Don't hold your breath waiting for Dr. Evil and his Mini-Me to show up for a debate.....you would turn blue and die. I think Dr. Evil and Mini-Me live in their own small, insignificant, petty,trivial, inconsequential, trifling, irrelevant, unimportant, and niggling retilian brains. (Non-sequitur) Next thing you'll hear from the media is Brian Williams telling everyone that he attended the Washington Rally and came under hostile live-fire!
February 9, 2015 at 6:57 AM
Anonymous said...
Groups of Free Men acting are a completely different paradigm to herding [and shearing] sheeple.
An avalache of apples from carts being upset ...
III
February 9, 2015 at 7:37 AM
Ned said...
Goodness - I remember someone named Barry something who stated this: I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!
What about that Alan? Was he just a nut too?
February 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM
Anonymous said...
You challenge Gottlieb to debate? With a real moderator?
Make me laugh.
He'll never allow a free and open discussion where the integrity of his ideas are challenged and he can't maintain control and shut you down like he did at the 2012 GRPC.
Thank you for standing with WA gun owners in this brave action.
I would say that I'm ashamed that I couldn't participate, except that I think David Codrea is exactly right: the paradigm is shifting and we are going to be dragged into this whether we like it or not. So I'll get my chance.
You know that scene in the movie "300" where Delios, as narrator, says that Leonidas provoked Xerces' wrath? I call BS. No, Leonidas did not provoke it. Xerces provoked it by sending his minions to demand Sparta's submission.
No, neither you, nor the Patrick Henry Society provoked this paradigm shift. Bloomberg and 1,242,734 mini-tyrants provoked this with his money and their votes, respectively.
I'm no keyboard commando, as I roam the halls of the NC state legislator every year (on my third year of that, now), hunting politicians and their votes for fun and profit.
But with this paradigm shift, I fear (hope?) I may yet have a chance to shake my literal guns in their literal faces of the tyrants. (But will endeavor to not literally shake them out of their holsters and proper straps.)
Godspeed, Mike.
February 9, 2015 at 10:22 AM
Anonymous said...
It would be educational to see a debate between a true, knowledgeable patriot, always at the forefront of the modern Constitutional Rights movement, and one of the "crawfish", who have nothing to add but raising huge amounts of money from firearms supporters and benefactors, and whose only aim is to duplicate the already failed NRA policies of hiring lobbyists and "going along to get along", with nothing to show for the money.
Frankly, you'd knock him on his behind, and I would gladly pay money to see such a spectacle.
February 9, 2015 at 10:31 AM
Anonymous said...
If Dave workman has any guts, knowing he's already read this piece, he is doing two things at the moment. First, he's crafting his response (highlighting and cutting sentence after sentence and paragraph after paragraph because he recognizes the target rich environment they are) and two, talking to gotlies about how then to respond.
Because there is no proper way to respond outside accepting the challenge, they will decide that thier only course of action can now be the DEMOCRAT model they have already displayed. The target has been picked, frozen and now they are locked in to mocking chiding and even outright lying in order to avoid admitting they have already done all of the above.
The TEA parties had a similar scenario - one person acts foolishly and "mainstream media" picked THAT example to highlight and your as representative of the entire attendance. Hey DAVE, and ALAN, how does it feel being BUSTED doing EXACTLY the same thing as PROFRESSIVE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT GUN GRABBING RIGHTS HATING MEDIA???? Oh, and how is THAT workin out for it's "king of kings" Lyin Brian Williams? Can you say Dan Rather? For Cripes sakes man, you two are on par with Moms Demand Action and the rest of the gun controllers! You have and are now demonstrating that you are just as desperate - because you are engaging in exactly the same behavior!
I've long said that the NRA and SAF have more in common with the Brady Bunch (by all their names) than with Joe Six Pack Citizen BECAUSE they are more in tune with fundraising than with guns or rights that pertain to them. Indeed, Alan and his pathetic "minions" are fully engaged now on their own war on gun owners. It will get worse too because they will either escalate these attacks or they will move to totally ignore.
Ironically, moving to totally ignoring would show a stepping back and thus constitute an open loss, a running away, a turn tail because they already tried ignoring this altogether and have moved to attack.
The back attack has been been repelled and now a frontal confrontation has been issued by Mike. A OPEN debate for ALL to see. What we will all now witness is _______________.......... Crickets chirping.
