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"Marx's relevance as a social scientist"

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Anonymous Michael Bishop said...

Prof. Little, you say that you've generally avoided addressing, "does available evidence confirm or falsify Marx's account," or more specifically, what evidence is there for or against various aspects of his account.

Instead you have focused more attention on whether Marx's "efforts at explanation, inquiry, and justification are reasonable ones within social science."

Well, my first issue is that I don't know exactly what you mean, but to the extent I understand, it seems that the question you avoid would shed a fair bit of light on the questions you address.

June 13, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Anonymous Rakesh Bhandari said...

One question is whether some of the crucial assumptions that Marx builds into Capital are not relaxed even by the end of the third volume.

The movement from value or simple prices to prices of production reflects Marx's finally allowing for the dynamic inter-sectoral movement of capital. That assumption is not even dropped in the second volume which indicates the distance between the model of reality (the reproduction schema) and the reality of the model. The dropping of said assumption creates the famous contradiction between the third and first volume.

Marx never breaks free from the assumption that gold is the money commodity (and that money is ultimately a commodity) and that gold has a fixed value. That assumption allows Marx to assume that all changes in exchange ratios result from changes on the commodity side of the universal equivalent relation. He creates an invariable measure to examine the effects of the growth of the productive forces, i.e. rising labor productivity or, what is the same thing, declining unit values.

But even with the specter of the return of gold as a store of value, we now have fiat money, and Marx's assumptions about the money commodity can only interfere with analysis of the international monetary system.

For example, we have the puzzle today of why US Treasury debt has been so much in demand in response to so called uncertainty that even unsustainable deficits are not putting upward pressure on yields. US Treasury debt seems to have usurped or at least come to share the role of store of value with gold. Perhaps this is a last hurrah for the dollar before a panic reversion to gold?

June 13, 2010 at 11:13 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

How does your analysis hold up? Both well and not very well at all. You do end up saying (although slightly convoluted) that Marx isn't particlarily useful, and that's quite right. But you also presume that we have a class society of owners and not owners, and that is less and less true, and it seems to me to be less true in countries which have free economy, and hence are usually seen as more capitalist. :-)

The problem is of course that Marx analysis started at the conclusion, and then fit facts into that conclusion, and the conclusion was wrong. His analysis is an attempt to scientifically prove that socialism was superior and inevitable, and this was simply incorrect. He never tried to understand capitalism or analyze it in itself, he only analyzed it with the goal of supporting his ideology. And that attitude isn't very likely to give you any fundamentally useful insights.

June 19, 2010 at 7:59 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does Marx Need to Transform? See:
http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~wpc/reports/vol3/vol3.pdf

September 18, 2010 at 3:00 PM

Blogger Sheldon said...

@OpenSociety
"But you also presume that we have a class society of owners and not owners, and that is less and less true, and it seems to me to be less true in countries which have free economy, and hence are usually seen as more capitalist. :-)"

Really? Did he really post that? He takes what is so obviously the most true, and claims it is false! Incredible!

I suppose he might mean to suggest that 401K plans and pension funds make people actual owners of capital. But they are not effective owners and controllers of capital.

Dr. Little, Do you ever respond to comments? It would be interesting. As for me, I have read and re-read The Scientific Marx a couple of times, and have enjoyed it immensely. Of course the analysis of capitalism can only begin with Marx and continue with later thinkers. But without a Marxist critique, none of it makes sense to me.

January 23, 2011 at 3:11 AM

Blogger Dan Little said...

Sheldon, Yes, I do sometimes respond to comments. But only if there's something specific to say -- otherwise I'm happy to have the several perspectives represented by different comments speak for themselves. Your point about ownership and control is very true. And thanks for your comments about TSM!

January 25, 2011 at 9:09 AM

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