Oh. Lovely. I think I recall Paul's article stating that a number of demonstrators wandered the street with the letters to the Prime Minister, and were gathering signatures. In all honesty, there were about 15-20 demonstrators in total, some of whom were uninterested in being photographed. Perhaps Paul included those who temporarily demonstrated along with us, a handful of supportive strangers, into the sum. At any rate, the demonstration was intended to be brief, and the number of signatures was quite impressive, I must say!
" ...'Send the illegals back!' ...shouted one young unemployed man from Hamilton as he grabbed a sign and joined the protest."
He [a friend of mine] is now employed as of two days ago. Isn't that cool? Apparently, he was in between jobs!
28 August 2010 at 00:47
Anonymous said...
I love how they follow someone like Ezra Levant, Who is Jewish. :)
Why don't they just stick to David Duke, or whatever scum listens to these days.
28 August 2010 at 03:41
Anonymous said...
It's kind of funny in a way, how they neoNazis have adopted the use of the Red Ensign, considering it was the flag we used while fighting the Nazis and all.
I actually live in Calgary, which appears to be the conservative capital of Canada, so I don't know about several thousand signatures, but I don't not believe it. Not to attack conservatives or anything, they just aren't known for their love of immigrants, and scare tactics have been shown to be highly effective on them.
Well we have to go with the evidence we have at hand Meghan, and what we've seen and been told suggests otherwise. And given that Paulie is more interested in trying to intimidate minorities, we really do have to call into question his professed concern for the the Tamil community within Canada.
We're glad your friend is now employed and contributing to the economic prosperity of this country. :)
While you were with Fromm, were you able to ask him what his deal is as it pertains to Michelle Erstikaitis? We're still a bit confused by that.
28 August 2010 at 15:45
Meghan G. said...
In regards to Michelle Erstikaitis: I'm actually concerned and confused about that too. I have no idea, Nos200. I'm sorry.
Evidence counts, I agree, and I understand. I'm just saying.
29 August 2010 at 00:38
Meghan G. said...
Anonymous 1: Sometimes, people can be reasonable, and are not always concerned about a person's Jewishness because they have the ability to base their judgements upon another person's individual character and their intellectual content, rather than a trait of birth in which none of us have any control of for ourselves. Maybe I should only speak for myself, but I'd like to have some faith in humanity and believe that mankind isn't entirely moronic. I don't believe that Ezra Levant is a practicing Judaic. Therefore, he is still supported by those who are in opposition to the religion of Talmudic Judaism for whatever reasons they believe are logical.
29 August 2010 at 00:58
Meghan G. said...
Anonymous 3: You're right... "neo-nazis" adopting that flag is ironic! Perhaps this is because they believe that this flag ought to represent a "white" nation. LOL
For those of you who may not know, the three maple leaves joined together honor the English, French and Native founders of Canada; three sets of people which are significantly diverse people apart from one another. This is why I believe that flag means so much more. Canada was not founded upon "whiteness."
Aside from "neo-nazis" and whomever else of the like that are "white" oriented [I'm speculating from my own personal feelings toward that flag and the Canadian war veterans], I suppose that others simply wish to bear their respect for the founding settler people of Canada AND for the Canadian veterans, though historically, and even presently, there are prominent ideological differences. No disrespect to our Canadian veterans is intended by associating the Canadian Red Ensign with this cause, in fact, I suspect that a great number of them would be more inclined to support this cause as well.
29 August 2010 at 01:00
Anonymous said...
Meghan G.- My grandfather WAS a veteran, and my grandmother was a war bride. Both of their families arrived here on boats, in much the same fashion as the Tamils in question. Paul Fromm should be grateful that most of our veterans are too old to shoulder arms again, they advocated much stronger methods of dealing with fascists than I. There is no doubt as to Mr.Fromm's affiliations, supporting a neo-nazi is NOT patriotic.
29 August 2010 at 23:35
Meghan G. said...
