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I did a a paper one and it involved me getting finger printed.

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July 13, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Interesting, do tell. I've been told over the phone that I couldn't have an EIN because the entity was formed in a state that was different from the business address...

July 17, 2013 at 6:38 PM

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October 4, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Thank you. This information is really helpful!

March 18, 2014 at 11:55 AM

I accidentally used the wrong entity structure when applying online. How do I fix it? ie LLC should be an LP or vise versa.

September 8, 2014 at 3:24 PM

I've written the IRS letters to update or fix EIN information before; that's the only way I know to approach this issue.

September 8, 2014 at 9:53 PM

This is very informative. I've referred to this page several times in the last six months and it has been useful each time. Good work!

October 16, 2014 at 1:17 PM

I keep getting error reference 101 yet I haven't even gotten to the part of the application where it asks for the business entity name! There must be another reason for this 101 error.

On a side note, why on earth does the IRS not put definitions to their reference codes online? Makes absolutely no sense why they make you call and the average wait time is 30-60 minutes! That would have been fine before the internet era but come on, seriously, get it together IRS and GOV.

November 17, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Thank you so much for taking the time to make this post. I was pulling out my hair because of the constant error messages I was getting with an online application and then I found your post, which explained it concisely and clearly. If only such an explanation existed on the IRS's site, but that would make too much sense...

January 30, 2015 at 9:45 AM

Thanks--just encountered this problem yesterday. Hoping that using the SSN will fix it!

February 3, 2015 at 12:33 PM

I'm envisioning posting an updated version of this post with additional or new information. If anyone is aware of anything written here that is no longer correct or, if anyone has another tip, please let me know. Until then, here is some additional EIN help:

If you want to speak to a person at the IRS about an EIN, you can call 800-829-4933 and use the following prompts (remember, however, that they don't issue new EINs over the phone anymore):

Press 1 to continue in English.
Press 1 for Employer Identification Number information.
Press 2 to indicate you tried to obtain an EIN using the online application and got a reference number instead.
Press 1 for reference number 101 or 115 (this will get you through to a person).

As for the various reference numbers, this is what the telephone prompts say they mean:

102, 103, 105, or 108: The name and tax ID number of the responsible party do not match IRS records.

104: A third-party designee's contact information cannot be the same as the address or the phone number of the entity that is applying for an EIN.

109, 110, 112, or 113: The online application is temporarily unable to assign EINs; try again later.

114: Only one EIN will be assigned per day per responsible party.

February 5, 2015 at 11:26 AM

I've been trying to get an EIN online and the site doesn't give me an error message. It merely states: "Your request could not be completed ...

We apologize but there seems to be an issue completing your request. Please try again in a few minutes."

The responsible entity has an EIN that begins with 36, so I don't think it got its EIN online. I've tried on several different browsers and on different computers but no luck. I am on hold with the IRS now, but was hoping to avoid having to apply through fax because of the delay... Thanks for any help or advice.

February 11, 2015 at 4:21 PM

So frustrating. I have tried what you posted to no avail. still keep getting the 101 error. I have called the irs number numerous times. "they are experiencing a high volume call on the next business day!" Its been 3 days..

February 18, 2015 at 1:17 PM

if an Ein number is rejected will your money be refundable?

February 20, 2015 at 5:29 PM

Great article and information, Sterling. We have acquired several EINs online but have recently formed a parent company (whose EIN was received online) to own the other businesses. Because of this we had to submit our most recent EIN application via fax...that was 10 days ago and still no response with an EIN from the IRS. It says on their website to expect your EIN within 4 business days.


Do you have any experience with this? Should we send a follow-up application via snail mail? Your thoughts would be much appreciated!


Tracy Partridge-Johnson
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Hot Chops Music, LLC

April 23, 2015 at 11:36 AM

The last time this happened to me I was able to call and obtain or confirm the EIN over the phone. Be sure to tell them you already sent in the SS-4 because they won't normally issue EINs that way, but they might since its been so long.

April 23, 2015 at 9:38 PM

I've been trying for two days now and still continue to get the 109 error. I've used multiple web browsers, restarted computer, cleared history/cookies/cache, etc, but no luck. Any thoughts? Is the online application just not working at all right now? Thanks for the help!

