Well, of course I wrote my own piece about this very subject at filmicability. But very quickly:
ECSTATIC ABOUT: The snubbing of THE DARK KNIGHT for Best Picture, Director, and Adapted Screenplay.
HAPPY ABOUT: nominations for Heath Ledger, Mickey Rourke, Melissa Leo, Richard Jenkins, Michael Shannon, Amy Adams, Viola Davis, Marisa Tomei, MIA (for co-writing a SLUMDOG song), Mike Leigh, IN BRUGES, Courtney Hunt's script for FROZEN RIVER, and the screenplay for WALL-E.
SAD ABOUT: the complete passing over of THE FALL; Michelle Williams for WENDY AND LUCY; Sally Hawkins and Eddie Marsan in HAPPY GO LUCKY; the titles songs for both THE WRESTLER and GRAN TORINO; the script and lead performances in REVOLUTIONARY ROAD; the lack of any love for SYNECDOCHE NY.
Also, completely indifferent about the showings of SLUMDOG, BENJAMIN BUTTON, THE READER. But I do like FROST/NIXON and MILK. I'd go with MILK as the best of the bunch. But it's hardly my favorite of the year, by any stretch of the imagination. This confirms my suspicion that 2008 was a terrible movie year. But 2009 will be superb!
January 22, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Anonymous said...
I was sorry The Dark Knight got snubbed, I like to see the Academy throw a bone to movies that are popular and somewhat ambitious (like LOTR), and this was a great chance to do that. Glad Downey got a nomination for Tropic Thunder. And "The Reader"? I never heard of it, that ain't going to help the ratings.
Dean, I agree that, with the exception of Heath Ledger, The Dark Knight (a movie which I enjoyed, BTW) had no reason to be nominated, especially with Nolan's poor direction of the action in the third act. There's a running conversation on this at Jim Emerson's Scanners.
Regarding The Fall, you'll definitely see it in my top 10 tomorrow, but are you really surprised the Academy overlooked it?
And why wasn't Bruce nominated? Or Charlie Kaufman? Those two were extra disappointing.
I don't agree that 2008 was a terrible movie year, but most of the good films were outside the mainstream, and outside America.
Downey for Tropic Thunder was a good pick. Despite the fact that I didn't like the movie as a whole, Downey and Cruise gave great turns in that one, and I like when the Academy acknowledges a comedy.
As for The Reader, you haven't heard it, and I haven't seen it. My holiday season had enough Nazis in it with The Boy in the Striped Pajamas, Valkyrie, and Defiance.
January 22, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Anonymous said...
Tropic Thunder was only a mixed bag, like a lot of comedies, but Downey was worthy of a nomination. One other comment - have seen two of the Best Documentary features and would really like to see Man On Wire win, and I expect it will, excellent movie. Also saw the Herzog movie, it had some interesting parts, and also some off the wall questions from Herzog, it was ok but nowhere near the level of Man On Wire.
Word is SPringsteen may have been snubbed because the song wasn't techincally "in" the movie. It only plays over credits. There have been a lot of rule changes in the category over the past few years, so there may have been some confusion or mixed messages or something. Otherwise, there's really no reason not to nominate it. Oscar loves having stars out there, music and otherwise, and having Springsteen out there would have been huge. There almost has to be a bigger story behind that.
The only real thing I am sad about is Sally Hawkins. Totally expected her to be nominated (if not win) and she didn't even get nominated. Stunning. Nathaniel at The Film Experience has some perspective on the enormity of the snub (as she won LA, NYC, and the Globe). Everything else that got overlooked was fairly expected to me (other than the song, also).
Glad to see Leo and Jenkins in there, but I wish there would have been more love for Wall*E and The Wrestler (which, probably because its purposefully a touch grainy, got snubbed for cinematography. My cinematography friend sends his pissed off-ness).
Both docs are on my Netflix queue after your recommendation, thanks.
James,
Bruce was robbed! and so was Hawkins, but that one is a little more understandable. This was a stronger than average year for actresses. I think the only one I might have kicked off the Best Actress list was Jolie, not because she was bad, but because it's your typical paint-by-numbers-Oscar-caliber-performance-.
Sad that Wall-E has limited prospects because it's animated, true. But though I liked The Wrestler, and it is better than any of the nominated films, in a truly just world that nominated deserving films I'm not sure The Wrestler is anything more than a really well-executed genre movie. It only merited an honorable mention from me this year.