They got nothing but Saul- and they know it. They know that filibusters will be called, waffling will be copy pasted detonated and truthful answers destroy them.
Folks. Add something to "Not One More Inch" please. "Not One More Penny"!!! Sending loot to SAF, or NRA for that matter, is exactly like sending money to Bloomberg and his Brady Bunch. So stop it.
February 9, 2015 at 10:48 AM
Anonymous said...
Isn't it funny that the AP is giving the protest in Olympia WA on 2/07 better press than Dave Workman and the Seattle Gun Rights Examiner!
Gottlieb and Workman couldn't wait to smear everyone with every little snide remark they could generate (the small crowd , etc).
"Hearings are set this week on some gun legislation, so those Evergreen State gun owners should find out soon if their concerns are warranted."
Now they are trying to imply that if bad legislation was to be passed in Washington State it would be all the OC fault. But there is one little dirty fact that will get out; Gottlieb and Workman support most of the bad legislation that has passed or is being promoted; backgrounds checks, smart guns, the so called lock your guns up & throw the key away bills, etc.
Anything evil that passes out of the Washington House (which most likely will die in the Senate BTW if that did happen) will have both Workman's and Gottlieb's fingerprints all over it.
The truth is and is getting out more & more, Gottlieb & Workman are traitors to the Second Amendment(no matter what they call their organization), notice how they walk lockstep with Bloomberg in destroying our rights, the sooner people recognize this the better for us all.
Gottlieb and Workman are enemies of the Second Amendment, plain and simple and will do everything they can to undermine anyone who truly believes in their individual right to bear arms!
February 9, 2015 at 10:50 AM
Anonymous said...
Workman has his nose so far up Gottlieb's ass that every time Gottleib farts, Workman does just a few minutes later. It is not possible for Workman to be more of a shill for Gottlieb.
I don't know who Gottlieb's Fuhrer is, but the miniscule mental meanderings of these two reminds me of a phrase from a book on Hitler. It was describing the actions of those below Hitler to garner, in essence, "brownie points".
The phrase was "working towards the Fuhrer".
Gottlieb is an "Uber Kapo" - what a distintion!! Wanna kiss some SS a$$, Alan?
I'm grateful that it was peaceful, yet dubbed the noses of the mandarins (as you so eloquently stated) in their own excrement-again!
Gottleib and his little toady attack because it WAS successful, without their counsel or backing. Indeed, this fact demonstrates they're pretentious and rather feckless.
With a pinch of luck, this will translate into financial ruin for that creep. :)
Clearly my worries about the press rewriting the story to gain the moral high-ground were unfounded.
Again, congratulations. :)
February 9, 2015 at 9:34 PM
Anonymous said...
Whether the crowd was 50 or a 100 people in this instance, I can assure you that had there been even 50 people there carrying signs that said "Hands Up, Don't Shoot", there would have been extensive national media coverage describing the gathering as a large group of people along with plenty of camera angle shots to make it appear so.
And likely Al Sharpton would have attended too.
February 10, 2015 at 9:15 AM
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The success of Saturday's armed civil disobedience action has Alan Gottlieb and his journalistic Igor Dave Workman grasping at strawmen in the on-going propaganda battle to maintain the flow of donor funds into Gottlieb's rice bowl. The latest example? "Vanderboegh calls Jan. 15 open carry protester a ‘moron.’"
Alabama blogger and gun rights activist Mike Vanderboegh, appearing at a Saturday protest in Olympia, referred to a Jan. 15 incident inside the Capitol that resulted in a ban on open carry in the Senate and House viewing galleries, dubbed one of the participants in that exercise “a moron” in a YouTube video that may be seen here.
He was alluding to a demonstration of about 15 people who entered the House gallery at the end of the mid-January event. Photographs from that event have been seen in various newspaper accounts. Saturday’s small demonstration was to protest the ban. Was Vanderboegh being fair? Was his criticism justified?