A person is not necessarily queer if they support gay marriage, or a Christian simply because their parents attend a Christian church. A scandalous blundering "Racist" isn't necessarily a neo-nazi or a fascist, just as Nos200, who may associate with communists and may share similar ideals, is not a communist. Having said that, the demonstrators aren't demonstrating in support of neo-nazis. They're supporting the cause to deport illegal immigrants from Canada, regardless of whatever they believe pertaining to any other matter of life at any other given time.
To me, it really doesn't matter where these illegal immigrants are from. Smuggling human beings into Canada is illegal. This is a matter of current Canadian law, not our personal feelings or our individual ethics. Members of your family traveled to this nation aboard a ship in the water, you say. That's nice to know. My father traveled through thin air in an airplane.
With all due respect to you and your victorious grandfather and his bride, and my own non-European father, their means of arrival is irrelevent due to the fact that only the current laws of the land and our current immigration policy apply.
30 August 2010 at 02:31
Davegeek said...
As for the AG et al use of the Red Ensign I can see how this happens. We are talking about the same people who prominently display various German icons at every turn including German flags. Yet they insist on displaying the Red, Gold and Black colours which were first used by the Weimar republic and were replaced ASAP by the Nazis with the old Red, White and Black colours of Imperial Germany. So really their use of the Red Ensign (the banner under which Canadians fought the Nazis beloved of the AG crowd) isn't ironic so much as moronic. They frequently claim to have an understanding of history yet constantly display this to not be the case.
What do these JOKERS have to do with Hamilton? They are not liked or welcomed here!
30 August 2010 at 21:54
Anonymous said...
"Meghan G.- My grandfather WAS a veteran, and my grandmother was a war bride. Both of their families arrived here on boats, in much the same fashion as the Tamils in question. Paul Fromm should be grateful that most of our veterans are too old to shoulder arms again, they advocated much stronger methods of dealing with fascists than I. There is no doubt as to Mr.Fromm's affiliations, supporting a neo-nazi is NOT patriotic."
But you're grandparent's weren't dangerous terrorists who have killed innocent men, women, children and two prime ministers in Sri Lanka. I'd rather have them as far away from my land as possible. I don't like the though of allowing murdering scum into our country that will pose a threat to our society.
Wow, way to frantically demonize. Ever wonder how may trolls are really just Paulie trying not to look like a complete moron in hindsight? He did the exact same dance in 1981 trying to whip up xenophobia against a ship full of Vietnamese. All of them are now productive members of society, which is more than I can say for Paul Fromm.
1 September 2010 at 21:13
Paulie has been a busy boy, traveling around Canada promoting nativism and xenophobia regarding the Tamil migrants. And Paulie, the self-promoter that he is, has been tooting his horn all over Stormfront. Says Paulie of his Hamilton rally:
Two dozen concerned Hamiltonians and supporters of the Canada First Immigration Reform Committee gathered today in the late afternoon at the War Memorial in Gore Park (King and John Streets) to gather signatures on a letter to the Prime Minister to protest the government’s decision to allow a boatload of illegals to enter Canadian waters last. This was part of a nation-wide series of such rallies.
