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"A bizarre anomaly in New Haven"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Were the test results anomalous?
Doesn't really matter does it? Disparate impact is the test.

To get around that people would have to show that not using the results of the test results in more deaths or something. The voters would have to understand that.

4/19/09, 7:13 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"whose complaints define the real-life quandary that sometimes accompanies government efforts to ensure racial equality. "



Nice way to just brush aside massive discrimination of whites in favour of generally less competent blacks.

4/19/09, 7:33 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stories like this and the attempts by Napolitano to intimidate conservatives are saddening, but one needs to remember that the US is ground zero of multiculturalism and the systematic disowning of the white man. All this crap was then foisted on otherwise traditional tribal societies like Germany, Japan, China, Rhodesia and South Africa. All these places were forced to open up and become free-trading, multicultural, accept Human Rights and all sorts of ethnically destructive policies.

America reshaped the world in its own image and now this is beginning to devour the originators. Obama and Napolitano are preparing the country for a huge racial makeover. The kind of societal destruction which faraway countries like German, Rhodesia and the Afrikaners have gone through in the last 50-100 years, caused mainly by US intervention, is now awaiting the Americans who up to now were dictating to others what their societies should look like, but did not want the results of those dictates in their own neighbourhoods. This storm is going to envelope you for good and leave the US weakened and not a place worth immigrating to. In fact I would never consider immigrating to the US even nowadays anymore.

4/19/09, 10:41 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really would like to see the test. What's on it and how relevant to the actual work is it? Did the whites study more? Even assuming, for the sake of argument, a lower average IQ among the blacks, out of the 27 someone should be up to par, no?

4/19/09, 12:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is not specific about the problems with the test, though it says the exam did not measure "command presence" and should have given more weight to the interview.What the hell is "command presence" in this case but a way of saying "that black dude's huge and has a deep voice and is good with the ladies."

In these cases I suspect that interviews (and "extracurricular activities", in the case of Ivy League admissions) are a way of enhancing discrimination, not removing it. In the case of extracurricular activities it's a way of saying that the guy who worked as a counselor at a Boy Scout Camp for three summers is less likely to get into Harvard than the guy who licked stamps for Ted Kennedy's re-election campaign.

4/19/09, 12:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even assuming, for the sake of argument, a lower average IQ among the blacks, out of the 27 someone should be up to par, no?No. Remember that these promotions are into positions doing more than fighting fires - hiring, evaluations, and almost certainly paperwork galore. Abstract thinking skills matter.

4/19/09, 1:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

All this crap was then foisted on otherwise traditional tribal societies like Germany, Japan, China, Rhodesia and South Africa.Except that 2 of those countries didn't buy into it at all, and 2 of them only bought into it to the extent it helped the majority.

Which country swallowed it completely? Why the country with the white majority - how shocking and unexpected.

4/19/09, 1:03 PM

Anonymous Lugash said...

I am Lugash.

So have any of these black groups pointed to anything specific on any of these tests that is racist? Or is test taking in general just racist?

Maybe the aggrieved backs should design the test themselves, then let everyone take it. My guess is the results would still be the same.

I am Lugash

4/19/09, 1:10 PM

Anonymous testing99 said...

Anon --

Support for Affirmative Action is based upon SWPL Yuppie (men) who benefit from keeping out upwardly mobile working-middle Class White men from posing competitive threats, and women.

The latter are more important, since they are the largest demographic group and because most women are now Single, and have no ties to men, they support Affirmative Action by HUGE margins.

Women gain from keeping White Men out of high-paying government jobs and other opportunities, and also gain preferences from Affirmative Action as well. Not just in government hiring but contracting preferences, and so on.

Moreover, the Scandinavian nations have gone much further than the US in Affirmative Action. Norway for example mandates that 50% of all corporate board members and company executives be women, regardless of qualification, or havoc wreaked by unqualified execs/directors.

Married women have to consider their husband's interests in competition with their own, and married women with sons have the double whammy of considerations regarding Affirmative Action. Since most women are now single, and few have kids, neither really applies.

Single women, or what we are talking about, Single White Women, are ground zero for PC and Multiculturalism because it pumps up employment in female-friendly fields such as education, welfare, government offices, law, and so on, and makes it harder for White Men to gain economic and cultural advantages through merit based advancement particularly in male-dominated fields such as Law Enforcement, Firefighting, and the Military and military related production/services.

Power is a zero-sum game, and Affirmative Action's enthusiastic backing by the Elite did not just happen by some conspiracy. Rather, it's seen clearly as an advantage for big demographic groups, the largest of which is Women.

4/19/09, 1:23 PM

Anonymous Jonathan Silber said...

Might the influence of a lieutenant's "command presence" be diminished for those under his command by the knowledge that he enjoys his position and authority at the expense of others more qualified than him?