May 8, 2015 at 7:33 AM

That's entirely possible, there was a period lasting a couple weeks a couple years ago I remember where nothing was working.

May 9, 2015 at 2:06 PM

Hi thank you for your helpful information and how determine reference 102 ,I tried but this reference came out into the system, how can I find out what kind of information they need in order to procede.is possible to obtain a EIN with 102 reference number? thanks

May 29, 2015 at 8:37 AM

What happens if you get an EIN for an irrevocable trust but misspelled the trust name and rather than writing to the IRS to make changes, you wait an extra day and get a new EIN with the correct trust name?

May 30, 2015 at 2:39 PM

My dad had a revocable trust. he has since died. In using the online form I keep getting message 101. What infor do I put in?
Irrevocable trust? responsible party? address for responsible party? 625 check box?
location of trust? The only way I think it will work is if I put myself in for the responsible party; but then I come up as grantor - not my Dad.

June 18, 2015 at 11:14 AM

I first apply for the wrong EIN number call IRS and the agency said I apply for profit I explain it was for non-profit, she said send a letter to cancel the number i did now I get a letter saying EIN assigned is wrong , so the give me back the profit and I fax over this informant and give them the right EIN number....

June 22, 2015 at 6:59 AM

My wife is starting a new business, and when she applied online for the EIN, she got the "does not match IRS records" error. This is undoubtedly because although she updated her driver's license, passport, etc. with her married name, she had never updated it with Social Security (and we've used her maiden name on tax returns).

Since she filed for the business using her married name, am I correct in thinking it would be a huge hassle if she got the EIN using her maiden name as the responsible party? I imagine this would have a cascading effect--she's going to be doing corp-to-corp contract work, and I am thinking this would mean her tax returns, business checking account, and payments would all need to be consistent, and a mismatch with her EIN sounds like it would be a huge hassle.

She's supposed to start her contract work on Monday so I'm hoping we can get all the critical tasks (incorporation, EIN, business checking account) done by then. She went this morning to the Social Security office and changed her name there--do you have any experience with this to know how long it will take to update in the EIN request system?

June 23, 2015 at 10:21 AM

I don't have experience with how long it takes to update EIN request system records, but I suspect it is longer than a few days.

June 24, 2015 at 4:27 PM

I have organized a parent LLC and a subsidiary LLC and am now trying to get an EIN for the subsidiary LLC - The parent EIN was obtained online - from reading the comments, it seems I'd have to fax or try calling to obtain an EIN for the subsidiary if I wanted to list the parent LLC as the responsible party.

Would it not be the same thing to just list myself as an individual as the responsible party? In the subsidiary's articles of organization, the parent LLC is listed as the only organizer, and the provisional info states that the subsidiary is in fact a subsidiary of the parent.

I'm just impatient probably and wanting to get this done sooner rather than later - any advice would be much appreciated! Thanks

June 25, 2015 at 10:25 AM

This is not accurate. I obtained my company's EIN online and the first two numbers are 47. I have used that company as the responsible party for other EIN's obtained online for my other companies. So a company whose EIN was obtained online and begins with 47 CAN INDEED serve as the responsible party for another company applying for an EIN online.

July 2, 2015 at 10:30 AM

That would be a remarkable change in IRS policy. One of my links above appears to be broken, but the IRS website still says that "We cannot process your application online if the responsible party is an entity with an EIN previously obtained through the Internet." http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Apply-for-an-Employer-Identification-Number-(EIN)-Online

Has anyone else been able to obtain an EIN online with a responsible party whose EIN was also obtained online???

July 2, 2015 at 12:52 PM

Just tried to get an EIN with the responsible party being an entity that got it's EIN online and got the dreaded error. Looks like that policy is still in effect.

July 22, 2015 at 11:47 AM

I'm the one who posted on February 11. Eventually I had to submit the paper form. Now (due to other insane bureaucratic federal regulations) I have to create a whole new business entity for a marginally different type of work, and five months later their god-awful site is still not working.

Madness and incompetence.