And here they are:
[Image][Image][Image] Hmmmm, that doesn't seem like two dozen people. Well, perhaps they weren't all photographed, just as the 20 people he claims attended his and the Northern Alliance's protest in London didn't all make it into the photograph) Still, given the report we received about his efforts in Ottawa, we have to question the numbers he's claiming:
Today, August 25th, around 12:30: Paul Fromm and two racist supporters were confronted in Ottawa today as they tried to hold a (tiny) protest against rights for the Tamils of the MV Sun Sea. They were shouted down and promptly scampered away before a larger crowd of anti-racists had time to arrive at the scene of their (tiny) protest. Their (tiny) protest was to be held today, two days after No One Is Illegal Ottawa held a much larger demonstration in favor of letting the Tamil migrants stay on Monday August 23rd. "from one community of resistance to another, we welcome you" said one Anishnabe member of NOII-Ottawa, speaking at the pro Tamil rights protest of monday. “To those who say that immigrants are a burden, we ask you: Who cleans up after you? Who picks your fruit and vegetables? Who serves you food? Who drives you around? Who builds your houses, your schools, your hospitals? Time and time again, immigrants are scapegoated for the problems of capitalism.” said another NOII spokesperson to the enthusiastic crowd that had assembled in front of the Citizenship and Immigration Canada offices downtown Ottawa. As NOII and other migrant justice groups continue to fight to dispel racist and xenophobic myths about Tamil migrants, it is important to keep the pressure on, especially when we are up against known Nazi supporters. For more info on No One Is Illegal: www.nooneisillegal.orgSo we can't help but question if Paulie is being honest about the groundswell of support that he's receiving, or the claims being made about the numbers signing his petitions:
A similar rally in Calgary netted several thousands of signatures, “a hell of a lot of sheets filled,” said organizer Kyle McKee.
Still, if this were true, we wonder if those who signed are aware that the Aryan Guard is spearheading this effort in Calgary. But back to Hamilton:
Residue of both drugs and explosives were found on their clothes.
Well, that's a bit of a lie at this point as well. Back in November 2009 when a group of Tamil refugees made it to Canada, the government claimed that two articles of clothing tested positive for chemicals that could be used in the making of explosives. Then again, if you tested the clothing of the average Canadian farmer, there's a good chance that you would find residue of chemicals that could be used in making bombs... or fertilizing their fields. Either way, right?
Paulie is using something that occurred in 2009 and trying to say it applies to this case as well. Right now there's no indication that this claim is true at all (and, like the claim that the ship was filled with people infected with TB, may prove to be absolutely false). Besides, Paulie himself associates with people convicted of possessing bomb making materials.
Then again this refugee case is rife with lies and half truths. Not long ago, a "Toronto Sun" article claimed that most Tamil refugees returned to Sri Lanka for vacation during the civil war, calling into question their claims of persecution. Paulie jumped on it immediately:
First of all, what exactly is a "secret government survey"? Does that mean a poll? A focus group? A voluntary questionnaire? Were respondents randomly selected from the total Tamil immigrant population - not that I'm sure how, exactly, one would do that -- and then weighted so as to be representative of the whole? How was it conducted -- and by whom? What was the margin of error?
According to the Sun, CBSA refused to release the full study, although it did confirm the numbers obtained by QMI. The story did not, alas, provide any further detail on the methodology, so I sent a query off to CBSA to see if they'd be willing to give me a little more information. Less than two hours later, I received the following response:
Per your request: travel patterns of Sri Lankans returning to their homeland after being granted refugee status in Canada, we can confirm that a small sampling was done (50 persons) and here are the results:
Of the 50 files reviewed the following information was identified:
*Number of sponsors not previously deemed Convention Refugees - 19 *Number of sponsors formerly deemed Convention Refugees - 31 *Within the aforementioned subset of 31 sponsors formerly deemed Convention Refugees who, according to the FC1 applicant, had subsequently returned to Sri Lanka - 22
As this review was done based on statements applicants made during their immigration interview and not based on any formal entry control system, this information must be considered anecdotal in nature.
Numbers were counted within the sample group and no statistical modeling or statistical process was applied. As such, CBSA has no ability to state that this sample is statistically representative of any pattern that may or may not exist beyond this sample. Rather, these numbers are solely indicative of an observed pattern within the small sample reviewed.
Since there has been no analysis beyond what was on the immigration file in Colombo, these findings should be considered as context only.
Additionally based on the size and statistical validity of this sample, it should be noted that no conclusions should be reached on the comments/observations made on this file. So it seems that this was not, in fact, a "secret government survey," but a review of a sampling of files from Sri Lankan nationals, some of whom were formerly found to be Convention refugees, who now want to sponsor family members to come to Canada. No weighting was done, and no claim has been made that the findings are representative of the total population. In fact, as far as CBSA is concerned, it "must be considered anecdotal in nature." All of which may not make for quite as snappy a headline, but does, at least, provide some much needed context -- and when it comes to a public policy debate as emotional as this, it's hard to see how that could be a bad thing.
