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"Thank God an NFL player is not a famous role model like a college lacrosse player"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

SO Mel Gibson is the new, errr Anti-Christ because he says some things in private while drunk and arrested, but assualting a guy, call him a 'faggot' and a "f__ing" jew" and he still a darling in the media's eyes...
Is there any better indicator just how warped mainstream media still is, and how much it warps americans perceptions of reality...'if americans' only knew" .....

1/17/07, 5:10 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personally, I think some of my fellow American Jews got a little overheated about Mel Gibson. If he doesn't like Jews, I have no problem with that -- it's a free country. Who hasn't, at one time or another, had negative thoughts about another group? I have a problem when someone expresses his anti-Jewish sentiments by, say, shooting up a Seattle Jewish center. The danger on that score is decidedly higher from certain Muslim immigrants than it is from old school Catholic movie star/directors. It was pretty boneheaded of Gibson to mouth off during a traffic stop though, since they are all recorded (even more boneheaded was his decision to drive home drunk -- he couldn't afford a limo ride home?).

With respect to Mr. Manning: the NY Times's article is shameful but not surprising. The Times has long veered past any concept of fairness toward minorities to being strenuously pro-black and pro-Latino regardless of the situation. About the only thing a black man can do to upset the NY Times is be a conservative Supreme Court Justice.

Dave

1/17/07, 7:37 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

While sportswriters are,as Steve has pointed out,supremely PC,making their living talking to very large black and Latin fellows,sometimes the veil slips. Recently,during the Tank Johnson Affair,Ricky was quoted as being a tad upset about Tanks' struggle.He was sympathetic,referencing his own plight of court appearances and lawyer fees,all of this when,"I didnt do nothin'!" I guess his apology maybe wasnt totally sincere...ya think?:(

1/17/07, 9:15 AM

Anonymous jody said...

i already posted about how this happens in the NFL.

i hardly need to go into detail, since this last weekend provided yet again several examples of bad behavior, and even outright bad play, by black players, and the resulting media coverage which was slanted ludicrously in their favor.

lord help any white player who comments on his coach or dares to drop a pass. if he's even allowed to catch passes.

la griffe du lion would have no trouble pointing out the discrimination white players face in the NFL at this point. the NBA by comparison is much more efficient at selecting players.

1/17/07, 9:53 AM

Anonymous Floccina said...

Does anyone remember the era (I think it was in 1980s) when people where being falsely accused by prosecutors of molesting children based on testimony dragged out of children with the promise of rewords. According to PBS frontline special Janet Reno was evolved in that down in Miami, putting some innocent people behind bars and as a reward she made attorney general of the USA.

Do not jump to belive what prosecutors say.

1/17/07, 10:10 AM

Blogger Justin said...

While the Duke lacrosse thing definitely was a racial fiasco (with a really easy narrative about a black woman getting sexually assaulted by rich white people) the more likely explanation for football players getting away with everything is simply that they're football players and getting away with everything is simply what football players do. I mean, NBA players can barely get away with tattoos, and Shaq himself--the richest and most dominant guy in the league--couldn't be excused from his "ching chong" incident. And let's not even get into the Kobe Bryant "rape" fiasco (close to a mirror image of the Duke case in terms of racial roles.) (I should give credit--the "football players get away with everything" theory was first proposed by David Aldridge.)

1/17/07, 10:26 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To tie this story into another recent thread on iSteve, it's debatable whether the Persian-descent victim in this case would be considered "white," at least in a cultural sense. Though the fact that he was Jewish might give him a claim to a sort of honorary whiteness.

Peter
Iron Rails & Iron Weights

1/17/07, 10:52 AM

Anonymous James Kabala said...

Steve and Justin are both right. Race plays a role in this, but compare media treatment of Barry Bonds (who deserves everything he gets, but still) with that of Shawne Merriman. Both men are black, but Merriman gets much less negative press coverage.

1/17/07, 11:02 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Justin,

Most white people, including myself, were all for Kobe getting off and most of us (me too again Im afraid) never really believed the ski-lodge girl went up to his room all by her lonesome not to have sex. After details of her nutty behavior and past came out, whites almost universally did not believe her.


Any of you really think that little Arab man who was a Swedish national kicked his OWN ASS and made the story up? Thats neither here nor their however.