July 23, 2015 at 6:27 PM

Thank you Sterling, your site is great. Thanks for taking the time to help us out.
William

August 17, 2015 at 8:40 AM

I applied for a partnership EIN with my wife as partner and accidentally recorded my closing month for the accounting year as April. I know I need to file IRS form 1128 to change my accounting year to the calendar year (starting Jan 1 and ending Dec 31) but am not sure how to answer the questions in Part II, section B. Our business is very basic (home graphic design business) and started doing business March 25, 2015. Any advice would be appreciated (the form instructions are a bit hard to decipher).

August 19, 2015 at 7:45 PM

Can the IRS deny an EIN to an estate because the administrator owes taxes?

September 14, 2015 at 1:46 PM

This is a great article. I've referred to it several times in the last year and have it bookmarked.

Thank you from DLA

September 24, 2015 at 4:43 PM

I have this issue, I formed a single member LLC in California, i am not a US citizen and do not have a SSN, i do have a ITIN, i tried it online first and it didnt work, i was told by irs i need to fax them a copy of articles of organization, itin proof and ss4, i did that 12 days ago, still nothing from irs, i called in today and was told they dont have any fax from me, i should fax them everything again...which means another 10 days...i couldnt wait that long, my cpa suggested he can obtain itin for me online using his name and ssn..and he did get me a ein.

Now my question is, will it have any consequences in the future for me ? Will there be any problems in developing my business credit history since my ein is connected to his ssn ? Pls advise.

October 15, 2015 at 7:56 PM

Thank you SO much for this article/information!!!
Just like some of the comments before, I was pulling my hair, swearing internally (since it's in an office environment! LOL), sooo frustrated!
We wanted to obtain the EIN for a new entity right away, thus I tried Online application, which I have done several times within my 9 months employment as EA.
Anyway, I just don't understand WHY IRS won't give the applicant BETTER explanation WHY my application was not accepted! And install the phone system, so we could either wait for the next available personnel, instead hanging up on us with "Due to high volume..." @_@

You are the Savior to show us the way to resolve from this crazy dilemma!

With much gratitude.

October 29, 2015 at 11:22 AM

Thank you for your article! I have faxed in requests for EINs several times with no problems. But the last 4 days my faxes won't go thru,comes back saying no answer, dial tone remains after dial sequence. The responsible party EIN was obtained online so this is my only option, any suggestions? The fax # I use is 859-669-5760.

Thanks again!

November 11, 2015 at 10:53 PM

I have filed LLC articles of organization in Florida online. They accepted the application and I immediately requested and EIN online with IRS and received it. However, several days later, I received an email from Florida authorities that the name I chose, though unique, is too similar to an existing entity, and to choose a different one, which I did and they accepted it.

What do I do with an EIN # now? Do I write to the IRS to have the name updated, or to cancel the first entity, and apply online for a different EIN for new name?
The main problem is that I cannot open a business check account until I have the EIN confirmation, and Florida registration matching the name, so I am inclined to request new EIN and receive it immediately rather than to wait unknown time for the IRS to reply either with confirmation of the name update with the existing EIN or instructions to cancel and apply again.

December 5, 2015 at 5:15 PM

Hello!

I recently tried to retrieve an EIN and received the 105 error. I do not know what to do because the name and the social are correct? What now? I need this number in order to open up a bank account for an estate.

January 4, 2016 at 2:40 PM

Hi! I am applying for an EIN for a new LLC. I don't have a SSN but have a ITIN for self. I am getting error 102. Please advice. Thanks!

January 19, 2016 at 6:05 PM

HI _ I am starting two LLC's, so got teh first EIN no problem, but now I cant get teh second one on-line. get error 109 after I enter my name, SSN. Is this becasue i can only get one EIN on-line in my lifetime? Then why say i can only get one per day?

February 4, 2016 at 9:25 AM

For two days now I have unsuccessfully but relentlessly tried to obtain an EIN online. Error 109 pops up after I enter my name and SSN or after I complete the online form and click "submit." I don't understand why I am unsuccessful. I know I need an EIN, I am operating within business hours, and I am trying over and over and over again.

February 4, 2016 at 11:38 AM

I guess many of us have been getting 109 in the last few days. I'm now confident there are some issues within IRS system

February 4, 2016 at 12:30 PM

i used IE and was succesful in getting my second EIN. good news...