Our friend BigCityLib also provides further context by providing information from the Canadian Tamil Congress which indicates the trips back to Sri Lanka likely occurred during the four year cease fire.
“Send the illegals back!” shouted one young unemployed man from Hamilton as he grabbed a sign and joined the protest.
Perhaps this young man wouldn't be unemployed if he didn't stop to protest. Get a job you long-haired hippy!
See what we did there? You see, it's funny because when we protest, they tell us to get jobs. Funny, right? No? Oh, well, we'll move on (though we do have to wonder how Terry Tremaine, for whom Paulie cries poverty, managed to foot the bill to attend a protest in at least Hamilton and London).
Okay, while that might have been funny, this is hilarious:
Foreign ships engaged in human smuggling operations should not gain admittance to Canadian waters on principle: human smuggling is illegal. Other grounds include what is in the best interest of Canadians - what is in the best interest of human cargo destined to be utilized as sweated labour, or more chillingly, as operatives - and what is in the best interest of an ethnic community that has long endured Tiger fundraising shakedowns without recourse to Canada's legal remedies.”
Right. Paulie is deeply concerned with the welfare of the Tamil community in Canada. And we have a bridge to PEI we'd like to see you.
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Close this window Jump to comment formOh. Lovely. I think I recall Paul's article stating that a number of demonstrators wandered the street with the letters to the Prime Minister, and were gathering signatures. In all honesty, there were about 15-20 demonstrators in total, some of whom were uninterested in being photographed. Perhaps Paul included those who temporarily demonstrated along with us, a handful of supportive strangers, into the sum. At any rate, the demonstration was intended to be brief, and the number of signatures was quite impressive, I must say!
" ...'Send the illegals back!' ...shouted one young unemployed man from Hamilton as he grabbed a sign and joined the protest."
He [a friend of mine] is now employed as of two days ago. Isn't that cool? Apparently, he was in between jobs!
28 August 2010 at 00:47
I love how they follow someone like Ezra Levant, Who is Jewish. :)
Why don't they just stick to David Duke, or whatever scum listens to these days.
28 August 2010 at 03:41
It's kind of funny in a way, how they neoNazis have adopted the use of the Red Ensign, considering it was the flag we used while fighting the Nazis and all.
I actually live in Calgary, which appears to be the conservative capital of Canada, so I don't know about several thousand signatures, but I don't not believe it. Not to attack conservatives or anything, they just aren't known for their love of immigrants, and scare tactics have been shown to be highly effective on them.
28 August 2010 at 11:09
Well we have to go with the evidence we have at hand Meghan, and what we've seen and been told suggests otherwise. And given that Paulie is more interested in trying to intimidate minorities, we really do have to call into question his professed concern for the the Tamil community within Canada.
We're glad your friend is now employed and contributing to the economic prosperity of this country. :)
While you were with Fromm, were you able to ask him what his deal is as it pertains to Michelle Erstikaitis? We're still a bit confused by that.
28 August 2010 at 15:45
In regards to Michelle Erstikaitis: I'm actually concerned and confused about that too. I have no idea, Nos200. I'm sorry.
Evidence counts, I agree, and I understand. I'm just saying.
29 August 2010 at 00:38
Anonymous 1: Sometimes, people can be reasonable, and are not always concerned about a person's Jewishness because they have the ability to base their judgements upon another person's individual character and their intellectual content, rather than a trait of birth in which none of us have any control of for ourselves. Maybe I should only speak for myself, but I'd like to have some faith in humanity and believe that mankind isn't entirely moronic. I don't believe that Ezra Levant is a practicing Judaic. Therefore, he is still supported by those who are in opposition to the religion of Talmudic Judaism for whatever reasons they believe are logical.
