When I started working in psychiatric settings in the early 70's the approach was much different. Children almost never got meds, they got play therapy, etc. Adolescents with severe debilitating mental illness got meds but the ones who could go to school did not in general. At present meds get over relied, on in my opinion. Medicating kids makes it easier for adults to cope. How much it does for the kids is open to debate, again in my opinion. I think the main reason for this is cost. Mental health services of any sort are labor intensive and costly and politicians and insurance companies have pushed counseling more or less out the door in favor of the substantially less expensive pharmaceuticals. Despite all current the hand wringing and self righteousness about improving mental health treatment. I will be astounded if anything changes simply because the money is not there as it was (sort of) forty years ago. Psychiatry and Psychology are mocked as play science. Mental disordered people are despised and shunned and no one but no one wants to deal with the situation. I apologize if I sound like a shrill do-gooder. I don't mean to, I am trying to explain "how I see it" from the viewpoint of someone who "was there" for a few decades.
December 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Anonymous said...
Robert--
Not sure how I got this spam, but it is apropos of your article and the things that follow with certainty.
The primary-school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, approximately 45 miles from the Colt Arms Factory, is just another one in the long line of government psyops designed to persuade the public to allow the government to take away their guns, and their means to defend themselves against the government and the banksters that the politicians really serve.
The small children murders are designed to create hysterical emotions in women to get them to demand that guns are banned. If that doesn’t work they will continue with their evil agenda with worse and worse atrocities on younger children, until they get their way and disarm the people, so that they cannot fight back against government tyranny.
Newtown is the U.S.A.’s Dunblane, which was orchestrated in Scotland in 1996 by the British establishment, to whip up hysteria in order to ban all handguns from the U.K. It was a follow-up to the Hungerford Massacre in England in 1987, which was carried out by mind-controlled Michael Ryan, who then shot himself so he could not be questioned, and it was used to ban semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.
It’s always the same people behind it – the gun-grabbers who want the people to be defenceless against the gun-grabbers’ employers – the banksters who own all of the politicians. They get their politicians to pass legislation for them, in order to remove the people’s freedoms and means of defending themselves, and enslave them in a draconian police-state, under a mountain of debt, and then exterminate the useless-eaters.
The Dunblane massacre was supposedly carried out by Thomas Hamilton, who was a paedophile and procurer of children, for a high level paedophile ring involving senior members of the Tony Blair Labour-Party shadow-cabinet and others. The massacre served two purposes, it achieved their desired handgun-ban and killed the abused children, so they could not be witnesses against the elite-paedophiles. They then had the findings of the inquiry sealed for 100 years, which is proof of the above.
Like Newtown there were two shooters, Hamilton and a hit-man who shot Hamilton and made it look like Hamilton committed suicide after shooting 16 children, so that he couldn’t be questioned. Hamilton was found in the school gymnasium slumped against a wall and still gurgling, when an off-duty policeman PC Grant McCutcheon entered the gym and saw two semi-automatic pistols, one on either side of Hamilton’s body.
The autopsy revealed that Hamilton was killed with a .38 revolver. These people always slip-up with their crimes. There was no .38 revolver for him to have shot himself with. Thus, there was a second shooter who killed Hamilton.
Similarly, the first reports from Newtown were of two shooters, just like mind-controlled James Holmes in the Denver Batman Cinema massacre, the story then quickly changes to just one.
Columbine was similar, in that a team of shooters in black outfits were seen there and the two accused were on mind-altering prescription-drugs.
Wake up and see the pattern and their modus operandi and don’t fall for it. Never let them take your guns, except from your cold dead hands.
All of these are staged events to whip-up hysterical public support for banning the people from having guns. It works the same in every country – Hungerford in England, Dunblane in Scotland, Port Arthur in Australia and the list in America is endless, because of the Second Amendment and the people having a pro-gun culture. That makes it much more difficult to break the Americans’ love of guns and the Second Amendment, which was put in place to protect the people from the government.
Gun bans work well for tyrants. They worked well for Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao, to name just three.
If you want to stop these massacres, wake-up and get rid of the banksters, their puppet-politicians and all gun-grabbers; arm teachers and ban gun-free zones.
From one who can see the pattern and hopes to enable you to see it too.
Really interesting linkage. They might be on to something. I think Jon's comments are most interesting since he worked in that system.
December 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Anonymous said...
The Israeli's did it...http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/middle-east-north-africa/273481-failed-gop-candidate-blames-israel-for-sandy-hook-shooting-on-iranian-television
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My friend Craig R died yesterday. Craig is Melissa's dad and had been experiencing significant health issues for a while. He finished his crossword puzzle, laid down and never woke up. A pretty good way to leave. Craig was a great guy, always very good to me personally. Melissa told me today that her father was very shook up over the Newtown shootings. I think that they are still reverberating through our society in a very powerful way.
I was talking to longtime psychiatrist friend Lou this morning about the possibility that an overmedicated American youth might be partially responsible for the recurring violence we are witnessing lately and he said definitely. He told me that he is trying to use herbs with his young patients as much as possible these days.