Wanna know what makes us whites really mad? Stories like this one:
http://www.wbir.com/news/regional/story.aspx?storyid=41102 not getting any play in the national media (at least not yet, but Im sure email boxes are full of angry letters demanding it) that get no play outside of the hometown hardly at all. Why? Well its because 4 black men carjacked, raped, kidnapped, beat to death and set on fire a young white couple going for a fast food break on a Sunday morning.


Where are the denounciations of "hate crime". Where are the Reverends? Do you have any idea of how much more often minorities rape whites than vice-versa? Could you imagine what the respone to that crime would have been if four whites had done that to a black couple heading to Starbucks?



Parting shot:::::the hispanic crime wave in Nashville which is very real, gets completely swept under the rug as much as possible by our own Gannett-chain paper, the Tennessean, as much as possible. Suspects are not described by race as often as they can get away with it, only first names are given in stories as often as possible to hide ethnicity, stories simply aren't reported (drunk driving here and the ensuing crashes are through the roof amongst illegals) and the legal status of criminals almost has to be shoe-horned out of the local media who wishes to cover it up.

1/17/07, 11:02 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Wanna know what makes us whites really mad? Stories like this one:
http://www.wbir.com/news/regional/story.aspx?storyid=41102 not getting any play in the national media (at least not yet, but Im sure email boxes are full of angry letters demanding it) that get no play outside of the hometown hardly at all"

Wa Wa Wa. Cry you little baby. You are free to go post the story on stormfront.org and whine about it with your little racist buddies. I am sure they will care, and maybe even give you head to make you feel better.

1/17/07, 11:28 AM

Blogger Theo_musher said...

Blacks don't present any real danger to jews. Whereas a group ethnically conscious whites nearly wiped them off the face of the Earth a mere 50 years ago.

Its easy to control whites in the US through multi-culturalism.

This is the same way The British Empire controlled what is now Iraq, by promoting ethnic strife.

Divide and conquer.

Its all perfectly rational.

1/17/07, 12:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wa Wa Wa. Cry you little baby. You are free to go post the story on stormfront.org and whine about it with your little racist buddies. I am sure they will care, and maybe even give you head to make you feel better.

12 year-olds should not be posting on isteve.

1/17/07, 1:06 PM

Anonymous Anne said...

Do you think that maybe Tom Wolfe is responsible for the heightened interest in the Duke lacrosse team? Look, you have a bestselling book come out thought to be more or less based on Duke, in which the whole school is portrayed as a moral cesspool and the lacrosse team in particular is portrayed as a bunch of animals. You have a national debate about whether this is an accurate description of college life. Then you have an incident that seems to settle the debate. I think that is a legitimate news story.

And if you don't believe lacrosse players were portrayed as animals: Recall that while all male characters behave badly, the main frat boys and basketball players are humanized with back stories, while no lacrosse player gets this treatment. Also recall that the frat boys do at least take the trouble to seduce the women they lack respect for, while the lacrosse players are depicted manhandling the main character in broad daylight when she wanders too near their tailgate party, necessitating her rescue cave man style by a frat boy. In fact, if I recall correctly, the first frat boy is seriously injured in the rescue attempt and it only succeeds because one of the lacrosse players is his fraternity brother and chooses to back him up.

It seems to me there are two possibilities for why Wolfe chose to write the book this way. One is that in his research lacrosse players actually struck him as animals for whom manhandling women is totally in character. The other is that he actually only researched the basketball players and frat boys, and chose to depict the intersection of all their worst tendencies in the lacrosse players, who combine the testosterone and athletic glamor of basketball players with the money and connections of the frat boys.

I know Wolfe is popular on this blog and campus lefties are not, but you have to admit they're united in depicting lacrosse players as Neanderthals. And the reasons for that must either reflect well on the lefties or reflect poorly on Wolfe.

1/17/07, 2:04 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And you didn't even mention the Cincinnati Bengals.

1/17/07, 2:26 PM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

Anne should read my review Wolfe's "Charlotte Simmons" and my April article on how the hunt for the Great White Defendant at Duke was anticipated 19 years before in Wolfe's "Bonfire of the Vanities."

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/050102_wolfe.htm

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/060430_unequal_justice.htm

The moral point, however, is rather simple: just because you might be an arrogant preppie jerk, you shouldn't be framed for a felony.

1/17/07, 3:50 PM

Anonymous jody said...

there are 15 players on an NBA team, versus 53 players on an NFL team. in other words, there are more than 3 whole NBA teams worth of players on a single NFL team.

and, the NBA only has 30 teams and the NFL has 32 teams. so that's 450 players versus 1696 players.

that's a lot of bad players, bad teammates, and bad criminals for the media to cover up and protect.

not only is the media locked in permanent spin mode, the level of play in the league is in decline.