29 August 2010 at 00:58
Anonymous 3: You're right... "neo-nazis" adopting that flag is ironic! Perhaps this is because they believe that this flag ought to represent a "white" nation. LOL
For those of you who may not know, the three maple leaves joined together honor the English, French and Native founders of Canada; three sets of people which are significantly diverse people apart from one another. This is why I believe that flag means so much more. Canada was not founded upon "whiteness."
Aside from "neo-nazis" and whomever else of the like that are "white" oriented [I'm speculating from my own personal feelings toward that flag and the Canadian war veterans], I suppose that others simply wish to bear their respect for the founding settler people of Canada AND for the Canadian veterans, though historically, and even presently, there are prominent ideological differences. No disrespect to our Canadian veterans is intended by associating the Canadian Red Ensign with this cause, in fact, I suspect that a great number of them would be more inclined to support this cause as well.
29 August 2010 at 01:00
Meghan G.-
My grandfather WAS a veteran, and my grandmother was a war bride. Both of their families arrived here on boats, in much the same fashion as the Tamils in question.
Paul Fromm should be grateful that most of our veterans are too old to shoulder arms again, they advocated much stronger methods of dealing with fascists than I.
There is no doubt as to Mr.Fromm's affiliations, supporting a neo-nazi is NOT patriotic.
29 August 2010 at 23:35
A person is not necessarily queer if they support gay marriage, or a Christian simply because their parents attend a Christian church. A scandalous blundering "Racist" isn't necessarily a neo-nazi or a fascist, just as Nos200, who may associate with communists and may share similar ideals, is not a communist. Having said that, the demonstrators aren't demonstrating in support of neo-nazis. They're supporting the cause to deport illegal immigrants from Canada, regardless of whatever they believe pertaining to any other matter of life at any other given time.
To me, it really doesn't matter where these illegal immigrants are from. Smuggling human beings into Canada is illegal. This is a matter of current Canadian law, not our personal feelings or our individual ethics. Members of your family traveled to this nation aboard a ship in the water, you say. That's nice to know. My father traveled through thin air in an airplane.
With all due respect to you and your victorious grandfather and his bride, and my own non-European father, their means of arrival is irrelevent due to the fact that only the current laws of the land and our current immigration policy apply.
30 August 2010 at 02:31
As for the AG et al use of the Red Ensign I can see how this happens. We are talking about the same people who prominently display various German icons at every turn including German flags. Yet they insist on displaying the Red, Gold and Black colours which were first used by the Weimar republic and were replaced ASAP by the Nazis with the old Red, White and Black colours of Imperial Germany. So really their use of the Red Ensign (the banner under which Canadians fought the Nazis beloved of the AG crowd) isn't ironic so much as moronic. They frequently claim to have an understanding of history yet constantly display this to not be the case.
30 August 2010 at 13:28
"Labels: Aryan Guard, attempted murder, McKee, Northern Alliance"
What do these JOKERS have to do with Hamilton? They are not liked or welcomed here!
30 August 2010 at 21:54
"Meghan G.-
My grandfather WAS a veteran, and my grandmother was a war bride. Both of their families arrived here on boats, in much the same fashion as the Tamils in question.
Paul Fromm should be grateful that most of our veterans are too old to shoulder arms again, they advocated much stronger methods of dealing with fascists than I.
There is no doubt as to Mr.Fromm's affiliations, supporting a neo-nazi is NOT patriotic."
But you're grandparent's weren't dangerous terrorists who have killed innocent men, women, children and two prime ministers in Sri Lanka. I'd rather have them as far away from my land as possible. I don't like the though of allowing murdering scum into our country that will pose a threat to our society.
31 August 2010 at 18:26
Wow, way to frantically demonize. Ever wonder how may trolls are really just Paulie trying not to look like a complete moron in hindsight?
He did the exact same dance in 1981 trying to whip up xenophobia against a ship full of Vietnamese. All of them are now productive members of society, which is more than I can say for Paul Fromm.
1 September 2010 at 21:13