February 4, 2016 at 4:11 PM

Olaf, that's no fair. I've been trying all afternoon to get an EIN for my father-in-law (for household employee). What's the deal? Very frustrating. We told him it would be easy. Last time we got an EIN, it was by phone. Those days are gone apparently ...

February 4, 2016 at 5:05 PM

God bless you for posting this valuable information! I tried 4 times to get an EIN for an irrevocable trust we're establishing, then had to wait on hold with the IRS for 30 minutes only to be told I would have to do it by mail. Oh, and the agent knew the reason the application was rejected but "was not obligated to tell me" and "had done her required duty as an IRS customer service representative". She was perfectly un-phased by telling me I would need to apply by mail and wait 4-6 weeks, even after I explained the urgency. I was pleasant as imaginable prior to this statement, but afterwards I did tell her exactly what I thought of her organization, in no uncertain terms. After reading your article I realized it was simply a duplicate name issue, changed the name to include a middle initial, and BAM - got my number! This is a prime example of why people HATE the IRS. LAME LAME LAME don't give a %@$%@ government workers!!

February 9, 2016 at 1:56 PM

IRS error 101. VERY Helpful. In my case I needed to spell out the deceased middle name.

March 7, 2016 at 1:25 PM

Can confirm IE (now Edge) worked for me, as a second-time online EIN obtainer (sorry about that weird turn-of-phrase). Worked on the second time on Edge, where as Chrome just went kaput.

March 17, 2016 at 5:32 PM

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March 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM

My mom has a revocable trust and I'm the successor trustee. She just passed. I want to keep the trust intact to keep her house in it (per her wishes). I will do the 1041 form when the time comes. My problem is filling out the SS-4. Should I list myself as Responsible party or mom? If i put myself as Resposible it auto populates me as the Grantor. All i want to do is continue the same trust as irrevocable.
All I want is an EIN so I can do its taxes. Thanks

March 20, 2016 at 4:49 PM

Did you ever get this figured out? From what I can glean from the internet, you would check "irrevocable trust" and put dad as the Responsible party using his SS#. You would go in line 3 trustee box. Also put the date you are applying as the date entity was formed or you'll have requests for back tax returns. Not sure what to put in reason for applying. In essence you are starting a new trust but I'm not totally sure. I'm also not changing the name. If you get more info please share.

March 21, 2016 at 12:37 PM

Hi. I mistakenly applied for 2 EINs for the same LLC. Do I cancel one or just not use it? Should I use the first one issues or the most recent one issued?

Thanks!

May 10, 2016 at 2:11 PM

Here is the IRS's instructions for cancelling and EIN number: https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Canceling-an-EIN-Closing-Your-Account

Assuming you haven't used either number in any way, I'd probably keep the first one.

May 16, 2016 at 12:55 PM

I have tried all day for EIN online and keep receiving maintenance page... so frustrating...any idea what to do next?

May 16, 2016 at 4:25 PM

Received Reference Number 111 when trying to obtain EIN online... can not reach the IRS to find out what 111 reference number is??

May 17, 2016 at 6:14 AM

Thank you for the post, I found it extremely helpful and informative. Are you facing difficulties in applying for EIN or afraid of the rejection of your application? You can take here experts help to get an EIN for you.

May 18, 2016 at 7:19 AM

My CPA obtained an EIN for my deceased mother's estate and used it to file 1 return for the year after her death, but no federal taxes were owed. Now years later, we are just getting around to probating the estate. My lawyer informs me that the EIN won't be valid for the probated estate and suggested we apply for a new one after the estate is opened. Will the system allow a second EIN for the same decedent? I think the name of the estate will not be exactly the same because I will now be listed as an administrator, while the old one said EX for executor.

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June 23, 2016 at 11:29 AM

Hi Sterling, excellent post. I am hoping you can help me. 

I created a Holding company w/ EIN responsible party in my name.
I created 4 additional companies and I'm trying to make the Holding company the responsible party. I'd like to pass all profits from the 4 additional companies to the holding company. When I file via making the Holding co the responsible party, I receive this error: Reference ID: 0.22e1160.1466701719.2747ae17.

From readying your article, I believe this occurs because the Holding co already has an EIN and I need to file as and individual. 

I own all companies, so if I apply for the EIN as an individual and not a Holding co business, will this affect anything? What are the pros/cons?

