I agree with you totally Grahame. And what I find on the internet, is, in many cases, not people who oppose Scientology - but people who know NOTHING about it pretending that they do and making a noise anyway. Rather like when one sheep bleats, it doesn't take long to set the whole flock off.
In the Dianetics book, L.Ron Hubbard presents his discovery of the basic impulse of all life - SURVIVAL. This is what the subjects of Dianetics and Scientology deal with. Survival.
So, you would imagine that if a person opposed survival, he would not only have to be pretty antisocial person, but, to put it in technical terms, a complete nutcase, wouldn't he?
I'm afraid I didn't go to the link you gave in your blog, but David Touretzky sounds like just this kind of person.
And one other thing, with all the talk of Freedom these days, it seems that more and more restrictions are being placed upon us.
What is needed, as L.Ron Hubbard points out to us, is more TOLERANCE.
So, don't just bleat along with the other sheep, open your eyes and look. There are Scientology books in most libraries these days, borrow one, read it and judge for yourself. And please don't bother with the "anti-Scientology" sites. That would be rather like talking to a Klu Klux Klan member to find out about black people, or trying to find out about capitalism from a communist.
"Look. See what you see, not what someone tells you that you see." L.Ron Hubbard
"What you observe is what you observe. Look at things and life and others directly, not through any cloud of prejudice, curtain of fear or the interpretation of another." L.Ron Hubbard
"Instead of arguing with others, get them to look." L.Ron Hubbard
I mean I do believe it, because I've seen these things in the Internet and I've learned to "understand" the crooked ways these people operations are based on.
But is still, let's say "hard to conceive" that a human being, a spiritual being, could fall to such deeps of degradation. And for what? money? "fame"? I don't think so! Just for the "pure" pleasure of degrading others as well and perhaps not feeling so lonely deep down there... What a waste!
I know what you mean. When you are a person who cares about others and cares about Human Rights, you find it difficult to understand how someone could be just out for a laugh or out to actually harm another at the expense of such rights. On the Internet this sort of person is known as a "troll". It's an important term to understand because over the years many people have fallen for trolls. This sort of behavior is typical of members of the malevolent Internet group "Anonymous". Here are a couple of articles on them that shows the sort of people they are: Anonymous - Some History and Anonymous Attacks Epileptics.
Thanks for your reply and the troll datum, Grahame. I've read those articles you quote and, well, what can I tell you... don't these people have a life of their own? Yeah, I guess no. At least not something that can be called life.
3:23 PM
I find it amazing the lengths that anti-religious extremists will go to in their attempts to convince Scientologists of the error of their ways. They make up all sorts of stories, like a comment I just received from "Petra" who has a hidden profile. She starts off with how much her son liked Scientology and that he passed away some years ago and that she found confidential Scientology materials amongst his belongings and how she knows that it is forbidden for Scientologists below a certain level to be told this confidential stuff but here it is anyway.
I mean, come on, does the writer really think I'm going to fall for it? First of all the confidential materials are kept very secure. They are not handed out to anyone. They are studied at the Advanced Organizations and nowhere else. So saying she found them in her sons belongings is an obvious lie - unless he stole them. Then to pretend she likes Scientology yet she's going to pass on this confidential stuff to me, when she doesn't even know where I am on the spiritual levels of Scientology - wow, that's a really friendly act.
The final clincher is that she gives me a link to the website of this guy, David Touretzky, a man who lives off tax payer dollars mapping the brains of rats (amongst other things), a man who has terrorist bomb making instructions on his web site (put there in the name of "freedom of speech") and who also happens to be rabidly anti-Scientology. From his racist and anti-religious comments it appears he is also anti-Muslim, anti-Black, anti-Hispanic and, from other comments he has made, he likes amputee porn (I'm not kidding - just click on the link above to see all the gory details). When you read the data on this guy and then you look at the Creed of the Church of Scientology, you can clearly see why he would oppose Scientology.
