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"My Royals Hall Of Fame Ballot, Part 2."

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Blogger Unknown said...

I would add one more criteria for someone to be placed on the ballot - the player must have participated in more than one winning season with the Royals.

March 24, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the inclusion of Bo. As you could tell from my comment on your last article (if you in fact read them all), I also believe he belongs.

March 24, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Blogger Michael said...

There's one problem with your criteria Robert. With all the losing over the last 20 years, very few players in recent memory would merit even being put on the ballot, unless they played on the 2003 team.

For example, lets say the Royals continue finishing below .500 for 2011 and 2012. Then, they trade Billy Butler, who's coming off back to back 30 homer seasons (just speculating, not expecting that!) with .300+ batting averages. Couple that with the solid seasons he's already had and he should be a Royals HOFer. It's not his fault the talent around him sucked in the beginning of his tenure, and was very young at the end of it.

March 24, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Blogger Charles Winters said...

The problem with Robert's criteria: David DeJesus. Clearly a Royals HOFer.

March 24, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Blogger Timothy said...

I always get torn up with my feelings about Bo. On one hand had he not played football he easily could have blossomed into a real HoF for the Royals. On the other hand if he hadn't, I don't think we could have truly appreciated his freakish athleticness.

March 24, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Blogger Phil said...

Your breakdown of Bo is uncharacteristically efficient. Its also spot on. Good stuff.

March 24, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Blogger genuinebeat said...

I don't care what the numbers say. I was at the game at Yankee Stadium when Bo hit the 3 homers and hurt himself diving for a Dion Sanders in the park homer. After Bo's third homer, the Yankee fans were on their feet chanting his name. I don't know that I have ever seen Yankee fans do that before Bo or since. That is what greatness is. I agree, Bo is a Royal Hall of Famer.

March 24, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Blogger ChrisM70 said...

"you can’t tell the story of the Kansas City Royals without talking about Bo Jackson."

You mean you can't tell the POSITIVE story of the KC Royals without Bo.

If we were trying to tell the story of the Royals Franchise, Ed Hearn, Mark Davis and Tony Muser would be easy first ballot inductees.

If Bo's stats aren't good enough - he doesn't belong, regardless of how many Nike commercials he starred in.

March 24, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Blogger Michael said...

Charles, I do disagree with you on DeJesus. He's not a Royals HOFer. He was a barely above average major leaguer. On a good team, he's a contributor, not a star. The only reason he was a star here is because there were very few players in KC that were better during his tenure.

March 24, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

Appier is a no brainer. You made a fabulous case for Bo Jackson, and I agree he should be in. I just think Darrel Porter (Best non George Brett WAR season in Royals history, catcher on the best Royals team, the first world series team, and another playoff team, 120 OPS+ playing catcher), Charlie Liebrandt (overshadowed by Saberhagens 2 Cy Youngs, he and sabes were actually about the same pitcher from 1984-1988. 1989 was the last year for Charlie, and poor one, while Bret had his 2nd Cy Young, but 5 years of being a dual ace with Sabes should be good enough.), and Danny Tartabull (highest slugging, OPS and OPS+ in Royals history, best non Brett offensive season in history) are bigger slights which need to be addressed.

March 25, 2011 at 7:38 AM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

Michael- DDJ led the Royals (non pitchers) in WAR each year from 2005-2009. He was leading in WAR when injured in 2010. Being the Royal's best player for 5 and a half years should count for something.

Although he did not have that one monster year, he has 5 seasons of 3.0 WAR or better. (as well as 2.9 in the partial year of 2010) The number of other Royal's players with 5 or more seasons of 3+ WAR? Two (George Brett and Amos Otis)

When he is eligible, he is in.

March 25, 2011 at 8:28 AM

Blogger amr said...

"different pitchers when asked to close out a game than when asked to simply hand off a lead to the closer."

As a Twins fan, I found LaTroy Hawkins to be this way, and then the Cubs signed him and let him blow saves as the closer.

March 25, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Blogger Antonio. said...

There are plenty of players in the Hall that would be contributors on good teams...like they were when they played here.

March 26, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Blogger Michael said...

So KHAZAD, because he was average for a long time, he's a HOFer? Not in my book.

March 27, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Blogger Antonio. said...

What do you think of a very average player being very high up on the leaderboards of your favorite team?

On 6/14, Rany reported that DDJ was 13th in games, 9th in hits, 8th in doubles, 7th in triples, 10th in runs, 12 in RBIs, 17th in HRs and 2nd in HBPs.

After that, DDJ added 29 games, 38 hits, 5 doubles, 12 runs, 7 RBIs and 1 HBP (hitting .328 .366 .371 after the remarks were made). Average or not, he played long enough to move himself into a position of being called an all-time great Royal. If he hadn't been injured, he'd be a bit higher on all of the lists considering how well he was playing when he went down. But since he was injured, it was a poor time to trade him. They shoulda/coulda held onto him until June-July and would have likely done better in trading him.

March 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM

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March 29, 2011 at 9:48 PM

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