Now I will admit that to call the guy a "moron" was an insult to honest morons everywhere, but given the fact that Gottlieb used the moke's behavior to dub the entire group of activists who entered the gallery with him as "extremists" as Gottlieb did, it is more than a little ironic that Workman should now leap to his defense to criticize me in an apples-and-oranges comparison. Indeed, Workman doesn't give a rat's ass if I am being "unfair" to the moron, he's merely desperate to use any argument to discredit me. Workman continues:
“This moron,” Vanderboegh says at 28 seconds into the video, as he addresses a sparse crowd at the top of the Capitol steps, “was counseled not to flash his pistol. Because the rule said pistols had to be concealed. And this person…waited until he got inside the door…and did this movement irreparable harm by then pulling out his pistol and handling it in an unsafe manner and getting his picture on the front page of a whole lot of papers.”
Vanderboegh’s comments seem almost to echo something said by Bellevue Second Amendment advocate Alan Gottlieb last month in the wake of the demonstration that led to the open carry prohibition. At the time, Gottlieb said of the ban that, “This is the result of a few stupid extremists on our side who not only handled their firearms unsafely, but made the hundreds of Second Amendment supporters at the rally look foolish.”
Gottlieb was criticized by Vanderboegh for that remark, and for adding that, “Irresponsible actions get us bad results. Unfortunately, some of the fools in town are on our side. This kind of childish theater hurts our cause. The gun ban crowd is having a field day over this.”
What's the difference between a "moron" and a "stupid extremist?" What's the difference between "did this movement irreparable harm" and "This kind of childish theater hurts our cause?" Apparently, it’s okay if Vanderboegh says it, but not Gottlieb. Vanderboegh even has Saturday's video linked on the Sipsey Street blog.
The difference between a moron and an extremist may be discovered by checking a dictionary, assuming Workman has access to one. The difference between calling an individual a moron for his behavior and unfairly smearing a group as extremists in order to discredit the entire action is obvious. "Extremist," as I commented at the time, is a value-freighted dog-whistle distortion used by the enemies of liberty such as Media Matters (who recently called journalist Emily Miller an extremist for speaking at a rally in Virginia next to my friend David Codrea) and the misnamed Southern "Poverty" Law Center. Workman certainly knows this.
But in his desperation to defend his boss and attack me and the armed civil disobedience movement in Washington state, this is actually the least of his dishonesties and distortions.
Workman's belittling of the numbers at the Saturday event (which, like the 2,000 strong event back in December Workman did not attend)is revealing.
Rain dampened everything but the spirits of about 50 people, most carrying guns . . Vanderboegh even had an exposed hammer double barrel shotgun carried on a sling, during the sparse protest. . . . . . the small gathering. . . The disappointing turnout might be attributed to any number of things, including weather, timing and no small amount of controversy over the event that led to the open carry ban. There were allegations of unsafe gun handling, countered by insistence that firearms were handled properly. . . Vanderboegh told the small crowd that, “The important thing you bring here today is your heart and the purity of your intent” . . . While the demonstration was something of an anti-climax to some the saber rattling that had occurred in recent days — and barely a shadow of the Dec. 13 demonstration that launched the so-called “We Will Not Comply” movement against Initiative 594 . . . There are some in Olympia, and others in Washington’s Second Amendment community, who also worry that the actions of a handful of Jan. 15 protesters, or the single individual singled out by Vanderboegh’s remarks, did “irreparable harm.” Hearings are set this week on some gun legislation, so those Evergreen State gun owners should find out soon if their concerns are warranted.
Geez, Dave, how many ways can you belittle the size of an event you didn't even witness? Now, I am informed by the organizers that by actual count there were 105 folks there for the speeches with at least a dozen joining us as we entered the building. People continued to come up even at the end, when the aforementioned moron also got there late, only to be shunned by the other participants. For Workman to compare the 13 December event (which he and his boss did their best to discourage beforehand and belittle afterward but which he does not now dare to criticize openly after its success) with the original gallery occupation on 15 December (carried out by the same folks who organized the earlier mass civil disobedience) and with Saturday's action (also organized by the same folks) and conclude that this is evidence of a fading failure is the height of wishful thinking on Gottlieb's part. And note that no matter how small Gottlieb's fantasy of the incredible shrinking armed civil disobedience movement is, it still gets in the way of his traditional efforts. One might headline this story: "Workman and Gottlieb agree: 'Mike Vanderboegh has a small penis but ours are even smaller.'"
The inconsistent logic and propagandist's use of belittling language are self-revelatory of internal desperation. Alan Gottlieb is worried about the revenue stream into his rice bowl and it shows. Indeed, this is the backing, scuttling and crawfishing of mudbugs in a bucket of their own creation. They must belittle the participants in armed civil disobedience because that's all they really have.