BigDave sent me this link to Washington's Blog Are the New Generation of Anti-Depressant Medications Contributing to School Shootings? A must read. Definitely needs to be researched thoroughly. The original link is from ssristories.com.
"Running for the shelter..."
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When I started working in psychiatric settings in the early 70's the approach was much different. Children almost never got meds, they got play therapy, etc. Adolescents with severe debilitating mental illness got meds but the ones who could go to school did not in general. At present meds get over relied, on in my opinion. Medicating kids makes it easier for adults to cope. How much it does for the kids is open to debate, again in my opinion. I think the main reason for this is cost. Mental health services of any sort are labor intensive and costly and politicians and insurance companies have pushed counseling more or less out the door in favor of the substantially less expensive pharmaceuticals. Despite all current the hand wringing and self righteousness about improving mental health treatment. I will be astounded if anything changes simply because the money is not there as it was (sort of) forty years ago. Psychiatry and Psychology are mocked as play science. Mental disordered people are despised and shunned and no one but no one wants to deal with the situation. I apologize if I sound like a shrill do-gooder. I don't mean to, I am trying to explain "how I see it" from the viewpoint of someone who "was there" for a few decades.
December 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Robert--
Not sure how I got this spam, but it is apropos of your article and the things that follow with certainty.
The primary-school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, approximately 45 miles from the Colt Arms Factory, is just another one in the long line of government psyops designed to persuade the public to allow the government to take away their guns, and their means to defend themselves against the government and the banksters that the politicians really serve.
The small children murders are designed to create hysterical emotions in women to get them to demand that guns are banned. If that doesn’t work they will continue with their evil agenda with worse and worse atrocities on younger children, until they get their way and disarm the people, so that they cannot fight back against government tyranny.
Newtown is the U.S.A.’s Dunblane, which was orchestrated in Scotland in 1996 by the British establishment, to whip up hysteria in order to ban all handguns from the U.K. It was a follow-up to the Hungerford Massacre in England in 1987, which was carried out by mind-controlled Michael Ryan, who then shot himself so he could not be questioned, and it was used to ban semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.
It’s always the same people behind it – the gun-grabbers who want the people to be defenceless against the gun-grabbers’ employers – the banksters who own all of the politicians. They get their politicians to pass legislation for them, in order to remove the people’s freedoms and means of defending themselves, and enslave them in a draconian police-state, under a mountain of debt, and then exterminate the useless-eaters.
The Dunblane massacre was supposedly carried out by Thomas Hamilton, who was a paedophile and procurer of children, for a high level paedophile ring involving senior members of the Tony Blair Labour-Party shadow-cabinet and others. The massacre served two purposes, it achieved their desired handgun-ban and killed the abused children, so they could not be witnesses against the elite-paedophiles. They then had the findings of the inquiry sealed for 100 years, which is proof of the above.
Like Newtown there were two shooters, Hamilton and a hit-man who shot Hamilton and made it look like Hamilton committed suicide after shooting 16 children, so that he couldn’t be questioned. Hamilton was found in the school gymnasium slumped against a wall and still gurgling, when an off-duty policeman PC Grant McCutcheon entered the gym and saw two semi-automatic pistols, one on either side of Hamilton’s body.
The autopsy revealed that Hamilton was killed with a .38 revolver. These people always slip-up with their crimes. There was no .38 revolver for him to have shot himself with. Thus, there was a second shooter who killed Hamilton.
Similarly, the first reports from Newtown were of two shooters, just like mind-controlled James Holmes in the Denver Batman Cinema massacre, the story then quickly changes to just one.
Columbine was similar, in that a team of shooters in black outfits were seen there and the two accused were on mind-altering prescription-drugs.
Wake up and see the pattern and their modus operandi and don’t fall for it. Never let them take your guns, except from your cold dead hands.
All of these are staged events to whip-up hysterical public support for banning the people from having guns. It works the same in every country – Hungerford in England, Dunblane in Scotland, Port Arthur in Australia and the list in America is endless, because of the Second Amendment and the people having a pro-gun culture. That makes it much more difficult to break the Americans’ love of guns and the Second Amendment, which was put in place to protect the people from the government.
Gun bans work well for tyrants. They worked well for Hitler, Stalin and Chairman Mao, to name just three.
If you want to stop these massacres, wake-up and get rid of the banksters, their puppet-politicians and all gun-grabbers; arm teachers and ban gun-free zones.
From one who can see the pattern and hopes to enable you to see it too.
December 17, 2012 at 3:11 PM
therein lies the prob and the lem.....
world gone wrong.
terribly sad for those poor families. breaks my heart.
random acts of kindness? probably a good idea.
ignore all the rest.
Stan
December 17, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Really interesting linkage. They might be on to something. I think Jon's comments are most interesting since he worked in that system.
December 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM
The Israeli's did it...http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/middle-east-north-africa/273481-failed-gop-candidate-blames-israel-for-sandy-hook-shooting-on-iranian-television
December 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Wow! You get all the FUN comments, Robert! ;)
December 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM