.

the politics this week made me re-evaluate my interest in the US military, and whether i really want to continue to contribute to defense research, buy defense company stocks, and so forth.

12/22/10, 10:50 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 1977 when I worked as a school psychologis in a school system that served the school attendance centers of a major US Army base, it came to my attention via some discussions with parents who were also sergeants, that the Black/White gap in AFGQT scores was very large. It showed up in actual duty performance. Accordingly, sergeants were drawn to seek the actual scores of recruits and found large correspondence between what the scores showed for particular individuals and what the sergeants saw in those individuals hour by hour on duty in training, etc. Clifford Alexander, then a Black Sec. of the Army, was thus inspired to require that all such specific score information be withdrawn from the personnel files accessible to sergeants. It was my impression at the time that scores had been calibrated on racial norms--hence Black scores were drawn merely from what characterized Black recruits (?) At any rate, when scores and test validation became pigmentation blind and the chips were left to fall when they may--the gap impact was melted down and the relationships between Black and White recruits improved both on duty and in elective social interaction, "g" being a very central ingredient in both domains. Truth works wonders everywhere but in MSM and on campus.

12/22/10, 11:06 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The vocational parts of the ASVAB are probably more g-loaded than they should be.

I scored something like a 92% on the auto mechanics part based solely on reading the questions carefully and eliminating answer choices. My actual mechanics knowledge is minimal and my mechanical aptitude is even less.

12/22/10, 12:17 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of big, massive educational programs designed to remedy obesity and low intelligence, why not simply offer $5000 per recruit to the recruit's high school? That's much more targeted.

12/22/10, 12:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've had the impression that the recruiting pool has a lot of people who don't have other options: poor people without family connections, dumb people who can't make it at college, unmotivated people who can't think of anything else to do, etc. So the scores are coming from that pool. I haven't been overly impressed with some of the folks who did enlist.

12/22/10, 12:58 PM

Blogger europeasant said...

I had a GT score of 133 back in 1974. Does anyone know what percentage that represents?

12/22/10, 1:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure GT score = IQ score.

My GT score jibed with my IQ as tested by a childhood IQ test and by the SAT, plus the way GT is used as a baseline for several MOSs indicates it is the Army's g-loaded psychometric score of choice.

12/22/10, 3:41 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Best performances by Hispanics were in small sample size states like Montana, "


Probably a 1/8 Mexican carrying his great grandfather's surname.

12/22/10, 3:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As far as "percentage," if you mean percentile, a 133 GT score (just over 2 SD above the mean) would put you somewhere between the 95th and 99th percentiles. FWIW, my 139 was considered 99th percentile by the Army.

In the early 70s, according to my dad and also Craig Venter's autobiography, the military used to just outright call your ASVAB score your IQ score, but I imagine the Griggs decision made them change their labeling in order to continue administering IQ tests without controversy.

12/22/10, 3:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

peter A:

I'm a lifelong Marylander who's been around the country, and you're a fool if you think the rural regions here are worse than those in the rest of the country. Maryland has the highest household income of any state and one of the lowest rates of unemployment. There's no need to go into the military here unless you have some other shortcomings.

Speaking of which, you don't come across as particularly intelligent yourself. Please leave the commentary on these touchy topics to people such as Steve who don't give racial realism a bad name.

12/22/10, 4:19 PM

Blogger europeasant said...

"if you mean percentile, a 133 GT score"

Thanks for the info, but to be honest my original army papers had a GT score of 123 that was crossed off and written next to that was 133. I always wonderered about that. The day of induction the army folks said that there openings in the medical field and wheel and track mechanics. I choose mechanics because I was always interested in cars. Anyways I contacted the National Personnel Records Center to find out what they had on me and the same 123 crossed off with 133 was next to that. The GT score of 123/133 qualified me for all army jobs back then but I was in a hurry to leave town and so I had to choose something. As a reference point I happened upon the other mechanics scores in my outfit and all the scores were in the GT 80/90 range.

12/22/10, 5:33 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Arne Duncan is "deeply troubled by the national security burden" created by all these military rejects? I thought he was supposed to be concerned with the education of youth for their own benefit, not in creating a conveyor belt from the school system to the military. Is that his job, shaping up and supplying cannon fodder for our endless wars?

12/22/10, 6:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's pretty funny your GT score was 133 with 123 crossed out.

The GT score is calculated from several of the other subset scores; it's not a direct score. I guess you must have taken the test back when the GT wasn't automatically calculated and printed on the test result sheet but somehow manually imputed onto the test result sheet by someone using a spreadsheet or calculator.

No big deal in your case, since in the Army anything over GT 115 is pretty much gravy, but I wonder if anyone was ever negatively affected by such administrative errors.

12/22/10, 7:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Texas Hispanics seem to be doing a little better than their California coethnics in a lot of ways. I suppose that reflects something."

A lot of Texas Hispanics classify themselves as White. See Wikipedia:

According to the 2006–2008 American Community Survey, the racial composition of El Paso was as follows:

* White: 77.8% (Non-Hispanic Whites: 15.0%)
* Black or African American: 3.1%
* Native American: 0.5%
* Asian: 1.2%
* Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0.1%
* Some other race: 15.1%
* Two or more races: 2.2%
* Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 80.0% (Mexican: 75.0%)

12/22/10, 10:50 PM

Blogger Black Sea said...

Arnie Duncan said, "Too many of our high school students are not graduating ready to begin college or a career — and many are not eligible to serve in our armed forces."

This does raise the question as to whether they should be graduating at all. It is only recently that society even expected everyone to aspire to a high school diploma. People who lack the aptitude and know it would be better served by some sort of proficiency certificate after the 9th or 10th grade followed by vocational training and an internship.

12/23/10, 3:11 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In New England, Hispanic almost always means some sort of Afro-caribean mix and I think it is not surprising that Mass. hispanics perform lower than hispanics in the west.

12/23/10, 5:32 AM

Blogger neil craig said...

Mt guess would be that blacks in Missippi would be much more likely to have 8 black grandparents than those in Oregon.

12/23/10, 6:52 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wear uniforms, not where uniforms.

12/23/10, 8:33 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a college-educated female who decided to join the Army last year for several reasons. My ASVAB score was in the 95th percentile and my GT score was 128. Being in the Army has completely demolished the remaining biases of my liberal-indoctrinated public education. Even within my MOS, which required a certain minimum GT score and security clearance, white males who'd never attended college outperformed college-educated black and latino males.

12/23/10, 10:11 AM

Anonymous none of the above said...

Anonymous:

Or an educated Mexican who came here to practice medicine or work as an engineer or something, rather than some hungry uneducated guy looking for work mowing lawns. Importing a huge bunch of unskilled laborers is a poor way of getting the high iq part of the source population.

12/23/10, 12:44 PM

Blogger Truth said...

" Importing a huge bunch of unskilled laborers is a poor way of getting the high iq part of the source population."

Maybe, but it ain't a bad way of getting food to the table!

12/23/10, 1:18 PM

Blogger David said...

>Disparate Impact!

When is the EEOC going to go after the racist military?<

Careful. You want a Rangel-style draft?

12/25/10, 10:03 AM

Blogger David said...

>Maybe, but it ain't a bad way of getting food to the table!<

You want stupid people handling your food?

12/25/10, 10:10 AM

Blogger Truth said...

"You want stupid people handling your food?"

Well, it does sort of beat...no people.

12/25/10, 11:29 PM

Blogger David said...

>Well, it does sort of beat...no people.<

How did Americans not starve to death before the 1986 amnesty?

After all, there were no people handling food then.

12/28/10, 3:13 PM

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