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"The Lineup."

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree. I made roughly the same argument to my brother a couple of weeks ago. Though the idea of going Crisp-DeJesus hadn't occurred to me. I love the final lineup, and I hope hope hope Butler and Gordon prove worthy of it. That will make for a fun year to watch.

March 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Blogger Brett said...

Your Teahen-Bloomquist-Guillen defensive sub comment reminded me of something else I've been thinking about. Some people are saying that if Bloomquist wins the 2B job, someone like Tony Pena Jr. has a better chance of making the roster, because otherwise there's be no bench players who can play SS. But in this hypothetical scenario, wouldn't it make a lot more sense, on Aviles's off-day, for Bloomquist to shift over to SS and Callaspo play 2B, thus having a backup infielder who can hit better than Mario Mendoza?

March 25, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"By comparison, it is impossible for the cleanup or #5 hitters to bat in that situation (two out, no one on) in their first plate appearance."

...unless, of course, the #3 or #4 hitter hits a homer.

March 25, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Blogger Rany said...

Good point, anonymous. That's a trade-off I can live with.

March 25, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good stuff Rany, I've pointed out for quite some time that the biggest disadvantage to adding "proven" players is that if your manager isn't a strong personality they almost let the experienced guys bat where they want. It took only a few weeks of spring for the Jacobs propaganda machine to start, first pointing out that he just needed AB's to "learn" to hit lefties and then continuing the Royal tradition of equating patience at the plate with reducing strikouts (wtf?)From Olivo getting his way after demanding to play to the handling of Jacobs as some kind of great player is business as usual. Even if you think Moore is doing a great job, Hillman is over his head.

March 25, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding Rule #3:

I see an add'l benefit to putting the speed behind the #4 or #5 hitter; a speedy guy on first is a dynamic the pitcher is forced to content with. One might also call this a distraction. Distractions lead to mistakes. Mistake pitches would generally help batters at the end of the lineup who typically can use any help "thrown" their way.

March 25, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was great, thanks for the read. One vote to make you the Royals Assistant Director of Roster Management, Special Advisor to the Lineup Executive.

March 25, 2009 at 9:18 PM

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March 25, 2009 at 10:33 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding Ichiro, many of his hits are of the infield variety, which may turn into more fielders choices in the #2 hole. Solid #5 option, too, where he can advance himself in front of singles hitters.

March 25, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Blogger Rany said...

Jess, that's a good (and popular) thought, but unfortunately the evidence shows that with a fast runner on first base, hitters hit no better than they do with no one on base, and in fact might hit a little worse. Apparently the threat of the steal - and the need to take pitches to let the runner attempt the steal - distracts the hitter more than it distracts the pitcher.

All the more reason to keep that distraction away from your best hitters, though.

March 25, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I do think that Gordon will hit 20 hr's this year, I believe Jacobs will have his best season yet. With that, I see Butler and Guillen all hitting over 20 bombs and this offense will be one of the better ones in MLB. Also, guess who leads the Royals this Springs in walks? Crips of course but Jacobs is 2nd. Say what you want about ST not counting, a walk is a walk. I see great things from him this year. His 6 dingers may be tops in ST right now.

March 25, 2009 at 10:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Posnanski had a blog on this awhile back. http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/06/24/b-log-lineups-and-umpiring/ Doesn't seem like the order matters that much...

March 26, 2009 at 2:02 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, the "pitching lineup" (aka rotation) is set for game 1 and 2 in Chicago, with Meche and Greinke, respectively, taking the hill. No surprise, but once again, this means no Zack at all vs. Yankees for the first home series, and no Meche for the home opener.

(Assuming Regular Rest)

Apr 6 - Meche
Apr 7 - Off
Apr 8 - Greinke
Apr 9 - Davies
Apr 10- Hochevar? Ramirez? Ponson?
Apr 11- Meche
Apr 12- Hochevar/Ramirez/etc
Apr 13- Greinke
Apr 14- Davies
Apr 15- Hochevar/Ramirez/etc

This is kind of a downer for all those coming out for the home opener and the rest of the opening series against the Yankees, and for me, since I will be there the 14th and 15th. Oh well, hopefully this means an extra start and/or win for Meche or Greinke at the end of the year to clinch the division.