Let me share with you an anecdote from Saturday's event. I brought some hats for the organizers to sell to raise money for the bail fund. When it was announced that they were down to one hat, a bidding war developed and it was auctioned off for $200! And what did the winner do? He turned right around and gave the hat to a young woman. This is the character of the brave men and women who risk every in these armed civil disobedience actions here in Washington state that Workman and Gottlieb disparage, despise and distort the truth about.
I have a challenge for Dr. Gottlieb and his Igor Workman: Why don't we get together at the NRA Convention, somewhere off venue of course, and debate these issues? If your case is so strong and ours is so weak, what do you have to lose? Let's see how your strawman arguments stand up to facts and searching examination of opposing argument.
And if they think that Saturday's action represents a dying movement, I also invite them to the arms expo in June near Yakima. I rather expect, however, that both Gottlieb and Workman will continue to avoid any gathering where real American heroes, like those I am privileged to stand beside here in Washington state, gather in determined defiance to tyrannical government. It's just not their thing, even if calling such people names and disparaging their characters is.
"Workman and Gottlieb exhibit bad case of penis envy. The backing, scuttling and crawfishing of mudbugs in a bucket of their own creation. I challenge Alan Gottlieb to a debate at the NRA Convention."
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Don't hold your breath waiting for Dr. Evil and his Mini-Me to show up for a debate.....you would turn blue and die. I think Dr. Evil and Mini-Me live in their own small, insignificant, petty,trivial, inconsequential, trifling, irrelevant, unimportant, and niggling retilian brains. (Non-sequitur) Next thing you'll hear from the media is Brian Williams telling everyone that he attended the Washington Rally and came under hostile live-fire!
February 9, 2015 at 6:57 AM
Groups of Free Men acting are a completely different paradigm to herding [and shearing] sheeple.
An avalache of apples from carts being upset ...
III
February 9, 2015 at 7:37 AM
Goodness - I remember someone named Barry something who stated this: I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!
What about that Alan? Was he just a nut too?
February 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM
You challenge Gottlieb to debate? With a real moderator?
Make me laugh.
He'll never allow a free and open discussion where the integrity of his ideas are challenged and he can't maintain control and shut you down like he did at the 2012 GRPC.
Thank you for standing with WA gun owners in this brave action.
I would say that I'm ashamed that I couldn't participate, except that I think David Codrea is exactly right: the paradigm is shifting and we are going to be dragged into this whether we like it or not. So I'll get my chance.
You know that scene in the movie "300" where Delios, as narrator, says that Leonidas provoked Xerces' wrath? I call BS. No, Leonidas did not provoke it. Xerces provoked it by sending his minions to demand Sparta's submission.
No, neither you, nor the Patrick Henry Society provoked this paradigm shift. Bloomberg and 1,242,734 mini-tyrants provoked this with his money and their votes, respectively.
I'm no keyboard commando, as I roam the halls of the NC state legislator every year (on my third year of that, now), hunting politicians and their votes for fun and profit.
But with this paradigm shift, I fear (hope?) I may yet have a chance to shake my literal guns in their literal faces of the tyrants. (But will endeavor to not literally shake them out of their holsters and proper straps.)
Godspeed, Mike.
February 9, 2015 at 10:22 AM
It would be educational to see a debate between a true, knowledgeable patriot, always at the forefront of the modern Constitutional Rights movement, and one of the "crawfish", who have nothing to add but raising huge amounts of money from firearms supporters and benefactors, and whose only aim is to duplicate the already failed NRA policies of hiring lobbyists and "going along to get along", with nothing to show for the money.
Frankly, you'd knock him on his behind, and I would gladly pay money to see such a spectacle.
February 9, 2015 at 10:31 AM
If Dave workman has any guts, knowing he's already read this piece, he is doing two things at the moment. First, he's crafting his response (highlighting and cutting sentence after sentence and paragraph after paragraph because he recognizes the target rich environment they are) and two, talking to gotlies about how then to respond.
Because there is no proper way to respond outside accepting the challenge, they will decide that thier only course of action can now be the DEMOCRAT model they have already displayed. The target has been picked, frozen and now they are locked in to mocking chiding and even outright lying in order to avoid admitting they have already done all of the above.