June 23, 2016 at 11:32 AM

I was trying to apply on-line for an EIN for my father's estate. I got the dreaded "Reference 101" error. I Dreaded the thought of mailing an application and having to wait 4 weeks. After spending a 1/2 hr on hold, the IRS representative told me he wasn't at liberty to tell me what a "101" error was. No wonder the IRS has such a terrible reputation! Well, we have a common last name and I filed it using my father's middle initial. I figured there must be a name conflict, so I did as an earlier poster suggested, and I re-applied spelling out my father's middle name. It worked!

June 29, 2016 at 12:45 PM

I have been trying to get an FEIN for a new subsidiary of a client for almost a week, and keep getting the Maintenance Page that says: "Your request could not be completed ...
We apologize but there seems to be an issue completing your request. Please try again in a few minutes." There is no error code. I have tried 3 different browsers, and 3 different computers. I have tried from early morning until well into the evening. I have verified all of the information including the responsible party's own EIN. I have called the IRS business helpline, and can't get through to a human being. The only message I've gotten that makes any sense says that the IRS website "WAS" temporarily unable to assign FEIN numbers but that it's now functioning, and to try again. Trying again doesn't help. Same message every time. The client wants the new FEIN number immediately. Any ideas would really be appreciated.

September 7, 2016 at 7:08 PM

The sense I have been getting recently is that online EIN applications that name an entity, as opposed to an individual, as the responsible party are being rejected for unknown reasons, even where the responsible party did not obtain its EIN over the internet. The only solution I'm aware of is to use an individual as the responsible party; I think that's in the spirit of the responsible party rules and unlikely to have any negative impact if that individual is actually involved with the new business.

September 8, 2016 at 10:23 AM

Thanks for this informative page. Tried to apply for sole proprietor as individual w/SSN as applicant. Got dreaded 101 error. Now on hold w/IRS for 30 minutes.

September 15, 2016 at 9:43 AM

Sterling Olander: Thanks for the tip. I had the EVP of the client give me his social security number. I then filed with him as the responsible party instead of the three different entities I had tried, and it worked like a charm. I'm going to file a Form 8822-B to get the responsible party switched to the entity name, but in the meantime, at least they'll be able to open bank accounts. Hope they get this problem fixed soon. Thanks again!

September 15, 2016 at 8:43 PM

I am trying to get an online EIN for my parents trust that I am the administrator for. When I get to the part about inputting the trust fund date I enter April, 1990 and get a message that it can't be more than 25 years ago. I have called many different numbers only to hear you need to do it online, by FAX (I don't have one), by mail (4 weeks) or by phone if you live out of the country. If I input 1992 it takes it but that is false information. How should I proceed?
Thanks in advance.

October 12, 2016 at 9:32 AM

If your parent's trust was set up as a revocable trust for estate planning purposes, it would not have needed a separate EIN until it became irrevocable. Accordingly, I'd list the date that it became irrevocable, not the day the trust was formed.

October 28, 2016 at 9:59 PM

My sister passed and I am successor trustee and I have no clue what I'm doing or supposed to do. I did apply online for my ein and got rejected by code 101. I'm wondering if I should list my deceased sister, or me, as the responsible party. I'm hoping I'm filling the form out incorrectly and that you can guide me re. the responsiblity party issue. Thank you.

January 3, 2017 at 6:51 PM

hi i am traying to get my EIN but i get refrence 105
please help me to solve this problem because i put ir my name right

January 6, 2017 at 12:37 PM

Just got off the phone with the IRS because of a "101 error" message.
I was trying to obtain an EIN for an second LLC I started and was told that as a sole-proprietor or single-member LLC I could use the same EIN that was issued to my first LLC.
Hope this helps someone and saves them the 1/2 hour wait time!

February 2, 2017 at 2:12 PM

Hi my bookeeper/tax man applied for our business a ein number Jan of 2017 & while it should have been done in 2016 he didn't file for it until 2017 .My only employee received her w2 & filed to only be rejected b/c it says the ein number was issued in 2017 & can't be used to file for 2016. My tax man says he spoke w/someone at the irs & they have no clue why it would reject it. Any advice

February 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM

Hi. I actually got an EIN for an estate, says congratulations, successfully assigned... but can't print the confirmation due to error 112? Now what?

