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"Rawls on political liberalism"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience, then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right. It is truly enough said that a corporation has no conscience; but a corporation of conscientious men is a corporation with a conscience. Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice."

-Thoreau, Civil Disobedience

January 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous: that sentiment has indeed led many to a unjust acts of political violence, including the most indiscriminate sorts of terrorism.

January 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM

Blogger Dan Little said...

The great thinkers about conscientious civil disobedience, including Thoreau and MLK, acknowledged the moral authority of the state, insisted on non-violent disobedience, and affirmed that those who broke the law peacefully nonetheless had a duty to accept legal punishment. This is a completely different philosophy from the view that one's conscientious disagreement with a law creates justification to take up arms against the state.

January 16, 2011 at 6:34 AM

Blogger troutsky said...

Of course the keystone to the theory is the neutral state which is an impossibility under capitalist social relations and relations of production. The state embodies an ideology through it's protection of property rights.

January 16, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Blogger Bruce Wilder said...

Rather than frame the liberal constitution in terms of a prior, second-order commitment to principles of legitimate process, one can imagine an on-going political truce.

One could play the constitutional game with the knowledge that one's own group is never going to be part of a persistent constitutional majority, only transitory majorities on particular issues, and under such a regime, the second-order commitment to legitimate process is a dominant strategy in the game's on-going equilibria.

If individuals have membership in many groups, with differing issue attachments, and some such groups have potential persistent majorities, the willingness of corresponding minorities to fight, might be necessary to the establishment of a liberal constitution.

A Protestant majority may not be willing to suppress a Jewish minority, if the price is a disruption of commerce or a disturbance of civil peace, or the potential general breakout of subsequent conflicts among Protestant sects.

My point is that an on-going liberal constitution may depend on a mix of commitments. A commitment, on a broad range of issues, and among a broad range of groups, to peaceful process, may actually be complemented by a credible threat of either non-violent non-cooperation, or actual violence, limited or unlimited, from some groups on some issues.

In a decentralized state and political economy, arguments over the "scope of government" open the possibility of not having to reach a unitary (aka "centralized") decision on some choices. But, that also raises the question: what are the limits for secession?

An authoritarian group can make a libertarian claim -- that's what the secession move is -- denying the legitimacy of centralized choice. Is that equivalent to insurrection or revolution? Or, can it be accommodated, within an on-going liberal regime?

And, there's also a federal move, where a locally oppressed or frustrated minority can seek centralization of a choice at a "higher" level of government. Liberalism has often advanced in such moves, as when Catholic countries in Europe achieved secular reforms within the clumsy legal machinery of EU harmonization, or the U.S. ended slavery and, later, racial segregation.

My second point, then, is a Madisonian one: that on some issues, at least, liberalism needs governments of various scope, a decentralized hierarchy of governments, as it were. That, in turn, leads to the problem of technocracy, disabling democracy, another can of worms.

January 20, 2011 at 5:10 PM

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