Here are a couple of quotes from the creed that Touretzky appears to be against: "We of the Church believe: That all men of whatever race, color, or creed were created with equal rights; That all men have inalienable rights to their own religious practices and their performance;" - see Touretzky's comments on Blacks, Arabs, Muslims and Hispanics.
"That all men have inalienable rights to their own lives; That all men have inalienable rights to their sanity;" - see whose theories and experiments Touretzky refers to in his own work and who he models his work on - men who had absolutely no interest in the lives and sanity of others.
I could get rather angry about these attempts to convince me that my religious beliefs are wrong but what would be the point? It saddens me to see that there are people in this world who are so intolerant and bigoted that they will go to any lengths to destroy any other ideas. That is one of the reasons I so strongly support Human Rights and especially the 18th point of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Freedom of thought. We all have the right to believe in what we want to believe, to have a religion, or to change it if we want." I strongly support that right. If you are not a Scientologist then I say you have a right to believe what you see fit to believe and neither I nor anyone else has the right to enforce other beliefs upon you or try to invalidate or take away your beliefs.
"Religious Tolerance and Human Rights"
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I agree with you totally Grahame. And what I find on the internet, is, in many cases, not people who oppose Scientology - but people who know NOTHING about it pretending that they do and making a noise anyway. Rather like when one sheep bleats, it doesn't take long to set the whole flock off.
In the Dianetics book, L.Ron Hubbard presents his discovery of the basic impulse of all life - SURVIVAL. This is what the subjects of Dianetics and Scientology deal with. Survival.
So, you would imagine that if a person opposed survival, he would not only have to be pretty antisocial person, but, to put it in technical terms, a complete nutcase, wouldn't he?
I'm afraid I didn't go to the link you gave in your blog, but David Touretzky sounds like just this kind of person.
And one other thing, with all the talk of Freedom these days, it seems that more and more restrictions are being placed upon us.
What is needed, as L.Ron Hubbard points out to us, is more TOLERANCE.
So, don't just bleat along with the other sheep, open your eyes and look. There are Scientology books in most libraries these days, borrow one, read it and judge for yourself. And please don't bother with the "anti-Scientology" sites. That would be rather like talking to a Klu Klux Klan member to find out about black people, or trying to find out about capitalism from a communist.
"Look. See what you see, not what someone tells you that you see." L.Ron Hubbard
"What you observe is what you observe. Look at things and life and others directly, not through any cloud of prejudice, curtain of fear or the interpretation of another." L.Ron Hubbard
"Instead of arguing with others, get them to look." L.Ron Hubbard
Yours sincerely,
John Davis
1:33 AM
Wow, Grahame... this story sounds unbelievable!
I mean I do believe it, because I've seen these things in the Internet and I've learned to "understand" the crooked ways these people operations are based on.
But is still, let's say "hard to conceive" that a human being, a spiritual being, could fall to such deeps of degradation. And for what? money? "fame"? I don't think so! Just for the "pure" pleasure of degrading others as well and perhaps not feeling so lonely deep down there... What a waste!
12:52 PM
The link
http://religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/david-touretzky/
does not work. At least now.
6:44 PM
Hey John,
Thanks for your comment and especially those great quotes.
9:56 PM
Hey Milla,
I know what you mean. When you are a person who cares about others and cares about Human Rights, you find it difficult to understand how someone could be just out for a laugh or out to actually harm another at the expense of such rights. On the Internet this sort of person is known as a "troll". It's an important term to understand because over the years many people have fallen for trolls. This sort of behavior is typical of members of the malevolent Internet group "Anonymous". Here are a couple of articles on them that shows the sort of people they are: Anonymous - Some History and Anonymous Attacks Epileptics.
9:57 PM
Hey Eugene,
You are right. I've emailed someone at The Scientology Parishioners League, they run that site. I'm sure it will be back up soon.
10:06 PM
Thanks for your reply and the troll datum, Grahame. I've read those articles you quote and, well, what can I tell you... don't these people have a life of their own? Yeah, I guess no. At least not something that can be called life.
3:23 PM