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"How they reduce crime in New York City"

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Blogger rightsaidfred said...

Who did Bloomberg piss off to get this thing started?

4/5/13, 3:10 PM

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

Bloomberg is term limited out (actually he was term limited out four years ago as well, but the media made a big push to let him have one more term because they love him so much -- heck, he employs a lot of the media). So, this is jockeying over whether the police chief moves up to be mayor or not.

4/5/13, 3:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

But if blacks and Hispanics eventually decide that rather than getting randomly humiliated by The Man when they walk the streets of New York, they'd rather move to Georgia or Florida, well, don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out.

If he really is who he claims to be, and if he's in the mood to be honest with us about it, then I'd love to know what commenter "Truth" thinks of this.

4/5/13, 4:44 PM

Anonymous jody said...

obama sued arizona to stop LEOs in the state from doing exactly the same thing.

4/5/13, 4:51 PM

Anonymous Tony said...

You left out one important thing. Eric Adams is black. If his name was Deshawn, Darnell, or Dominique, nothing need be said. But Eric?

4/5/13, 5:05 PM

Blogger Whiskey said...

Would you rather starve in places like say, Atlanta, or get free stuff in NYC? With the pleasure of scaring and intimidating unarmed White people, if you are Black or Hispanic and of the thug persuasion?

A Black or Hispanic guy who goes to work every day, and gets hassled, and has skills, will move. Thugs not so much.

Anyway, water under the bridge. Stop and Frisk is as dead as the Whigs.

4/5/13, 5:10 PM

Anonymous ATBOTL said...

Remember that the architects of stop and frisk believe that "right wing patriots" are the biggest threat to America.

4/5/13, 6:19 PM

Anonymous anony-mouse said...

I seriously doubt that Kelly would tell a Black governor, while in the presence of a Black cop to witness it, that he discriminated against Blacks.

That doesn't mean he didn't-just that he wouldn't have said so. You can't rise in any government hierarchy saying things like that.

4/5/13, 7:02 PM

Anonymous eah said...

Gentrification would do it too. But that takes a while. And the media generally whines about and opposes it. Which makes it take even longer.

4/5/13, 7:44 PM

Anonymous Dave Pinsen said...

The deterrence explanation makes sense, in an Occam's Razor sort of way. A quick example to illustrate the magic trick the NYPD has pulled. Last Friday night / Saturday morning, my inamorata and I went to one of our favorite open-late restaurants in the West Village. Driving on West 12th at 2am, my only fear was that I might hit a drunken white person stumbling out into the street.

Young white (and a few Asian) kids -- including women by themselves -- were walking around looking at their smart phones like they had no natural predators. And bear in mind there was no obvious NYPD presence there -- it wasn't like Times Square where you see platoons of cops out in force. It was just a NAM-free zone. The only NAMs we saw all night were the busboys and bar backs.

That wasn't an atypical night down there either.

4/5/13, 7:47 PM

Blogger Lionel said...

I worked in Manhattan on 23rd St. for a few years in the late 70's. Theres a big park, Madison Square Park, between Madison and 5th. Back in the 70's it was always full of drug dealers. Now, its very nice, very yuppie. The whole area south of 23rd (the Flatiron district) is much cleaned up and it is much whiter. They are doing something to make it whiter.

4/5/13, 8:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The more obvious interpretation is that Kelly wants them to be scared of the police so that think twice about carrying a knife or a gun with them when they leave the house. This is a great benefit both to the young black man who is prevented from murdering from someone and the young black man who is is prevented from being murdered.

4/5/13, 8:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gentrification would do it too. But that takes a while. And the media generally whines about and opposes it. Which makes it take even longer.

Does the media oppose gentrification? Aren't they part of the gentrifying class in big cities?

4/5/13, 8:33 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

one of our favorite open-late restaurants in the West Village.

Which one?

4/5/13, 8:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

@whiskey

Would you rather starve in places like say, Atlanta, or get free stuff in NYC? With the pleasure of scaring and intimidating unarmed White people, if you are Black or Hispanic and of the thug persuasion?

Do you think more scaring and intimidating of white people goes on in New York City or in Atlanta?

4/5/13, 8:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

But if blacks and Hispanics eventually decide that rather than getting randomly humiliated by The Man when they walk the streets of New York, they'd rather move to Georgia or Florida, well, don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out.

Is there any testimonial evidence that blacks are deliberately being squeezed out of certain big cities?

4/5/13, 8:39 PM

Anonymous Dave Pinsen said...

one of our favorite open-late restaurants in the West Village.

Which one?


The Greenwich Ave outpost of The Meatball Shop

4/5/13, 8:41 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've lived in NYC for more than 20 years and follow local politics a little. Eric Adams is not a credible witness to me.