March 14, 2017 at 7:14 AM

I keep getting this after I submit all the information online. I've tried different browsers, rebooted computer, etc. What to do?


Your request could not be completed ...

We apologize but there seems to be an issue completing your request. Please try again in a few minutes.
Return to IRS.gov home
Error from: https%3A//sa.www4.irs.gov/modiein/IndividualEINClientServlet%3Faction%3DGenerateEINAction
Reference ID: 0.e6f9ccc.1494336599.3368e2e

May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM

I was trying this for two days. I was switching organization types from an LLC and trying to use my existing business as the "responsible party". There was also an option to use myself as the sole owner and my SSN which I elected to do after it failed the other way multiple times and as soon as I did that it went through. I definitely created my original online and started with 27 so this article isn't entirely accurate or it has changed since 2015. Thanks and good luck.

July 31, 2017 at 3:48 PM

I was an existing single member LLC, changing my tax election to an s-corp.

IRS is insisting that our EIN be changed, however the IRS website states clearly, we don't have to change it

We are an existing LLC (since 2009), IRS is telling us we are a sole proprietor. This is not correct. I have written letters and sent a copy of wwbsite page. They keep trying to tell us different.

We have been filing our taxes as a single member LLC, until we changed tax election to s-corp the first of this year.

How can I get this straightened out? We have paid all of our taxes to date on time, using our existing EIN, not the new one they are saying we should use.

Help!

August 8, 2017 at 5:31 PM

Continually get the below error when applying for an EIN. The tax responsible partner's EIN starts with a "36". I have tried various internet browsers, various computers in different offices etc. and keep getting the below error. Any advice? The IRS doesn't have any?

Your request could not be completed ...

We apologize but there seems to be an issue completing your request. Please try again in a few minutes.

Return to IRS.gov home


Error from: https%3A//sa.www4.irs.gov/modiein/IndividualEINClientServlet%3Faction%3DGenerateEINAction
Reference ID: 0.5dcafea5.1503666762.84b3192

August 25, 2017 at 8:07 AM

I am trying to request and EIN and when it states date trust was funded I enter the month and 1990, which is correct. I get a red message saying:
*Year cannot be more than 1 year in the future or more than 25 years in the past.

Now what do I do?

August 29, 2017 at 1:10 PM

I submitted the EIN form 7 times today. In Chrome I kept getting the infamous reference number 109 error and then in FireFox I get the error "We apologize but there seems to be an issue completing your request. Please try again in a few minutes. Error from: https%3A//sa.www4.irs.gov/modiein/IndividualEINClientServlet%3Faction%3DGenerateEINAction"

Is there an issue with the system?

Has anyone found a solution to this?

October 2, 2017 at 5:47 PM

I am having the same problem, having applied Online 12 times since yesterday, resulting in a nice 109 code. I called IRS - they said they know of no problems with the website and that the next fastest way to get the EIN is to use fax.

October 3, 2017 at 6:55 AM

I have an ITIN and applied for an EIN. I am getting a reference 105. I have my details in front of me the very letter IRS sent me, its frustrating after being on the phone over an hour trying to get a hold of someone. One person verifies its right and transfers me over to EIN rep and after 30mins of waiting, the rep answers the call and hangs up on me.

October 10, 2017 at 4:12 PM

Anyone know what Error Code 115 is?

February 21, 2018 at 3:07 PM

I Went through this thread and see many asking the same question I have.... but I do not see a response. I am a trustee of my parents once revocable living trust that is not irrevocable. I need an EIN number to open up a bank account for the trust. According to IRS definition, I am the "responsible party" due to me being the current trustee. So I enter my name and SSN. When I get to the last page to check my application, it lists me as the "Grantor" and lists me as the "trustee". I am not the grantor of the trust, my parents were. Is it ok to submit it like this or should I be using my deceased parents info and SSN for the responsible party? This is soo confusing... can someone answer?

February 27, 2018 at 5:13 PM

HI,

I received the following error message below:

Error from: https%3A//sa.www4.irs.gov/modiein/IndividualEINClientServlet%3Faction%3DGenerateEINAction
Reference ID: 0.6c5ddb17.1526053504.1d683a84

An LLC, as Grantor, is requesting an EIN for an Irrevocable Trust. Trustee is an individual. I have been getting the same error message for the past two days. Please help!

