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"How Ethnic Stereotypes Lessen Ethnic Nepotism"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Er, um, Steve, (nominally) Catholics outnumber (nominally) Protestants in Canada (thanks in large part to La Belle Province)as well as from recent immigration (E Europe, Lebanon, the Philippines Haiti (the birthplace of our Governor-General) and Latin America (including Mexico!). Previous to Stephen Harper and with the exception of Kim Campbell, Canada has not had a non-Catholic PM since Pearson (mid sixties)

Dave

1/25/07, 4:04 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Steve, how about dropping the name of Irwin's study on us?

1/25/07, 4:26 PM

Blogger ziel said...

Hilarious. I swear, I would have the same conversation with my Italian neighbor (although, since she's from Brooklyn and we're in New Jersey, there would necessarily be some superficial differences in vocabulary and syntax).

1/25/07, 5:59 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Shelly: "My mind refuses to deal with such an implausible assertion."'

Am I the only one who finds it improbable these words came from the lips of an Italian-American woman, or does it strike anyone else as likely that this exchange is heavily embellished?

1/25/07, 6:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frankly, poised with questions of that nature, I'd have had a tough time answering. It depends a lot on the context. I might mildly prefer to deal with someone of similar ethnic background "when the costs are low or nonexistent" under certain very limited circumstances, but in most cases will choose based on other factors.

And pseudo-nepotism doesn't get _anybody_ a free spot in the fallout shelter. "Ethnicity as extended family" may be genetically and historically valid, but friends come long before people whose relationship to me is something I'd need a DNA analysis and a course in advanced geneaology to understand. :)

1/25/07, 8:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two thoughts on this:

First, as an American Jew, I'm still waiting to meet another Jew enthnocentrically nepotistic enough to hook my me up. Consider this recent experience of mine. An old friend of my father's (a Jew) learned that his new neighbor in his Upper West Side co-op building (also a Jew) was the head of an institutional division of a major investment bank. This neighbor tells my father's friend that he likes to help out younger people.

My father's friend tells me to send him a resume to give to the exec. The exec spends a cursory five minutes on the phone with me, and says he'll pass the resume around. Nothing comes of this. During the same time period (which happened to be during the Israel-Hezbollah war) a former co-worker and friend and a different investment company -- an orthodox Christian of Lebanese ancestry -- offers me a job. So even when my fellow ethnics were bombing his fellow ethnics, our personal relationship as former co-workers, fellow Giants fans, etc., trumped any Hebraic connection with the Jewish exec.

Second point, if anyone's still reading, is to defend the "economic skills" of the Italians. I can think of some things I'd rather have an Italian company manufacture than a Swiss company: A high-end espresso machine, high-end motorcycle, or high-end sports car (Ferrari, not Fiat). If I need a particle accelerator or a watch, I'll buy from the Swiss.

Dave

1/25/07, 11:14 PM

Anonymous daveg said...

My brother in law is Jewish, by way of Mexico. His father is a polish-Jew who moved to Mexico and married a Mexican, but he was raised in the Jewish community.

Anyway, when the Mexican economy went south about ten years ago he moved to the US with his brother and bought a embroidery machine and set up a small business here. They obtained small contracts through the local Jewish communities and got the business up and running fairly quickly it has been an on going concern ever since.

There was a falling out between the two brothers and now only one works in the business, but that is not really relevant.

Anyway, the point is that if the US economy went south I don't think I would have the same ability to move to another country and have local connections available to set up a business so easily. (Not to imply that they do not work hard, they do.)

This is nothing to be embarrassed about, but it is something that is not so "normal" for a person of my background.

1/26/07, 2:51 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most people in my area (the Appalachian borderlands of TN/KY/NC/VA) are poor Irish or Scots-Irish descent. I'm from that background; and they/we go nowhere because of almost no "ethnic solidarity" among us. Our hostilities seem self-directed, not outwardly directed. No, I have all my teeth and my IQ is 140, Mr. Markowitz, thanks. I can find my way out.

1/26/07, 7:18 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd like to take the test. Is it online?

1/26/07, 7:52 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, 140 IQ Scots-Irish guy: Sorry to crash your pity party but there have been some Scots-Irish who have done fine -- Jim Webb for one.

If the bulk of you haven't achieved economic success after 200 years in the country, is the fault really with "Mr. Markowitz"?

1/26/07, 9:21 AM

Anonymous joshrandall said...

When white people show "ethnic nepotosm" its decried as that worst of all sins:racism.And who has the biggest,loudest mouth screaming about the evils of racism? Jews,of course! Yet this article shows,to no ones surprise,Jews are the ones who do it most!Though not enough for some of the slackers here!:) Point:white people NEED to stick together,both on the ethnic level(Italians helping Italians,etc) but also on the racial level.Avoid buying from Jews whenever practicle--theyre doing it to us!

1/26/07, 10:13 AM

Anonymous Tony said...

Is Roger Federer's Switzerland leading export earner?

1/26/07, 10:29 AM

Blogger Robert Hume said...

What's going on with "anonymous"? Is he talking to himself?

Anyway, in "Born Fighting" Webb critiques his own culture for lack of ambition.

I think that is characteristic of those who feel very much a part of their society. They need not fear that they will be persecuted if they are not well-off.

Perhaps as it becomes ever more clear that immigration is causing the Scots Irish to lose their demographic strength, they will recover their immigrant ambition.

1/26/07, 11:37 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert Hume,

Don't you have this statement backwards: "They need not fear that they will be persecuted if they are not well-off."

In most recent cases, isn't it the relatively well-off, high-achieving minority groups that get persecuted? E.g., Jews in Germany, ethnic Indians in Fiji, Ethnic Chinese in Malaysia, etc.?

Jewish Slacker

1/26/07, 1:54 PM

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