Wrestler will only get an honorable mention from me as well, but I'll still take it over any of the other 5 Best Picture nominees.
As far as Best Actress goes...I still can't believe Hawkins isn't in, even if it is a tough year. Honestly, I was underwhelmed by Streep and Winslet. Jolie is classically showy. Hathaway gives a solid performance for sure though. I just think Hawkins is #@$*ing transcendentally amazing in HGL. I don't even LOVE HGL, but still found her performance one of the best in a long time.
But what can ya do. I signed off of getting too invested in the Oscars a couple of years ago. I still "like" them and follow whats going on, but its just another awards show for me. I take what's coming out of Cannes a lot more seriously. Perhaps that's because of my largely European interests, but still...
As for the Oscars, I agree with you up to a point. It's kind of the only game in town in a sense. Actual filmmakers and actresses awarding themselves has more stock with me that the Golden Globes which is just an excuse for the Hollywood Foreign Press Association to justify their limited influence, and get a chance to dine with the stars. Winslet's wins in both the Actress and Supporing Actress category - for a pair of perfomances that were good but not great - was a joke.
The Oscars are still respected enough that even some of the critics who pooh-pooh AMPAS will still look to the Academy's picks for guidance when it comes to viewing documentaries, short subjects, etc.
I'd have taken TDK being nominated for Picture, Director and Screenplay eons, decades and eras before I would have taken vanilla, risk-free fare like Frost/Nixon and Benjamin Button. I'm not with the public on most choices, but I am here, and am utterly disheartened to see Button, despite its being made by a favorite director and starring a favorite actor, garner 13 nominations, mostly for looking good (which it indeed did).
While I'm not sure if The Wrestler deserved a Best Pic nom, I'd agree with those that think it more deserving than some of the other choices. I'd have most liked to have seen it given the Cinematography nod I think it highly deserved.
You have a point about TDK and The Wrestler from that perspective.
Lissette,
I have to disagree with you. The material Pitt was handed is what stifled the creativity. But Fincher and he both tried to stretch beyond the limitations of Roth's copycat screenplay. And while the resemblance to Roth's own Forrest Gump was inherent in his weak screenplay for Button, I suspect the similarity to Meet Joe Black was deliberate and calculated on Fincher's part (and maybe even Pitt's) in order to comment on Pitt's youth and blankness in that earlier picture that dealt with the same themes. This in essence gives the cipher-like Button a meta-history, in the moviegoer's consciousness, that lives outside Button's nearly 3-hour running time.
That being said, Lissette, maybe Benicio deserved the nom for Best Actor more than Brad.
January 27, 2009 at 11:24 AM
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I would like to hear your thoughts on the Oscar nominations announced this morning. Listed below are the nominees. Please leave your opinion in the comments section. I'll join in with my own once we get the ball rolling.
Performance by an actor in a leading role
Richard Jenkins in The Visitor
Frank Langella in Frost/Nixon
Sean Penn in Milk
Brad Pitt in The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Mickey Rourke in The WrestlerPerformance by an actor in a supporting role
Josh Brolin in Milk
Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder
Philip Seymour Hoffman in Doubt
Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight
Michael Shannon in Revolutionary RoadPerformance by an actress in a leading role
Anne Hathaway in Rachel Getting Married
Angelina Jolie in Changeling
Melissa Leo in Frozen River
Meryl Streep in Doubt
Kate Winslet in The ReaderPerformance by an actress in a supporting role
Amy Adams in Doubt
Penélope Cruz in Vicky Cristina Barcelona
Viola Davis in Doubt
Taraji P. Henson in The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Marisa Tomei in The WrestlerBest animated feature film of the yearBolt, Chris Williams and Byron Howard
Kung Fu Panda, John Stevenson and Mark Osborne
WALL-E, Andrew Stanton
Achievement in art directionChangeling, Art Direction: James J. Murakami, Set Decoration: Gary Fettis
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Art Direction: Donald Graham Burt, Set Decoration: Victor J. Zolfo
The Dark Knight, Art Direction: Nathan Crowley, Set Decoration: Peter Lando
The Duchess, Art Direction: Michael Carlin, Set Decoration: Rebecca Alleway
Revolutionary Road, Art Direction: Kristi Zea, Set Decoration: Debra Schutt
Achievement in cinematographyChangeling, Tom Stern