Thank you in advance.

May 11, 2018 at 9:55 AM

I've been obtaining EINs for a while now and what I've found is that if the responsible party is a company and its two-digit prefix is an even number (30,32,34,36,38) for which i received it's EIN by fax, then i can't use that company's EIN as the responsible party and be successful online, even though the responsible party company's EIN was not obtained online, but by fax. I was wondering if in your experience you've seen the same thing? I feel like this is an unintended glitch in the system. Any idea who to report this to?

May 17, 2018 at 3:05 PM

Made a WY parent LLC and FL subsidiary LLC. Got the WY EIN online easily. The next day, tried getting EIN for FL LLC online but kept getting the "Your request could not be completed ... We apologize but there seems to be an issue completing your request. Please try again in a few minutes."

Gave up and filled out form to fax in with free online fax service. I don't have incoming fax so I guess the only way is wait for them to mail me. I don't know if they call the phone number on the application.

July 13, 2018 at 1:08 PM

Thank you so much for this article. You saved me 30 minutes waiting on hold with the IRS to figure out why my EIN application kept getting denied. It is because I was using a company with an EIN obtained from the IRS website as the responsible party. Funny that the IRS does not indicate that as not acceptable on their website (or at least I did not see it any where). You are a life saver!

October 23, 2018 at 9:32 AM

I get a 109 error on my mobile, and by using chrome. Using the microsoft browswer on my pc actually worked. Thanks for this post, which saved my sanity.

November 6, 2018 at 11:40 AM

yeah after hours and hours of this nonsense i finally got it to work.

basically the responsible party cannot be an entity at all (whether that entity got its EIN online or not). the only way i got it to work was to have an individual be the responsible party. to make it worse, this responsible party needs to have a different address and phone number as the entity. they send the official letter to this address so make sure its a legit address.

these requirements are found nowhere on the website. it is probably some programming glitch as it makes no sense. but of course, no one at the IRS is paying attention to know there is a problem. or they know and just dont care to fix it.

totally horrible system. and this is now the only way to get an EIN. horrible incompetence. why is everything run by the government so awful?!

November 20, 2018 at 10:50 AM

Well, as the comments on this post note this has been a problem for quite awhile. Why oh why can't they have a phone service like the old days?

I had two days of frustration with the errors simply being: Try again in a few minutes. I was getting an EIN for a single member LLC owned by an LLC. Thus an entity was the responsible party. Following the advice in these comments I changed it to using my name and my Social Security number as the responsible party and the system issued a number without fail.

Now the course of the events will be to file a 8822-B Change of Address or Responsible Party, which in my case will only be change of responsible party. So stupid that this is difficult and that we, citizens in a capitalistic society, have to figure out these work arounds.

I had no issued with addresses as was mentioned in the previous comment.

Good Luck everyone!

November 27, 2018 at 9:53 AM

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December 17, 2018 at 3:58 AM

I inadvertently now have two EINs for the same LLC. (Didn't realize one generated when my attorney created my LLC). Is this going to be a problem/how do I fix this?

January 15, 2019 at 8:30 PM

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. And Bless you for sharing your experience and wisdom. Your advice solved my online filing issue.

March 6, 2019 at 2:37 PM

It's sad that in 2019, 5 years after this information was first shared, the IRS still has these issues with the online EIN application process and STILL hasn't deemed it necessary to inform users or add adequate instructions.

March 11, 2019 at 9:33 AM

I got the following error code when I applied for an EIN today. How do I know what the reference code or error code is. I have a Reference ID and a long string of numbers?

Error from: https%3A//sa.www4.irs.gov/modiein/IndividualEINClientServlet%3Faction%3DGenerateEINAction
Reference ID: 0.7c22417.1552411037.57182ad8

March 12, 2019 at 11:27 AM

I have a question, my attorney opened an EIN when setting up my revokable grantor trust last year. However I come to realize its not needed. My CPA states because it exists I need to file a 1041 even though grantor trusts don't typically require a 1041 be done. Is this true? Do I really need a 1041??? It will cost me an extra 350.00 she states to complete the form.