4/5/13, 8:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"A Black or Hispanic guy who goes to work every day, and gets hassled, and has skills, will move. Thugs not so much."

They're not going to stop and hassle a guy who looks* like he's going to work. They'll stop people who look like gangstas either because they are or because they want to look that way so the real gangstas target someone weaker looking.

(*or more likely people they already recognize and know are criminals.)

Once the gangstas have been forced out the guy going to work can be pushed out the easy way via gentrification.

4/5/13, 9:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Who did Bloomberg piss off to get this thing started?"

I could be wrong about this. Maybe even paranoid. But there was a period when local Republicans were trying to recruit Ray Kelly to run for mayor in this year's election. I think I started hearing about stop and frisk around that time. It wouldn't shock me if this was started by one of Kelly's potential opponents. It's now out of the bag though, has a life of its own.

According to this web page stop-and-frisk has been in effect since at least 2002. I swear that I never heard a word about it till last year. Had anyone?

By the way, according to the NYPD, so far this year we've had 29% fewer murders than last year. Last year NYC only had 417 murders. It had 2,262 in 1990. When I think of what anti-stop-and-frisk activists are trying to do, my blood boils.

4/5/13, 9:14 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"According to this web page stop-and-frisk has been in effect since at least 2002. I swear that I never heard a word about it till last year. Had anyone?"

Lot longer than that. That's how zero tolerance worked except back then *maybe* the overall balance was weighted more towards crime and less towards cleansing prime real estate to make money.

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"By the way, according to the NYPD, so far this year we've had 29% fewer murders than last year. Last year NYC only had 417 murders. It had 2,262 in 1990. When I think of what anti-stop-and-frisk activists are trying to do, my blood boils."

My blood boils for those who died because New York "liberals" section eighted their murder rate onto other people outside the city so they could have Manhattan for themselves.

4/5/13, 10:52 PM

Anonymous Svigor said...

My blood boils for those who died because New York "liberals" section eighted their murder rate onto other people outside the city so they could have Manhattan for themselves.

One wonders how this will all play out. Is CoNY going to lose S&F in the courts? Or will all of America gain it? I think I'm happy with either outcome. So they'll probably find a third option.

4/6/13, 8:18 AM

Anonymous jody said...

" I swear that I never heard a word about it till last year. Had anyone?"

i heard about it all through the 00s, as blue collar guys were routinely stopped and checked, with the police taking away their work knives. on the subway and on the street, middle class laborers were having their blades taken away. that's where i first heard about it. i posted about this on here a few years ago, before the mainstream media coverage.

the police department would send out some officers and their assignment that month was to frisk down people for knives and harrass them if the blades were too long or not fixed or whatever. i'm sure they were doing the same for handguns and other various quotas. same with state police or traffic police who have montly quotas adjusted up and down by the police chief about how many speeding tickets they should write, how many traffic citations they should be averaging. the political battle over those kinds of things emerged in the 90s where the police departments became wary of giving too many tickets and traffic stops to the wrong kind of people, and instituted racial profiling quotas.

after 2000 is when i really noticed many police departments were going hands off on illegal aliens and there was a clear edict from the top down that mexicans were not to be touched, don't enforce the law on them, only on regular americans. this has escalated into a national battle, or well, maybe the battle is almost over now and the bad guys won, after obama mostly got what he wanted out of his lawsuit against arizona. i guess the bad guys are on to the next battle, making sure voter ID never happens.

4/6/13, 12:25 PM

Anonymous eh said...

We're now into an era in which perjury is a good career move. Look for this guy Adams to be appointed asst. solicitor general, or at least get a tenured professorship at Georgetown.

4/6/13, 1:31 PM

Anonymous Perspective said...

If S&F is stopped, it will be interesting to see what impact this will have on crime rates in the city. Would there be a sudden burst? Or a gradual escalation?

4/6/13, 3:53 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Svigor
"Or will all of America gain it?"

There's a thought. Unlikely of course but you never know.

4/6/13, 3:59 PM

Anonymous Matthew said...

"Do you think more scaring and intimidating of white people goes on in New York City or in Atlanta?"

In Atlanta, obviously. In NYC the Chosen Ones can get away with intimidating them back. In Atlanta if the whites fight back, hell hath no fury.

4/6/13, 7:40 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If S&F is stopped, it will be interesting to see what impact this will have on crime rates in the city. Would there be a sudden burst? Or a gradual escalation?

Also interesting to see what impact it would have on attitudes of New York residents to citizen gun possession.

4/6/13, 9:06 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If S&F is stopped, it will be interesting to see what impact this will have on crime rates in the city. Would there be a sudden burst? Or a gradual escalation?"

Stay about the same unless people who were chased out to commit crimes in other towns came back.

But on the bright side that means those towns whose murder rate was section eighted will have a reduction.

Cool huh.

4/7/13, 2:05 AM

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