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Claudio Miranda
The Dark Knight, Wally Pfister
The Reader, Chris Menges and Roger Deakins
Slumdog Millionaire, Anthony Dod Mantle
Achievement in costume designAustralia, Catherine Martin
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Jacqueline West
The Duchess, Michael O’Connor
Milk, Danny Glicker
Revolutionary Road, Albert Wolsky
Achievement in directingThe Curious Case of Benjamin Button, David Fincher
Frost/Nixon, Ron Howard
Milk, Gus Van Sant
The Reader, Stephen Daldry
Slumdog Millionaire, Danny Boyle
Best documentary featureThe Betrayal (Nerakhoon), Ellen Kuras and Thavisouk Phrasavath
Encounters at the End of the World, Werner Herzog and Henry Kaiser
The Garden, Scott Hamilton Kennedy
Man on Wire, James Marsh and Simon Chinn
Trouble the Water, Tia Lessin and Carl Deal
Best documentary short subjectThe Conscience of Nhem En, Steven Okazaki
The Final Inch, Irene Taylor Brodsky and Tom Grant
Smile Pinki, Megan Mylan
The Witness - From the Balcony of Room 306, Adam Pertofsky and Margaret Hyde
Achievement in film editingThe Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Kirk Baxter and Angus Wall
The Dark Knight, Lee Smith
Frost/Nixon, Mike Hill and Dan Hanley
Milk, Elliot Graham
Slumdog Millionaire, Chris Dickens
Best foreign language film of the yearThe Baader Meinhof Complex, Germany
The Class, France
Departures, Japan
Revanche, Austria
Waltz with Bashir, Israel
Achievement in makeupThe Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Greg Cannom
The Dark Knight, John Caglione, Jr. and Conor O’Sullivan
Hellboy II: The Golden Army, Mike Elizalde and Thom Floutz
Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original score)The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Alexandre Desplat
Defiance, James Newton Howard
Milk, Danny Elfman
Slumdog Millionaire, A.R. Rahman
WALL-E, Thomas Newman
Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original song)
“Down to Earth” from WALL-E, Music by Peter Gabriel and Thomas Newman, Lyric by Peter Gabriel
“Jai Ho” from Slumdog Millionaire, Music by A.R. Rahman, Lyric by Gulzar
“O Saya” from Slumdog Millionaire, Music and Lyric by A.R. Rahman and Maya Arulpragasam
Best motion picture of the yearThe Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Kathleen Kennedy, Frank Marshall and Ceán Chaffin, Producers
Frost/Nixon, Brian Grazer, Ron Howard and Eric Fellner, Producers
Milk, A Groundswell and Jinks/Cohen Company Production, Dan Jinks and Bruce Cohen, Producers
The Reader, Nominees to be determined
Slumdog Millionaire, Christian Colson, Producer
Best animated short filmLa Maison en Petits Cubes, Kunio Kato
Lavatory - Lovestory, Konstantin Bronzit
Oktapodi, Emud Mokhberi and Thierry Marchand
Presto, Doug Sweetland
This Way Up, Alan Smith and Adam Foulkes
Best live action short filmAuf der Strecke (On the Line), Reto Caffi
Manon on the Asphalt, Elizabeth Marre and Olivier Pont
New Boy, Steph Green and Tamara Anghie
The Pig, Tivi Magnusson and Dorte Høgh
Spielzeugland (Toyland), Jochen Alexander Freydank
Achievement in sound editingThe Dark Knight, Richard King
Iron Man, Frank Eulner and Christopher Boyes
Slumdog Millionaire, Tom Sayers
WALL-E, Ben Burtt and Matthew Wood
Wanted, Wylie Stateman
Achievement in sound mixingThe Curious Case of Benjamin Button, David Parker, Michael Semanick, Ren Klyce and Mark Weingarten
The Dark Knight, Lora Hirschberg, Gary Rizzo and Ed Novick
Slumdog Millionaire, Ian Tapp, Richard Pryke and Resul Pookutty
WALL-E, Tom Myers, Michael Semanick and Ben Burtt
Wanted, Chris Jenkins, Frank A. Montaño and Petr Forejt
Achievement in visual effectsThe Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Eric Barba, Steve Preeg, Burt Dalton and Craig Barron
The Dark Knight, Nick Davis, Chris Corbould, Tim Webber and Paul Franklin
Iron Man, John Nelson, Ben Snow, Dan Sudick and Shane Mahan
Adapted screenplayThe Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Screenplay by Eric Roth, Screen story by Eric Roth and Robin Swicord
Doubt, Written by John Patrick Shanley
Frost/Nixon, Screenplay by Peter Morgan
The Reader, Screenplay by David Hare
Slumdog Millionaire, Screenplay by Simon Beaufoy
Original screenplayFrozen River, Written by Courtney Hunt
Happy-Go-Lucky, Written by Mike Leigh
In Bruges, Written by Martin McDonagh
Milk, Written by Dustin Lance Black
WALL-E, Screenplay by Andrew Stanton, Jim Reardon, Original story by Andrew Stanton, Pete Docter
For more on the Best of 2008:
Best of 2008: Animated FeaturesBest of 2008: Performances and Creative AchievementsBest of 2008: The 10 Best Films of the Year
"Best of 2008: Oscar Nominations Open Thread"
14 Comments -
Well, of course I wrote my own piece about this very subject at filmicability. But very quickly:
ECSTATIC ABOUT: The snubbing of THE DARK KNIGHT for Best Picture, Director, and Adapted Screenplay.