March 17, 2019 at 1:11 PM

Your request could not be completed ...
We apologize but there seems to be an issue completing your request. Please try again in a few minutes.
Return to IRS.gov home
Error from: https%3A//sa.www4.irs.gov/modiein/IndividualEINClientServlet%3Faction%3DGenerateEINAction
Reference ID: 0.9df1417.1554771297.25676410

April 8, 2019 at 7:11 PM

Anyone knows how to fix this error when requesting an EIN online?

Your request could not be completed ...
We apologize but there seems to be an issue completing your request. Please try again in a few minutes.
Return to IRS.gov home
Error from: https%3A//sa.www4.irs.gov/modiein/IndividualEINClientServlet%3Faction%3DGenerateEINAction
Reference ID: 0.9df1417.1554771297.25676410

April 8, 2019 at 7:12 PM

I have the same problem...

same error:

Error from: https%3A//sa.www4.irs.gov/modiein/IndividualEINClientServlet%3Faction%3DGenerateEINAction
Reference ID: 0.6994dc17.1556120410.2025408e

Do you know what to do?

Thank you in advance,

April 24, 2019 at 9:41 AM

The OP is only partly right about the reason why an LLC whose EIN was filed online couldn't be used as the responsible party. The fact is, as explained on IRS's website, "it ... take[s] up to two weeks before your EIN becomes part of the IRS's permanent records". That means, if you apply for an EIN for your LLC whose responsible party's EIN was just applied online less than two weeks ago, IRS might have not had the responsible party's EIN in its database yet. All you need to do is to wait for two weeks after getting your parent company's EIN online. And then, you will be able to apply for an EIN online for your subsidiary LLC.

The following is copied and pasted from IRS's website:

When will I be able to use my EIN?

This EIN is your permanent number and can be used immediately for most of your business needs, including:

* Opening a bank account
* Applying for business licenses
* Filing a tax return by mail.

However, it will take up to two weeks before your EIN becomes part of the IRS's permanent records. You must wait until this occurs before you can:

* File an electronic return
* Make an electronic payment
* Pass an IRS Taxpayer Identification Number matching program.

May 6, 2019 at 6:46 PM

Hi,

I finished the application but didn't received any EIN confirmation notice, this was 3 weeks ago, already check my email to see if I got something from IRS but nothing is there, how can I know if my application when thru?

May 21, 2019 at 4:14 PM

Ok, I was getting the error where I would get to the end and after I pressed submit, it gave me an error without an error code. I must have tried 25-30 times and same result everytime. I tried different computers/browsers and nothing. Finally, I think I figured it out: Previously, I used a different address for the physical address and the mailing address. When I did it again and kept both addresses the same, it seemed to work just fine. Not sure why that would make a difference, but hopefully this helps somebody.

November 22, 2019 at 2:07 PM

Regarding Reference Number 101 and estates:

THANK YOU to the anonymous person who posted that their EIN application went through after they filled in the middle name of the deceased. Even though it is optional, I wasn't able to get an EIN the first time when I applied without the middle name. Once I entered it, I got the EIN. Thanks again.

February 2, 2021 at 6:07 AM

Thanks for this article. What I found is that the site at https://sa.www4.irs.gov/modiein/individual/ would not work in Chrome, but got me up to where I enter my name as the managing member of an LLC, and when I continued got an "access denied."

So I searched and found your page, and realized that it may need retrying or a different browser. I retried on Chrome several times, and on MS Edge and it either didn't work or said I was asking outside of business hours.

What worked for me was to use the Opera browser. Funny thing too, I got a firewall permission notification (that I didn't give permission to) when I got to the page where I put my name in. So maybe the access denied was to my own PC? But I ignored that permission (clicked on cancel), and was able to continue and get my EIN.

Thanks again!

July 16, 2021 at 7:03 AM

As the Successor Trustee, I applied for an EIN for my recently deceased Mother. I received an email from the IRS stating they refunded my online application monies and that I must call their 800 Customer Service number because the Trust was dated over 25-years ago. Unfortunately for me, they did not give me a "reference code/number" Any suggestions?

January 14, 2022 at 5:14 PM

Trying to verify EIN assigned 2 years ago but just now using. Does not come up online Cannot get thru to IRS. Suggestions? Trying to be paid by a vendor

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