March 26, 2009 at 8:28 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rany,
Love the blog. Never written in before. The few times I disagree with you, you often win me over. HOWEVER, your statement that David DeJesus is a GOOD baserunner made me gag....The same David DeJesus known for over-running bases, getting picked off first, and generally having his thumb up his you-know-what while on the basepaths?? You've got to be kidding. I consider him one of the most bone-headed baserunners in all of baseball!

March 26, 2009 at 8:39 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Teahen would have been beter off being moved to SS, with Aviles moving to 2B.

What do you think will happen with B. Pena and Shealy? Both are out of options, and appear unlikely to make the team.

March 26, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent read.

I like your lineups, except for the 1st one with Coco batting lead off. Based on the extra plate appearances, I prefer to have one of my top hitters up there. Probably Gordon to start, then ease in Butler initially against lefties, full time after he's settled in.

I had Bonds two years ago in strat & used him in the leadoff spot. Nice to start more then half the games with a base-runner.

March 26, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Rany

Still looking for a ticket to the Royals home opener in Chicago?? My son just moved to Chicago from KC and I am coming up to visit and see the royals begin their pennant drive! have an extra ticket if you are interested.

March 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rany great post. i dont comment on your blog very often but i am a weekly reader and appreciate all the support you have for the Royals. But with that said i think there is noway the Royals dont open with Teahen in the infield. Be it 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or DH he will be in there. He is absolutely killin the ball this spring and has paid his dues and deserves one final year to prove that he is what he is. i think it was a sign us holding on the mark and i think this is finally his year.

March 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Rany, I'll take your bet regarding Jacobs and Gordon. The Unknown Royals Fan will happily bet that Mike Jacobs will hit more dingers in 2009 than Alex Gordon. You pick the stakes, blogger vs. blogger.

March 27, 2009 at 2:15 PM

Blogger John said...

I've believed for a long time that it would pay off to put a great hitter in the No. 2 slot, but I haven't seen it tried for real since Billy Martin often batted Don Mattingly second against certain pitchers in the mid-1980s. It worked then and I always thought he was on to something, for the same reasons you gave.

If I had been managing Barry Bonds, I would have found some guy with a .380 OBP to lead off, then stuck the low-OBP slugger third if that's what I had to work with.

March 27, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is absolutely ridiculous to even consider Butler leading off. Ever heard of the importance of going first to third on a single. I'd like to see Butler's fat *ss try to pull that off.

March 27, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Anonymous Dave said...

Looks like Teahen is going to be starting at 2nd on Opening Day. The way he is raking I'd bet Trey bats him 3rd again like last year. Now, I doubt he moves Dejesus down or leads him off, which means Aviles would move down to bat Dejesus 2nd leaving us with two back to back lefties after the swith-hitting Crisp as well as one of our better hitters in Aviles batting anywhere from seventh to ninth....assuming he is one of our better hitters this year and doesn't turn into Bo Hart. I'm betting Trey trots this line-up at for Opening Day.

Crisp S
Dejesus L
Teahen L
Guillen R
Jacobs L
Butler R
Gordon L
Olivo R
Aviles R

March 29, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Blogger Tylor said...

http://hotcornerroyalsblog.blogspot.com/ Please read my Royals blog.

Also I liked the lineup, but your a little down on Jacobs aren't ya?

March 29, 2009 at 11:23 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having listened and/or watched every pitch this Spring, here's my educated guess on what the Royals are gonna do on April 6th:

Rotation: Meche - Greinke - Davies - Hochevar - Ramirez
Bullpen: Soria - Cruz - Mahay - Farnsworth - Tejeda - Wright
Positions: Olivo - Jacobs - Teahen - Aviles - Gordon - DeJesus - Crisp - Guillen - Butler
Bench: Buck - Bloomquist - Callaspo - Gload - T. Pena
DL: Bale - Waechter

If I were Moore/Hillman: I replace Shealy with Gload - Maier with T. Pena - And Ponson with Ramirez from Omaha on April 25th

March 30, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Blogger Olentangy said...

GLOAD IS GONE GLOAD IS GONE YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! I don't care if the player to be named later is another player that the Royals have to give the Marlins. GLOAD WILL NOT BE POLLUTING THE LINEUP THIS YEAR! I LOVE IT!

April 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM

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