Thanks for the offer Ernst, this lp is new to me. Thanks also Clifford for the informations, listening to the music I'm not surprised to learn that the shadow of Bill Dixon is behind this group. In fact I appreciate this short but very interesting period of the avant garde when the musicians were working on the structures of the music more than on the fact to express some energy. I mean for exemple the difference between "Meditation" by Coltrane and "Evolution" by Grachan Moncur III One is working on the expression while the other one is working on the structure of the track. Interesting distant conversation between the end of the composition and the evolution of it. The rhythmic approach of the first track of this lp is a perfect exemple of what I mean.
A little more... Summerlin did indeed have a long career as a revered music educator, and never stopped composing. He lived somewhat north of the NYC scene in Pleasant Valley, NY, outside of Poughkeepsie. As he was about to turn 70 he decided he'd get around to documenting some of this on record, and in the late '90s got off Ictus 102,103 & 104. The revelation was that at 70 years old his stuff sounded more modern than cats half his age. Bob Norden is on 2 of the 3, as well as Joe Chambers, Adam Nussbaum, Tony Marino, Bruce Ahrens and my friends bassist Charlie Kniceley (who is an electric bass monster), drummer Chris Starpoli, and the incredible late altoist Ron Finck, who will no doubt be anoter revelation. About to rip these discs for a contribution. I saw the Summerlin-Norden quartet live a bunch of times in my younger days, since they were playing out off and on. Incredible charts, needles to say.
Please re-up your copy or make a copy? This is out of print and not on CD. Prices at discogs are prohibitively expensive for something I've never heard. Thank you in advance.
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The leaders of this album were completely unknown to me before I discovered this LP.
Of course the musicians in the rhythm-section are not totally unknown...
Interesting to see the trombonist Bob Norden playing on this mid-sixties recording.
Norden also plays a.o. on Bobby Bradford's and John Stevens' collaboration which was released by Chuck Nessa in 1980.
Don Heckman, alto saxophone
Ed Summerlin, tenor saxophone
Lew Gluckin, trumpet
Bob Norden, trombone
Steve Kuhn, piano
Ron Carter, bass (A1 to B1)
Steve Swallow, bass (B2)
Joe Hunt, drums (A1 to B1)
Joe Cocuzzo, drums (B2)
Lisa Zanda, voice (B2)
"DON HECKMAN - ED SUMMERLIN IMPROVISATIONAL WORKSHOP "JAX OR BETTOR" (JAZZWORKSHOP, 1965/66]"
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14 January 2018 at 20:04:00 CET
How did I not know about this album? Thanks Ernst for brining me up to speed.
15 January 2018 at 02:31:00 CET
nice one ernst, danke!
15 January 2018 at 04:36:00 CET
BIG THX!...
15 January 2018 at 04:44:00 CET
Cool -- I have the Ictus pressing, but have never seen this release variant.
Heckman was a writer and critic, while Summerlin was involved with composing along religious themes and also taught.
This group was also part of the October Revolution in Jazz curated by Bill Dixon in 1964.
15 January 2018 at 05:48:00 CET
Cool, thanks.
15 January 2018 at 08:57:00 CET
Nice one - remember Don Heckman's clarinet playing on Blood Sweat & Tears 4
15 January 2018 at 09:36:00 CET
Thank you!
16 January 2018 at 02:38:00 CET
Thank-you
16 January 2018 at 10:16:00 CET
Failed to get this when it first came out - many thanks for this opportunity to listen to it.
17 January 2018 at 10:09:00 CET
Thanks for the offer Ernst, this lp is new to me. Thanks also Clifford for the informations, listening to the music I'm not surprised to learn that the shadow of Bill Dixon is behind this group. In fact I appreciate this short but very interesting period of the avant garde when the musicians were working on the structures of the music more than on the fact to express some energy. I mean for exemple the difference between "Meditation" by Coltrane and "Evolution" by Grachan Moncur III One is working on the expression while the other one is working on the structure of the track. Interesting distant conversation between the end of the composition and the evolution of it. The rhythmic approach of the first track of this lp is a perfect exemple of what I mean.
19 January 2018 at 08:19:00 CET
Ta
21 January 2018 at 13:05:00 CET
Many thanks, Ernst!
23 January 2018 at 01:33:00 CET
Thanks a lot!
24 January 2018 at 15:58:00 CET
Great post! I never saw this one! Thanks, Ernst!
27 January 2018 at 18:39:00 CET
Thank you, Ernst, thank you !!
5 February 2018 at 16:05:00 CET
Thanks!
19 March 2018 at 15:43:00 CET
A little more... Summerlin did indeed have a long career as a revered music educator, and never stopped composing. He lived somewhat north of the NYC scene in Pleasant Valley, NY, outside of Poughkeepsie. As he was about to turn 70 he decided he'd get around to documenting some of this on record, and in the late '90s got off Ictus 102,103 & 104. The revelation was that at 70 years old his stuff sounded more modern than cats half his age. Bob Norden is on 2 of the 3, as well as Joe Chambers, Adam Nussbaum, Tony Marino, Bruce Ahrens and my friends bassist Charlie Kniceley (who is an electric bass monster), drummer Chris Starpoli, and the incredible late altoist Ron Finck, who will no doubt be anoter revelation. About to rip these discs for a contribution. I saw the Summerlin-Norden quartet live a bunch of times in my younger days, since they were playing out off and on. Incredible charts, needles to say.
8 April 2018 at 20:10:00 CEST
Thanks very much Aclev, for the background.
8 April 2018 at 23:04:00 CEST
Please re-up your copy or make a copy? This is out of print and not on CD. Prices at discogs are prohibitively expensive for something I've never heard. Thank you in advance.
1 July 2023 at 01:34:00 CEST
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1 July 2023 at 15:54:00 CEST
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1 July 2023 at 18:33:00 CEST
;-) !
1 July 2023 at 19:52:00 CEST
Many thanks
17 July 2023 at 20:00:00 CEST
Wonderful music, thank you!
17 July 2023 at 21:28:00 CEST
Thank you
18 September 2023 at 17:04:00 CEST