HAPPY ABOUT: nominations for Heath Ledger, Mickey Rourke, Melissa Leo, Richard Jenkins, Michael Shannon, Amy Adams, Viola Davis, Marisa Tomei, MIA (for co-writing a SLUMDOG song), Mike Leigh, IN BRUGES, Courtney Hunt's script for FROZEN RIVER, and the screenplay for WALL-E.
SAD ABOUT: the complete passing over of THE FALL; Michelle Williams for WENDY AND LUCY; Sally Hawkins and Eddie Marsan in HAPPY GO LUCKY; the titles songs for both THE WRESTLER and GRAN TORINO; the script and lead performances in REVOLUTIONARY ROAD; the lack of any love for SYNECDOCHE NY.
January 22, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Also, completely indifferent about the showings of SLUMDOG, BENJAMIN BUTTON, THE READER. But I do like FROST/NIXON and MILK. I'd go with MILK as the best of the bunch. But it's hardly my favorite of the year, by any stretch of the imagination. This confirms my suspicion that 2008 was a terrible movie year. But 2009 will be superb!
January 22, 2009 at 4:56 PM
I was sorry The Dark Knight got snubbed, I like to see the Academy throw a bone to movies that are popular and somewhat ambitious (like LOTR), and this was a great chance to do that. Glad Downey got a nomination for Tropic Thunder. And "The Reader"? I never heard of it, that ain't going to help the ratings.
January 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Dean, I agree that, with the exception of Heath Ledger, The Dark Knight (a movie which I enjoyed, BTW) had no reason to be nominated, especially with Nolan's poor direction of the action in the third act. There's a running conversation on this at Jim Emerson's Scanners.
Regarding The Fall, you'll definitely see it in my top 10 tomorrow, but are you really surprised the Academy overlooked it?
And why wasn't Bruce nominated? Or Charlie Kaufman? Those two were extra disappointing.
I don't agree that 2008 was a terrible movie year, but most of the good films were outside the mainstream, and outside America.
January 22, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Hi Patrick,
Downey for Tropic Thunder was a good pick. Despite the fact that I didn't like the movie as a whole, Downey and Cruise gave great turns in that one, and I like when the Academy acknowledges a comedy.
As for The Reader, you haven't heard it, and I haven't seen it. My holiday season had enough Nazis in it with The Boy in the Striped Pajamas, Valkyrie, and Defiance.
January 22, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Tropic Thunder was only a mixed bag, like a lot of comedies, but Downey was worthy of a nomination. One other comment - have seen two of the Best Documentary features and would really like to see Man On Wire win, and I expect it will, excellent movie. Also saw the Herzog movie, it had some interesting parts, and also some off the wall questions from Herzog, it was ok but nowhere near the level of Man On Wire.
January 22, 2009 at 9:04 PM
Word is SPringsteen may have been snubbed because the song wasn't techincally "in" the movie. It only plays over credits. There have been a lot of rule changes in the category over the past few years, so there may have been some confusion or mixed messages or something. Otherwise, there's really no reason not to nominate it. Oscar loves having stars out there, music and otherwise, and having Springsteen out there would have been huge. There almost has to be a bigger story behind that.