4/19/09, 3:04 PM

Anonymous Jonathan Silber said...

Many of the twenty-seven blacks who failed the exam, if not all of them, probably enjoy their current jobs to affirmative action—that is, they did worse on the entry-level exam than whites who were hired (and many who were not hired).

So, in exams for promotion, the blacks are competing against smarter, better qualified officers.

The only black officers who might be expected to hold their own on exams against white officers would be those who earned their position without the crutch of affirmative action, in fair competition to the same standards.

4/19/09, 3:16 PM

Blogger Stopped Clock said...

Is there really any affirmative action favoring hiring and promoting women over men in fields that are already female-dominated? It seems to me it's always race, race, race. I am skeptical that white women really ever win much from AA and I know that they certainly lose a lot to blacks and Hispanics.

4/19/09, 3:21 PM

Anonymous Lucius Vorenus said...

Anonymous: Remember that these promotions are into positions doing more than fighting fires - hiring, evaluations, and almost certainly paperwork galore. Abstract thinking skills matter.Heck, have you watched any actual rank-and-file firefighters respond to a fire alarm in the last decade or two?

Nowadays, those dude dress up like f***ing astronauts before they enter a building - I'd think that you'd need an IQ of about 110 just to figure out how to put on the dadgum uniform. [BTW, Arthur Hu calculates that you'd need an IQ of about 108 just to drive the firetruck.]

4/19/09, 4:38 PM

Anonymous Lucius Vorenus said...

testing99: Single women, or what we are talking about, Single White Women, are ground zero for PC and Multiculturalism

Single White NIHILISTIC Women.

Not all white people are nihilists.

4/19/09, 4:40 PM

Anonymous Svigor said...

Abstract thinking skills matter.Yeah. That's why they should test the employees - to see which honkey can do all Mr. "Command Presence's" homework.

4/19/09, 4:42 PM

Anonymous Svigor said...

Maybe the aggrieved backs should design the test themselves, then let everyone take it. My guess is the results would still be the same.Ole Lugash puts his finger directly on exhibit A regarding why I suspect liberals aren't simply useful idiots on this matter.

Useful idiots would be proposing "black-friendly" tests left and right. But nobody does, which is consistent with people willfully ignoring those feet poking out from beneath the curtain.

Bring on the "black-friendly" tests, I says.

4/19/09, 4:45 PM

Anonymous Svigor said...

Might the influence of a lieutenant's "command presence" be diminished for those under his command by the knowledge that he enjoys his position and authority at the expense of others more qualified than him?I've experienced my fair share of "command presence" sans competence (manifested in white male nepotism sinecures, as it happens), and it ain't pretty. I've come close to blows with such morons more than once.

4/19/09, 4:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

AA & multi-culturism is a process not and endpoint.

Women even now and ever more so are going to find their cozy office positions invaded by black and hispanic women who are holding all the diversity poker cards. Bye bye white single childless lady, surely you understand that black, single lady with three kids is a more deserving case than you.

4/19/09, 5:02 PM

Anonymous Jean Marc Clement said...

On bell curves alone, a couple of the blacks should have done as well as at least half or so of the whites. That suggests another variable, this: The blacks taking the test are on average not the smartest blacks. The smart blacks don't particularly want to be firefighters. Those to whom it appeals see it as a cushy job spent mostly in the firehouse, rather than the fire calls where they may have to do incredibly dangerous and difficult physical work.

Most white applicants are not far up the right half of the white bell curve either. They see themselves as not necessarily the sharpest knife in the drawer but someone who can lead a productive and socially beneficial life anyway. They have a high sense of duty, something deficient on average in the black community.

4/19/09, 5:14 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

tevil neocon:

"SWPL Yuppie (men)" are "upwardly mobile working-middle Class White men" in the vast majority of cases. No comment on the remaining recycled garbage in your comment.

4/19/09, 5:20 PM

Anonymous Cat Patrol said...

The phrase "women and minorities" always rubbed me the wrong way. It tries to convey the notion that White women have more in common with Blacks and Hispanics than with their own White husbands, brothers, fathers and sons.

4/19/09, 5:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

For what it's worth, I've known
quite a few software developers (some of the better ones I've known) drawn to volunteer firefighting and EMT work.
In New England the volunteer
stuff is still very important.

These folks in my opinion have a confluence of intelligence + duty that seems to yield service.

4/20/09, 7:17 AM

Anonymous Charlotte said...

"The phrase "women and minorities" always rubbed me the wrong way. It tries to convey the notion that White women have more in common with Blacks and Hispanics than with their own White husbands, brothers, fathers and sons.

absolutely correct. I am sick of this pc babble-speak. And i can't believe it once made sense to me.

4/20/09, 8:06 PM

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