Odds are they were legally purchased and then modified into an illegal "Assault Weapon" configuration--which is California law only.
Probably they were bought with Bullet Buttons installed, rather than the standard magazine catch button, then the BB was replaced with a regular magazine catch. Under the laws of the People's Republik, that makes it a felony "assault weapon" to possess, plus each post-2000 >10rd magazine was a felony to acquire. Or, if they just used >10rd mags with the BB, that counts as a felony "AW" too.
Laws behind the Redwood Curtain are just grand! (and based on the 100% non-compliance with Los Angeles's recent magazine confiscation ordinance, almost universally ignored)
December 4, 2015 at 2:11 AM
Anonymous said...
Mike, The weapons pictured in the linked posting are classified as "assault weapons" by the state of Kalifornia and must be registered with the state attorney general. If legally registered (grandfathered) they can only be possessed on the property of the owner or a licensed gun range. For transport to the range the local law enforcement "must be notified". They could have been purchased legally in any jurisdiction outside of Kalifornia.
ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ
December 4, 2015 at 6:34 AM
Anonymous said...
If it's illegal guns I would check with that congressman, Lee up in San Fran, he had good connects from what I heard.
December 4, 2015 at 6:47 AM
Anonymous said...
I just read one of the guns may have been bought through a San Bernardino cop? The jihadist was a restaurant inspector with friends on the force. Time will tell, if this report is true.
December 4, 2015 at 6:58 AM
Anonymous said...
So the illegal guns were purchased legally? Am I reading that right?
December 4, 2015 at 7:11 AM
Anonymous said...
I saw one news clip that said the guns were acquired with a straw purchaser. That would make the guns illegal. I haven't seen or heard a news item that said the vwnue was a gun-free zone, but I'll bet it was.
- Old Greybeard
December 4, 2015 at 7:50 AM
Anonymous said...
There are no illegal guns! Haters! These guns are only "undocumented!
December 4, 2015 at 9:22 AM
Anonymous said...
The guns were not illegal, as such. They were, however, acquired illegally. Let us not pick nits, unless you have lice.
- Old Greybeard III
December 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM
Anonymous said...
If the male jihadist purchased the handguns from an FFL, how is that an illegal acquisition?
What makes an "assault weapon" in California? This flowchart might help:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
If the rifles had any "evil features" (as we euphemistically call them) such as pistol grip, collapsible stock, detachable magazines, greater than 10 rounds,etc., then they were illegal in California.
From what I have seen, the jihadis had >10 round magazines and a standard magazine release; no "bullet button".
All of this is in addition to the potential "straw purchase" element.
"So, where did the firearms come from? And were they "illegal"?"
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Purchased LEGALLY four years ago ...
"An acquaintance purchased another .223-caliber DPMS rifle at the same store on Farook’s behalf."
Duh! Isn't that the definition of a 'Straw' purchase?
Ma Duce
December 4, 2015 at 12:20 AM
Odds are they were legally purchased and then modified into an illegal "Assault Weapon" configuration--which is California law only.
Probably they were bought with Bullet Buttons installed, rather than the standard magazine catch button, then the BB was replaced with a regular magazine catch.
Under the laws of the People's Republik, that makes it a felony "assault weapon" to possess, plus each post-2000 >10rd magazine was a felony to acquire.
Or, if they just used >10rd mags with the BB, that counts as a felony "AW" too.
Laws behind the Redwood Curtain are just grand! (and based on the 100% non-compliance with Los Angeles's recent magazine confiscation ordinance, almost universally ignored)
December 4, 2015 at 2:11 AM
Mike,
The weapons pictured in the linked posting are classified as "assault weapons" by the state of Kalifornia and must be registered with the state attorney general. If legally registered (grandfathered) they can only be possessed on the property of the owner or a licensed gun range. For transport to the range the local law enforcement "must be notified". They could have been purchased legally in any jurisdiction outside of Kalifornia.
ΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣ
December 4, 2015 at 6:34 AM
If it's illegal guns I would check with that congressman, Lee up in San Fran, he had good connects from what I heard.
December 4, 2015 at 6:47 AM
I just read one of the guns may have been bought through a San Bernardino cop? The jihadist was a restaurant inspector with friends on the force. Time will tell, if this report is true.
December 4, 2015 at 6:58 AM
So the illegal guns were purchased legally? Am I reading that right?
December 4, 2015 at 7:11 AM
I saw one news clip that said the guns were acquired with a straw purchaser. That would make the guns illegal. I haven't seen or heard a news item that said the vwnue was a gun-free zone, but I'll bet it was.
- Old Greybeard
December 4, 2015 at 7:50 AM
There are no illegal guns! Haters! These guns are only "undocumented!
December 4, 2015 at 9:22 AM
The guns were not illegal, as such. They were, however, acquired illegally. Let us not pick nits, unless you have lice.
- Old Greybeard III
December 5, 2015 at 9:37 AM
If the male jihadist purchased the handguns from an FFL, how is that an illegal acquisition?
December 5, 2015 at 1:13 PM
What makes an "assault weapon" in California? This flowchart might help:
http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
If the rifles had any "evil features" (as we euphemistically call them) such as pistol grip, collapsible stock, detachable magazines, greater than 10 rounds,etc., then they were illegal in California.
From what I have seen, the jihadis had >10 round magazines and a standard magazine release; no "bullet button".
All of this is in addition to the potential "straw purchase" element.
December 5, 2015 at 1:41 PM