The only real thing I am sad about is Sally Hawkins. Totally expected her to be nominated (if not win) and she didn't even get nominated. Stunning. Nathaniel at The Film Experience has some perspective on the enormity of the snub (as she won LA, NYC, and the Globe). Everything else that got overlooked was fairly expected to me (other than the song, also).
Glad to see Leo and Jenkins in there, but I wish there would have been more love for Wall*E and The Wrestler (which, probably because its purposefully a touch grainy, got snubbed for cinematography. My cinematography friend sends his pissed off-ness).
January 23, 2009 at 12:56 AM
Patrick,
Both docs are on my Netflix queue after your recommendation, thanks.
James,
Bruce was robbed! and so was Hawkins, but that one is a little more understandable. This was a stronger than average year for actresses. I think the only one I might have kicked off the Best Actress list was Jolie, not because she was bad, but because it's your typical paint-by-numbers-Oscar-caliber-performance-.
Sad that Wall-E has limited prospects because it's animated, true. But though I liked The Wrestler, and it is better than any of the nominated films, in a truly just world that nominated deserving films I'm not sure The Wrestler is anything more than a really well-executed genre movie. It only merited an honorable mention from me this year.
January 23, 2009 at 9:32 AM
Wrestler will only get an honorable mention from me as well, but I'll still take it over any of the other 5 Best Picture nominees.
As far as Best Actress goes...I still can't believe Hawkins isn't in, even if it is a tough year. Honestly, I was underwhelmed by Streep and Winslet. Jolie is classically showy. Hathaway gives a solid performance for sure though. I just think Hawkins is #@$*ing transcendentally amazing in HGL. I don't even LOVE HGL, but still found her performance one of the best in a long time.
But what can ya do. I signed off of getting too invested in the Oscars a couple of years ago. I still "like" them and follow whats going on, but its just another awards show for me. I take what's coming out of Cannes a lot more seriously. Perhaps that's because of my largely European interests, but still...
January 23, 2009 at 9:48 PM
James,
Agreed on The Wrestler and Jolie.
As for the Oscars, I agree with you up to a point. It's kind of the only game in town in a sense. Actual filmmakers and actresses awarding themselves has more stock with me that the Golden Globes which is just an excuse for the Hollywood Foreign Press Association to justify their limited influence, and get a chance to dine with the stars. Winslet's wins in both the Actress and Supporing Actress category - for a pair of perfomances that were good but not great - was a joke.
The Oscars are still respected enough that even some of the critics who pooh-pooh AMPAS will still look to the Academy's picks for guidance when it comes to viewing documentaries, short subjects, etc.
January 24, 2009 at 2:29 PM
I'd have taken TDK being nominated for Picture, Director and Screenplay eons, decades and eras before I would have taken vanilla, risk-free fare like Frost/Nixon and Benjamin Button. I'm not with the public on most choices, but I am here, and am utterly disheartened to see Button, despite its being made by a favorite director and starring a favorite actor, garner 13 nominations, mostly for looking good (which it indeed did).
While I'm not sure if The Wrestler deserved a Best Pic nom, I'd agree with those that think it more deserving than some of the other choices. I'd have most liked to have seen it given the Cinematography nod I think it highly deserved.
January 26, 2009 at 11:19 AM
I totally disagree with Brad Pitt for Best Actor. Ugh. I felt like I was watching The Curious Case of Joe Black.
January 27, 2009 at 9:29 AM
Fletch,
You have a point about TDK and The Wrestler from that perspective.
Lissette,
I have to disagree with you. The material Pitt was handed is what stifled the creativity. But Fincher and he both tried to stretch beyond the limitations of Roth's copycat screenplay. And while the resemblance to Roth's own Forrest Gump was inherent in his weak screenplay for Button, I suspect the similarity to Meet Joe Black was deliberate and calculated on Fincher's part (and maybe even Pitt's) in order to comment on Pitt's youth and blankness in that earlier picture that dealt with the same themes. This in essence gives the cipher-like Button a meta-history, in the moviegoer's consciousness, that lives outside Button's nearly 3-hour running time.
January 27, 2009 at 11:23 AM
That being said, Lissette, maybe Benicio deserved the nom for Best Actor more than Brad.
January 27, 2009 at 11:24 AM