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"Key premises of analytical sociology"

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Anonymous Chris Morris said...

Two things seem to required to make sense of this: a definition of "individual", for example, for me to understand myself as having an individual identity I must be recognised as such by other individuals who require the same recognition from me resulting in a continual tension between being the same and being different which inevitably blurs the distinction between me and not-me to some extent.

And a definition of "causal mechanism" in regard to social phenomena whereby a critical consideration of how it may be possible to separate the variables, given the need for individuals to interpret not just the intentions of other actors but the social context in which the action takes place, is necessary.

May 31, 2023 at 11:54 AM

Blogger Paul D. Van Pelt said...

I like the idea of analytical sociology, even though the term is not a familiar one to me. Remembering an ancient(?) adage, however, my pragmatism is showing, as well as my lack of background in sociology: " if you always DO what you've always DONE, you'll always GET what you"ve always GOT". It is advisable to learn from mistakes. Bhopal and the Gulf of Mexico oil incident are apt illustrations. We try to use care, logic, reasoning and so on to avert and/or preclude catastrophic events. This works fairly well with technologies, though it is not fool proof. Sociology, analyzed or not, is not as trustworthy because it is about human behavior, not technology. When people behave, or fail to, norms say there will be some predictability. If, somehow, AS can improve THAT quotient, then good. If it cannot make a useful difference, it is just another academic exercise. Thank you.

June 1, 2023 at 7:43 AM

Blogger Paul D. Van Pelt said...

I offered a comment, earlier today, which may (or not) be posted after moderation. All good. This entry consists in questions, many of which are suspect or questionable, in current social contexts. I was never popular for my contrarian views.
* what are we to make of analytical sociology, in light of modern views on sexuality, gender, gender re-assignment, and so on? I don't care so much about ancient pronouncements on abominations or other moralisms. There is, however, a practical sense to this: hybrid humans, transgendered from male, to female, carry advantage into certain activities. Women's professional sports, for example. Perhaps, there were hidden, hidden agendas for early moralisms?
* causal mechanisms are equivalent to human interests, preferences and motives. All of that stuff changes with other forms of change. Can there be any way to predict it? No way in hell. This, or any other.
* is transgenderism or gender re-assignment a form of revenge? I truly hope not. Be careful what YOU hope for, lest web die with the consequences.
Final note: I am sure Feminism meant well. Well, pretty sure anyway...

Best and warmest wishes to all.

June 1, 2023 at 2:44 PM

Anonymous Asia Zanders said...

This is intriguing to me because I wrote my thesis on how understanding complex adaptive systems can improve society. I broke down many theories, one being the ecological theory and created a social ecological model that broke down the dynamics of systems into actor, characteristics, roles, and maintenance of that role to express how understanding the self (the individual) influences (behavior, beliefs, and other psychosocial elements) and is influenced by their surroundings- systems that hold history, customs, values, and so forth.

Reading this has helped me want to go back through and clarify what I am expressing better.

I completely agree that individual beliefs and actions are at the root of how society works. Psychologically speaking, once those individuals come together, the yearning is for meaning. How the individual creates meaning requires some type of support or alliance, building groups that form ideals and values that turn into norms for that group and the assumption that everyone ought to think, act, respond in the same manner. This is where laws and doctrine come in. The micro factor turn into meso and macro ones because the idea is that that entity thinks as one. We can look within governments and groups to see that isn't fully true, but that is the concept.

Anyways, I am going to do more research on this! Thank you so much for sharing this. I am full of joy from this!

June 25, 2023 at 10:54 PM

Blogger Paul D. Van Pelt said...

Ms. Zanders:
I do not know if your comment(s) were from anything I wrote, but am happy you gained something from this post. As did I. What you said about governmental accord, or lack thereof, struck a chord with me. As in the question: Is representative democracy always and in all ways representative? I think you may know the answer as well as I do. Keep up the good spirit! More of that is needed in turbulent times.

June 27, 2023 at 9:21 AM

Blogger Paul D. Van Pelt said...

There are, it seems, numerous efforts to analyze. My earliest exposure to this was analytical philosophy, ala, Wilf Sellars. I am not sure analysis is helpful. The pragmatist in me, you see. Personally, I learned far more from James, Rorty, Dewey and Davidson. While Searle's notions were helpful and interesting, they too generated doubt, controversy and dissention. Thus is the nature of philosophy:argumentative; doubtful;speculative---take your pick, add more. Done.

July 5, 2023 at 4:24 PM

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