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Blogger Cesar Uliana said...

Hi Dan, I've been lurking here for some time, really appreciate your posts.

Regarding the military complex investing in, and directing research, I thought you might be interested in the following anecdote: between the late fifties and early seventies the US Air Force poured a lot of money in propulsion research. One of these projects was in gravity propulsion, i.e. into a device that could generate anti-gravity. By that time physicists were well aware that anti-gravity was nonsense, yet undeterred the US Air Force still funded physicists and mathematicians doing pure research in general relativity in the hopes that something came out of it, and established important groups in Syracuse and Austin. Partly because of this funding, this period is known as the golden age of general relativity, particularly for black holes research.

I think it is an interesting example of how funding decisions were made during the cold war, and how physicists adapted to the circumstances.

Do take my description with grains of salts, I'm pulling everything from my memory, but in case you're interested in more details I'll be happy to browse my books and point you the direct sources. Most of it is based on recollections of physicists involved that were published in articles concerning the history of general relativity.

All the best.

June 27, 2020 at 3:01 PM

Blogger Dan Little said...

Cesar, Thanks for this ... it's very interesting. I would be interested in more info or sources. Dan

June 28, 2020 at 10:19 AM

Blogger Cesar Uliana said...

Hi Dan,

So, in one book, "The Kerr Spacetime", edited by D. L. Wiltshire, M. Visser and S. M. Scott, which is a collection of articles in commemoration of physicist Roy Kerr, there is one article by Kerr himself (Chapter 2). In this chapter he mentions in the second page going to Syracuse to join Peter Bergmann for post-doctoral work (the year is 1958). While there, another physicist, Joshua Goldberg, invited him to join the Aeronautical Research Lab, in Dayton, Ohio. In a footnote Kerr notes the rumour that the US Air Force was funding research in anti-gravity propulsion, and dismissess as nonsense. As he relates, he thinks the US Air Force was only trying to show the Navy they could do pure research, and that the extent of his interactions with the military was actually disproving gravity propulsion systems that were sent the US Air Force way. Unfortunately he does not say anything more of use.

On the other hand, I've found a paper by D. Kaiser and D. Rinckles, "The Price of Gravity: Private Patronage and the Transformation of Gravitational Physics after World War II", which recounts the late fifties funding in general relativity. This paper mentions that there was a mix of military and private funding, and it seems it was those private individuals that were vocal about anti-gravity propulsion. They funded a research group at Chapel Hill, North Carolina, and the major names later relocated to Austin, Texas (it seem this is where the Austin group came in my memories). Anyway, this paper seems the best resource, as it talks about the US Air Force and military industries involvement.

Among Kaiser and Rinckles' references there is a paper entitled "United States Air Force support of general relativity: 1956-1972" by Joshua Goldberg (the same name that invited Roy Kerr). This should probably be the place to look, but unfortunately I couldn't find a copy.

In essence, let me apologise for being misleading in my previous comment, it appears that either I'm plain wrong or at best the situation was much more complex than what I remembered. The Air Force seems to have really played a role in the golden age of general relativity by supporting diffuse groups, but it does appear they we're not just fishing for some impossible propusion.

Hope you're safe during this times,
Cesar

June 29, 2020 at 10:59 PM

Blogger Dan Little said...

Cesar, thank you for following up. These are interesting references — I’ll see if I can locate the Goldberg article. Thanks for taking the time! Dan

June 30, 2020 at 6:17 AM

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