Apparently you are unaware that the Air Force is the key Cyberspace jump point for the DoD and Ministry of truth(sic) info warriors, and god knows who else from DHS and FBI.
You can't be so naïve to think that your rhetoric (nor mine) is not closely monitored and interfered with by them...
then again, maybe you are. true believers have HUGE blind spots because of their "patriotism" and refuse to see the truth.
Sign Me, Neal Jensen
January 11, 2016 at 7:13 AM
Anonymous said...
So what do you do? How can we ever know who is who in a medium so anonymous? Should we then censor every disagreement to the point that any forum becomes nothing but a circle jerk? People are paranoid, fickle and often assholes. We do, say, and wright "things". Hell we can't shut up. We humans seldom get along in the best of times. We must ether let every man speak, and then let each of us judge that persons words for ourselves. Or silence that speaker , in the same way that every would be dictator has done since the dawn of man. We are free or we are NOT. No "fine line" no "IF" no "but". If you take one right from anyone that is not trying to kill you ; then you have sinned. All possibility of "just cause" stops with the first censored speech , first "limited" movement, the first confiscated property. first "disarmed" minority. You CANNOT have it both ways. You cannot rail for liberty whilst standing on the shredded rights of others.---Ray
The point is not to believe everything anyone says online. The internet never had any "integrity" in the first place. It's just a medium for transmitting information. And that's precisely why it is so valuable as a tool for open discourse.
Because most of the value of an open discourse, in which we don't have labels to say that some ideas are correct and others are not, is that people have to think about the value of what is being said, instead of just parroting the "approved answer".
Of course, being humans, we still credentialize various views and the individuals we believe to express them, along with given aspects of discourse like vocabulary and logic. But the closer we can get towards judging the ideas themselves, the more it trains us to evaluate a particular situation on the specific merits of that unique occurrence, which is what gives you the faculty to adapt to something you haven't encountered before.
Which is what real freedom requires.
January 11, 2016 at 2:04 PM
Anonymous said...
Whatever the reason was for posting this, I hope you realize that article at the Intercept is almost 2 years old. Not that it matters, but there has been much more publicized about this subject since then. For instance this one, which was posted in the comment section at the Intercept a few months later..
IMHO...the point of mikes post is... It's happening right now in front of our eyes. Oregon, GC, media in general , elections etc etc
If i stand corrected , so be it, but thats my read.
January 11, 2016 at 11:30 PM
Anonymous said...
Kerodin!
January 11, 2016 at 11:45 PM
Anonymous said...
I've never advocated self censorship, but the pointless whining and wringing hands in public is a reflection of lack of courage to actually do anything to change the conditions in America. there is no dedication or spine to fix what is obvious broke, so what is the point of using social media or for that matter a manipulated internet to even discuss anything if it serves no purpose but to be a circuit breaker to voice opinions but always prevents any actions.. I never missed the point, but those who don't understand the psychology at work to prevent any kind of constructive revolution to push the RESET Button to fix things in America, can't see outside their limited narrow viewpoint in their comfortable box.
""How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations.""
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Apparently you are unaware that the Air Force is the key Cyberspace jump point for the DoD and Ministry of truth(sic) info warriors, and god knows who else from DHS and FBI.
You can't be so naïve to think that your rhetoric (nor mine) is not closely monitored and interfered with by them...
then again, maybe you are. true believers have HUGE blind spots because of their "patriotism" and refuse to see the truth.
Sign Me, Neal Jensen
January 11, 2016 at 7:13 AM
So what do you do? How can we ever know who is who in a medium so anonymous? Should we then censor every disagreement to the point that any forum becomes nothing but a circle jerk? People are paranoid, fickle and often assholes. We do, say, and wright "things". Hell we can't shut up. We humans seldom get along in the best of times. We must ether let every man speak, and then let each of us judge that persons words for ourselves. Or silence that speaker , in the same way that every would be dictator has done since the dawn of man. We are free or we are NOT. No "fine line" no "IF" no "but". If you take one right from anyone that is not trying to kill you ; then you have sinned. All possibility of "just cause" stops with the first censored speech , first "limited" movement, the first confiscated property. first "disarmed" minority. You CANNOT have it both ways. You cannot rail for liberty whilst standing on the shredded rights of others.---Ray
January 11, 2016 at 11:14 AM
The first Two posts miss the point. Magine that.
January 11, 2016 at 1:47 PM
The point is not to believe everything anyone says online. The internet never had any "integrity" in the first place. It's just a medium for transmitting information. And that's precisely why it is so valuable as a tool for open discourse.
Because most of the value of an open discourse, in which we don't have labels to say that some ideas are correct and others are not, is that people have to think about the value of what is being said, instead of just parroting the "approved answer".
Of course, being humans, we still credentialize various views and the individuals we believe to express them, along with given aspects of discourse like vocabulary and logic. But the closer we can get towards judging the ideas themselves, the more it trains us to evaluate a particular situation on the specific merits of that unique occurrence, which is what gives you the faculty to adapt to something you haven't encountered before.
Which is what real freedom requires.
January 11, 2016 at 2:04 PM
Whatever the reason was for posting this, I hope you realize that article at the Intercept is almost 2 years old. Not that it matters, but there has been much more publicized about this subject since then. For instance this one, which was posted in the comment section at the Intercept a few months later..
http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2014/04/18/military-sock-puppets-nsa-trolls-cia-shills/
January 11, 2016 at 6:07 PM
IMHO...the point of mikes post is...
It's happening right now in front of our eyes.
Oregon, GC, media in general , elections etc etc
If i stand corrected , so be it, but thats my read.
January 11, 2016 at 11:30 PM
Kerodin!
January 11, 2016 at 11:45 PM
I've never advocated self censorship, but the pointless whining and wringing hands in public is a reflection of lack of courage to actually do anything to change the conditions in America. there is no dedication or spine to fix what is obvious broke, so what is the point of using social media or for that matter a manipulated internet to even discuss anything if it serves no purpose but to be a circuit breaker to voice opinions but always prevents any actions..
I never missed the point, but those who don't understand the psychology at work to prevent any kind of constructive revolution to push the RESET Button to fix things in America, can't see outside their limited narrow viewpoint in their comfortable box.
Sign Me, Neal Jensen
January 12, 2016 at 7:24 AM
Revolutions need messaging to succeed.
And without such expressions of purpose, violence is just violence for the sake of violence.
January 12, 2016 at 4:16 PM