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"Beyond divergence"

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Blogger Nathan Tankus said...

This is a good post. I'm near the end of a China/Japan history course (it's focused a lot more on China then Japan) so this is very topical for me. I think one problem with the framing a lot of the literature has (I haven't read this latest book) is it assumes that it was a kind of "failure" for China not to have industrialized. I don't think this is necessarily true. At least i think that that is a point that needs to be proven. David Graeber in his book on debt has a pretty good discussion of this point.

November 20, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Blogger Greg said...

I'm glad someone has finally pointed out that it was the insecurity of property rights in Europe, from the fall of the Roman Empire through to the mid twentieth century, that drove progress. One small comment:

Wong and Rosenthal seem to be emphasizing supply-side factors. I'd like to point out that demand was just as important: the costliness of disputation drove the search for supernormal profits in manufacturing (and in trade, piracy, conquest, and traditional activities, of course).

Two further points. Besides driving manufacturing into cities, this insecurity drove military R&D and investment (much of which had civilian applications) and created a large group, military engineers, trained to solve practical problems. It also created the profession of lawyer, and it forced the use of appeals to evidence rather than to authority in its schools (which became universities).

Wong and Rosenthal's contribution is very welcome. The idea that for progress, it was necessary for property to be somewhat insecure is worth reflecting on.

November 21, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Blogger ... said...

I was just going to ask what Daniel Little thouhgt about what David Graeber had to say about the relation of China to capitalism compared to Europe. But some one beat me too it!

This is an interesting interview where he talks about the topics in his book http://www.mediacoop.ca/audio/ckut-interview-david-graeber/9122.

November 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Blogger Dan Little said...

Thanks for asking about David Graeber. I'm reading the book and will post about it soon.

November 26, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Anonymous Anton said...

I am surprised no one is mentioning Ian Morris' book "Why the West Rules for Now" which largely builds on Wong and Pomeranz work but also addresses both long-termist and short- termist issues in dealing with the issue in hand. For example, Ian Morris goes much,much further back in time, almost in pre history to answer the question about " the great divide"

November 30, 2011 at 5:33 PM

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