1/17/07, 4:52 PM

Blogger ChrisV82 said...

FoxNews carried a small AP article about Ricky Manning's assault, and the New York Post had a one sentence blurb in its "Sports Shorts" section. The Post had 13 articles of or relating to the Duke lacrosse team, however, while Fox News had hundreds.

So is Fox News and (less so) The Post being racist and having a double standard? I would argue no. This country has a long history of whites attacking blacks; the history of black on white crime is far less. Does this mean that the media should put a racial lens on what stories they decide to focus on? Probably not. However, the Duke case had two ready made storylines - whitey raping poor black girl, and dumb jocks raping defenseless girl. It sells papers (or brings in viewers, or online views).

Furthermore, another NFL player getting in trouble isn't that big of a deal, so to speak. After all, there were eight arrests in 2006 within the Cincinnati Bengals organization (which were covered quite extensively in the news), and in 2005 players on the Minnesota Vikings were accused of drunken behavior, nudity and visible sex on a boat. This is typical NFL stuff. On the other hand, with Duke, you have a bunch of kids, who presumably "have their whole future ahead of them," and they're facing the metaphorical end of their lives because of this incident. It's very interesting, in theory.

At the end of the day, news is about selling advertising, not setting an ideological agenda. Fox News is conservative not because they care, but because they know they can soak up conservatives' dollars. CBS (or the New York Times or whatever) is supposedly liberal because they believe it will give them the largest audience, thus giving them the largest revenue dollars. It's the free market at work, nothing greater.

1/17/07, 8:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To their credit, the NYT mentioned the Long Beach Halloween black on white beatings today. It was in an article about black/latino violence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/17/us/17race.html

1/17/07, 10:39 PM

Blogger Tom said...

Anne:

"And if you don't believe lacrosse players were portrayed as animals: Recall that while all male characters behave badly, the main frat boys and basketball players are humanized with back stories, while no lacrosse player gets this treatment. Also recall that the frat boys do at least take the trouble to seduce the women they lack respect for, while the lacrosse players are depicted manhandling the main character in broad daylight when she wanders too near their tailgate party, necessitating her rescue cave man style by a frat boy. In fact, if I recall correctly, the first frat boy is seriously injured in the rescue attempt and it only succeeds because one of the lacrosse players is his fraternity brother and chooses to back him up."

No, you didn't recall correctly. The first guy who tried (and failed) to rescue Charlotte was a lacrosse and frat guy named Harrison. I never understood why Charlotte didn't feel more indebted to him than to Hoyt, who entered the ring only after Harrison was knocked out and soon suffered the same fate. Neither of them stopped Balko; they just attracted enough attention and bought enough time for security to arrive.

Harrison was also the guy who turned away Beverly when she showed up pathetically at his door in the middle of the night, so at least he wasn't a sex maniac (or at least not with a Junior social X-ray like Beverly).

Also, in another scene where a bunch of loutish lacrosse players faced off with the Millennial Mutants, the most disagreeable character was Chinese-American Camille Deng, who told the players to shove their sticks, net first, up their behinds and was insulted racially in response. Charlotte herself thought so, and one player, as if able to read her mind, reciprocated by being nice to her ("Hey babe"). And one should remember, too, that the whole episode was first provoked by the Mutants' off-handed slurs against jocks in general.

I swear I read Charlotte only once and do have a life. Wolfe's stories are just very memorable to me.

1/18/07, 12:08 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

> This country has a long history of
> whites attacking blacks; the history
> of black on white crime is far less.

Incorrect. I forget where I saw it, but the total historical record of crime stats in the USA (back to about the civil war) show an unborken history of much higher rate of black-on-white crime than white-on-black.

What we see today in America re: race and crime is pretty much how it's already been, liberal sociological explanations of the phenomena notwithstanding.

1/18/07, 1:00 AM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

The news media should come with warning stickers: "What we show you are Man-Bites-Dog stories, not normal reality. If you try to live your life according to what we tell you, you will be sorry."

1/18/07, 1:42 AM

Blogger Theo_musher said...

Isn't the main reason a story gets run though, is if the people in it are good looking?