The TEA parties had a similar scenario - one person acts foolishly and "mainstream media" picked THAT example to highlight and your as representative of the entire attendance. Hey DAVE, and ALAN, how does it feel being BUSTED doing EXACTLY the same thing as PROFRESSIVE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT GUN GRABBING RIGHTS HATING MEDIA???? Oh, and how is THAT workin out for it's "king of kings" Lyin Brian Williams? Can you say Dan Rather? For Cripes sakes man, you two are on par with Moms Demand Action and the rest of the gun controllers! You have and are now demonstrating that you are just as desperate - because you are engaging in exactly the same behavior!
I've long said that the NRA and SAF have more in common with the Brady Bunch (by all their names) than with Joe Six Pack Citizen BECAUSE they are more in tune with fundraising than with guns or rights that pertain to them. Indeed, Alan and his pathetic "minions" are fully engaged now on their own war on gun owners. It will get worse too because they will either escalate these attacks or they will move to totally ignore.
Ironically, moving to totally ignoring would show a stepping back and thus constitute an open loss, a running away, a turn tail because they already tried ignoring this altogether and have moved to attack.
The back attack has been been repelled and now a frontal confrontation has been issued by Mike. A OPEN debate for ALL to see. What we will all now witness is _______________.......... Crickets chirping.
They got nothing but Saul- and they know it. They know that filibusters will be called, waffling will be copy pasted detonated and truthful answers destroy them.
Folks. Add something to "Not One More Inch" please. "Not One More Penny"!!! Sending loot to SAF, or NRA for that matter, is exactly like sending money to Bloomberg and his Brady Bunch. So stop it.
February 9, 2015 at 10:48 AM
Isn't it funny that the AP is giving the protest in Olympia WA on 2/07 better press than Dave Workman and the Seattle Gun Rights Examiner!
Gottlieb and Workman couldn't wait to smear everyone with every little snide remark they could generate (the small crowd , etc).
"Hearings are set this week on some gun legislation, so those Evergreen State gun owners should find out soon if their concerns are warranted."
Now they are trying to imply that if bad legislation was to be passed in Washington State it would be all the OC fault. But there is one little dirty fact that will get out; Gottlieb and Workman support most of the bad legislation that has passed or is being promoted; backgrounds checks, smart guns, the so called lock your guns up & throw the key away bills, etc.
Anything evil that passes out of the Washington House (which most likely will die in the Senate BTW if that did happen) will have both Workman's and Gottlieb's fingerprints all over it.
The truth is and is getting out more & more, Gottlieb & Workman are traitors to the Second Amendment(no matter what they call their organization), notice how they walk lockstep with Bloomberg in destroying our rights, the sooner people recognize this the better for us all.
Gottlieb and Workman are enemies of the Second Amendment, plain and simple and will do everything they can to undermine anyone who truly believes in their individual right to bear arms!
February 9, 2015 at 10:50 AM
Workman has his nose so far up Gottlieb's ass that every time Gottleib farts, Workman does just a few minutes later. It is not possible for Workman to be more of a shill for Gottlieb.
February 9, 2015 at 11:35 AM
Stupifying moronic behavior.
I don't know who Gottlieb's Fuhrer is, but the miniscule mental meanderings of these two reminds me of a phrase from a book on Hitler. It was describing the actions of those below Hitler to garner, in essence, "brownie points".
The phrase was "working towards the Fuhrer".
Gottlieb is an "Uber Kapo" - what a distintion!! Wanna kiss some SS a$$, Alan?
February 9, 2015 at 9:22 PM
Congratulations sir, on another successful rally.
I'm grateful that it was peaceful, yet dubbed the noses of the mandarins (as you so eloquently stated) in their own excrement-again!
Gottleib and his little toady attack because it WAS successful, without their counsel or backing. Indeed, this fact demonstrates they're pretentious and rather feckless.
With a pinch of luck, this will translate into financial ruin for that creep. :)
Clearly my worries about the press rewriting the story to gain the moral high-ground were unfounded.
Again, congratulations. :)
February 9, 2015 at 9:34 PM
Whether the crowd was 50 or a 100 people in this instance, I can assure you that had there been even 50 people there carrying signs that said "Hands Up, Don't Shoot", there would have been extensive national media coverage describing the gathering as a large group of people along with plenty of camera angle shots to make it appear so.
And likely Al Sharpton would have attended too.
February 10, 2015 at 9:15 AM