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"Technology lock-in accidents"

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Anonymous Sam said...

Hi there,

I used to work in the nuclear industry, and to put it bluntly you're massively understating the difficulty of getting a molten salt reactor design running. Older reactors had issues with leaks (molten salt is not fun stuff!), the highly complex chemistry due to the extremely corrosive nature of the various chemicals, pump failures and all kinds of other things. I think that there were also issues around neutron embrittlement of the reactor vessels due to the specific alloys which had to be used to house the salt in the first place. To say that "the technological challenges of maintaining a molten salt cooling system are readily solved" is, frankly, completely wrong. The stuff is a nightmare to deal with.

It is a common trope all over the internet that MSRs were abandoned for purely regulatory reasons and if it weren't for the industry running off in the direction of water reactors then we'd all be swimming in safe, cheap, salt-driven nuclear power, but this is a gross simplification of the much more complex reality.

March 16, 2018 at 7:15 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Concentrating solar power plants are already using molten salts as coolants. You can know more by searching about "Crescent Dunes" in the internet.

Molten salt reactor were invented for aircraft propulsion for a nuclear powered bomber which can fly months without refueling. The nuclear aircraft project was well funded and the aircraft-nuclear-reactors actually worked.

Molten Salt Reactor Experiment was designed to study the MSR for energy production. It was very successful and the Molten-Salt Reactor Experiment achieved more than 11,000 critical hours completing all the objectives of the experiment.

The Oak Ridge National Laboratory has produced a video about molten salt reactor. It is available on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyDbq5HRs0o

March 24, 2018 at 1:06 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Reply to Sam

Concentrating solar power plants already use molten salts as coolants. Crescent Dunes power plant is using is using molten salt technology.

Aluminum refining needs molten salts, especially the fluoride salts that are very similar to the ones used in a Molten salt reactor.

Even the Uranium enrichment process uses Uranium fluoride and Uranium hexa-fluoride. Which are fluoride salts of Uranium. Without enrichment process Light Water Reactors cannot run.

The Molten-Salt Reactor Experiment achieved more than 11,000 critical hours completing all the objectives of the experiment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyDbq5HRs0o

ORNL has also developed remote maintenance technologies for molten salt reactors - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHT-w2x6dDg

Jet engines operate at higher temperatures and higher corrosion environments. We have such alloys which can withstand high temperatures and corrosion. If US government or US military is interested in Molten Salt Reactor technology, it has capability to develop a commercial molten salt reactor within months.

March 24, 2018 at 9:34 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Light water reactors also prevent the development of other safer reactor technologies like Gas cooled reactors. It is explained in New York Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/05/magazine/why-the-best-doesn-t-always-win.html

"But there is little doubt that a competing gas-graphite system was safer because it offered greater protection against catastrophic loss of coolant."

Light Water Reactors are very compact and they can fit into a submarine and water acts as radiation shield for people inside submarine. But, Molten salt reactors and gas cooled reactors need heavy concrete shielding, they cannot fit inside a submarine. Gas cooled and Molten salt reactors are great for power production where heavy concrete shielding is not a design constraint.

The British developed Advanced Gas Cooled reactors work even today with great safety record. When Europe/NATO wanted nuclear submarines, USA imposed Light Water Reactors to them. So, France uses scaled up submarine reactors or LWRs.

March 24, 2018 at 10:04 PM

Blogger Özgür said...

Robin Cowan's study of "Nuclear Power Reactors: A Study in Technological Lock-in" * greatly summarizes all the story behind the lock-in to light water technologies in nuclear energy. As you mentioned, "Light water advanced rapidly along its learning curve, and by the time other technologies tried to compete, it was too late." Three factors, according to the paper I could say, prepared the light water's victory:
- The choice by the US Navy in the late 1940s of light water for its propulsion program and its subsequent research on that technology,
- The desire, following the Soviet atomic bomb (1949), for quick construction of a nuclear generating station and
- The subsidies given by the U.S. government in an attempt to have light water pre-empt other technologies domestically and in Europe.

* https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-economic-history/article/nuclear-power-reactors-a-study-in-technological-lockin/9460E8431DDC07C92EAD7E92946A9E44

April 5, 2018 at 6:40 AM

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