You know its like if a fat ugly woman gets murdered by an ugly redneck- that won't run. If some person living in a trailer park gets their homely looking girl abducted that won't run. You won't hear about it.

If rich good looking white people do crimes or are victims of crimes, its a story.

If some big scary looking black guy from the ghetto, acts like...well, like he's from the ghetto, its not a story. Even if he's a football player. The guy he beat up was probably doofy looking.

If he murders his good looking white wife...Now that might be a story.

These Duke Lacrosse players are very photogenic.

1/18/07, 5:58 AM

Blogger ChrisV82 said...


Incorrect. I forget where I saw it, but the total historical record of crime stats in the USA (back to about the civil war) show an unborken history of much higher rate of black-on-white crime than white-on-black.


Well, even though you can't remember where you saw it and can't show the actual figures, you've certainly rebutted years of historical precedent.

And why don't we have a white history month??

1/18/07, 11:07 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the end of the day, news is about selling advertising, not setting an ideological agenda. Fox News is conservative not because they care, but because they know they can soak up conservatives' dollars. CBS (or the New York Times or whatever) is supposedly liberal because they believe it will give them the largest audience, thus giving them the largest revenue dollars. It's the free market at work, nothing greater.

I've heard this said quite often but suppose we broaden the discussion of media content beyond just news. In 1997, NBC broadcast the Spielberg movie "Schinder's List" largely free of advertising, whereas , in 2004, after the Mel Gibson movie "The Passion" came out, network officials told the media that they would likely never broadcast it. Some of them cited violence concerns, which was specious, because when Senator Coburn dounounced the airing of S.L. on the same grounds he was cowed into issuing an apology.

For the record I have not seen either movie since neither one interests me, but it is my considered opinion that the media exectives, owners, and prominent advertisers have priorities that often conflict with pure money-making.

Furthermore there is a feeback reaction between the media and its consumers. They can craft tastes somewhat then the consumers can want more of it. That consumers would be solely responsible for content of media defies logic. There are, afterall, two parties involved, each with vested interests. Consumers can change the channel, but when all the channels are similar, it won't have much effect on the media attitudes.

Wa Wa Wa. Cry you little baby. You are free to go post the story on stormfront.org and whine about it with your little racist buddies. I am sure they will care, and maybe even give you head to make you feel better.

That's basically how the MSM feels about (real) conservatives. "Take your concerns for truth and justice and go &(*& yourselvees". That's reality.

1/18/07, 11:33 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The news media should come with warning stickers: "What we show you are Man-Bites-Dog stories, not normal reality. If you try to live your life according to what we tell you, you will be sorry."


I am noticing more and more videos of violent black children on CNN, FOX etc. Usually with very little commentary, especially relating to race.

For CNN especially, I am thinking that they are feeling "we report -- you decide."

These often become the "most watched videos" of the site.

1/18/07, 11:42 AM

Anonymous jody said...

i don't agree with the angle that the media is simply reporting the news that will sell.

that sounds like hollywood executives trying to explain why so few movies with strong and obvious christian themes have been produced after many decades of market research and trying to tap into built-in fanbases.

"Oh, a Christian movie would never sell! We're out to make money, not lose it!"

yeah, who would buy tickets to see that? a christian movie would only have a GIGANTIC built-in fanbase. it would only have the largest available fanbase in the entire US.

even on isteve.com it seems like people are trying to do mental gymnastics to avoid admitting that the media is generally engaged in a long and never ending process of trying to keep american race relations in good shape by censoring and spinning the news.

it's gotten to the point where if the police are looking for a rape suspect, you automatically know he's not white if the media won't describe him.

as it pertains to the NFL, they spin, spin, spin. has ANY black criminal in the NFL ever been described as a bad person? aren't they always "outstanding young men"?

1/18/07, 4:36 PM

Blogger pablo H said...

Jody,

Not to go off-topic, but Hollywood now gets almost 60 percent of its boxoffice from overseas. In some cases, the movies make 2/3 of their boxoffice in Europe and Asia.

So, any movie that doesn't appeal to people in Japan/China and France/Italy isn't going to be made.

Hollywood is owned by INTERNATIONAL corporations. Stop thinking of Hollywood as American because it isn't.

1/19/07, 7:02 AM

Anonymous aces said...

Chris V: "Well, even though you can't remember where you saw it and can't show the actual figures, you've certainly rebutted years of historical precedent."

Actually, he was rebutting your unfounded remarks, not historical precendent.

1/19/07, 10:20 AM

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