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"Marx's influence on Rawls"

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Anonymous bd said...

Fascinating. Layperson here, so I'm barely keeping my head above water.

I think I knew Marx was a philosopher, but only ever studied the manifesto.

March 18, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Anonymous Rakesh Bhandari said...

Having read all the literature that you mention, I must say that I think your book on the Scientific Marx is the most important of them all. It lays out brilliantly the questions that Marx is trying to answer but does not himself always clearly articulate, and you show why he thought of himself as the Galileo of the social sciences. Now it's been fifteen years since I read it, but I cannot imagine having come to understand Marx without having read it. I shall re-read it soon.
As for critique and exploitation, two quick points.
Marx's critique is also meant to point to the puzzles that classical political economy could not itself solve or the contradictions in which it was ensnared.
As for the exploitation theory, I find it interesting that Marx first lays it out in chaps 4-6 and returns to it in chs 22-23. As I mentioned before I think what he is saying is that the wage exchange is not just exploitative, it is not really an exchange at all at least from a certain scientifically sound perspective that alas has no validity from within bourgeois society. This development of the exploitation theory obviously is important for understanding the nature of Marx's critique of liberalism.

March 20, 2010 at 10:29 AM

Anonymous Rakesh Bhandari said...

I am not an economist, and I must say that the labor theory of value seems to me to be at least reasonable.

First, why else the obsession with raising labor productivity? It's because prices tend to move with labor time requirements that firms must raise labor productivity and reduce prices (assuming a constant value of money)--otherwise they could not stay competitive. The labor theory of value has a practical ring to it.

Second, I don't see the importance of the Sraffian framework that Samuelson, Steedman and Roemer used to critique Marx. Say that you have given objective conditions of production and distribution is settled extra-economically. OK from within this frozen framework you can determine relative prices and the profit rate, and you don't have to make reference to the labor theory of value. But if you want to understand how those exchange ratios will change over time, you have to understand how rates of labor productivity growth are varying inter-sectorally. Again you have to make reference to labor time, for it's changes in rates of labor productivity growth that is leading to changes in the given conditions of production and thus changes in relative exchange ratios over time. You can't understand the movement of the economy without reference to labor value, so it's ridiculous to dismiss it as redundant or even more strangely as metaphysical.

It should be noted that even as harsh a critic of Marx as Lord Meghnad Desai concedes that as a hypothesis as to what is the main determinant of changes in exchange ratios over time the labor theory of value is in fact empirically robust.

Third, abstract labor time is referred to all the time when customers make relative value judgments. That is, when we try to figure out why a hand made sweater is more valuable than a machine produced one or why a fine meal into which a lot of preparation went is more valuable than a fast food meal, we are making assessments of relative abstract labor time that went into their production. Again the labor theory of value has a practical force.

Fourth, Marx clearly recognized that while prices would move with value as labor productivity rose at varying rates across sectors (that is, varying rates of labor productivity growth would be the main factor accounting for changes in exchange ratios, and unit prices would tend to move downward, on the assumption of a constant value of money, across the economy due to rising labor productivity), he also understood that other forces would move prices away from proportionality to labor values, and he singled out the tendency for the rate of profit to equalize.

But because the law of value contradicts the tendency for the rate of profit to equalize does not mean that the law of value has no force at all. It just means that social dynamics are best understood as resolutions of contradictory tendencies which are equally immanent to the system.

I would also argue that the transformation problem is a non-problem.

Fifth, it's well known that the main law of motion associated with the labor theory of value is the law of the tendency for the rate of profit to fall (if labor is the only source of new value, surplus value should fall relative to the capital investment the production becomes mechanized and living labor is expelled from the production process). Now the critique of the labor theory of value was strengthened by the apparently visible fact that the profit rate had no such tendency. There are many points to be made here, but I shall just refer to Akerlof and Shiller's Animal Spirits, pp. 133-135.
Here they make the point that what was thought to a real profit boom that justified the upward movement of the stock market could have instead been the consequence, via wealth and credit effects, of speculative run of asset values. That is, real profits can be raised for some time by speculative booms. But then the law of value asserts itself just as the law of gravity does when a roof falls upon a house.

March 20, 2010 at 6:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, the labour theory of value is false - see George Reisman on the exploitation theory. The demand for goods does not constitute demand for labour - the whole premise is mistaken and has been since J. Mill's book on commerce, 1804.

March 12, 2016 at 6:09 PM

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