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"The Legacy Of The 2015 Royals, Part 3."

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Blogger Unknown said...

I agree it's a shame that Sal couldn't be on the field to catch the final out. On the other hand, I was very happy for Butera; after that walk he gutted out against the Astros, he earned his share of the glory. Given his career thus far, it's pretty safe to say that catching the clinching strikeout will be the highlight of his professional life, and that's something even a perennial All-Star could be proud of.

November 22, 2015 at 8:59 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

It was right about early summer of 2014 that I thought the only reason Yost hadn't been fired was that why would we let Moore hire his replacement when he was about to be fired as well.

In summer 2014, Moose belonged in Omaha, Hosmer was averaging roughly 1 extra base hit a week, Colon looked like a poor man's Placido Polanco, and Bubba Starling looked like he might never make it to Omaha, let alone contribute at the major league level. "The process" was at its most pejorative place.

So this is closure, I think, it a much broader sense than just going from the 2014 WC game. I think this is closure on Jose Guillen and Yuniesky Betancourt and Jeff Francouer and Wil Myers.

Now, less than 18 months than I - late to this particular party - wanted complete change of the leadership of the team - Ned Yost has the most wins in franchise history in both the regular and the post-season and the highest winning percentage of any manager in post-season play (cut-off 10 games, I believe). Yost and Gordon now have to have their numbers retired, right?

I am the odd Royals fan in San Antonio, and for the better part of a month, have had people congratulating me at work, at church, in the grocery store. When the Spurs won their most recent title, after being heartbreakingly close the year before, it was a community experience that I thought could never be topped. For the Royals to have a similar journey after 20 years of utter irrelevance is befuddling to me even three weeks later.

November 23, 2015 at 10:40 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Awesome article, Rany! I appreciated your point of view and read it with a smile on my face and happiness in this Royals fan's heart!

November 23, 2015 at 12:07 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

So, reading this actually put a slight damper on my joy. (Well, not really since no matter what the Royals are still World Series champs.) I have bristled at anyone suggesting the Royals got lucky. "Focusing on our D when the other team signed a bat to play second isn't luck" I would say in defense of my team. "Putting the ball in play isn't luck!" But Hosmer, the way you described his post-season, that's just luck isn't it? Yes, the team had to get guys on in front of him (and that mostly ISN'T luck), but to have 17 rbi and 16 hits (and just 19 bases!)? I might have to keep that stat to myself when I am having "The Royals just got lucky" arguments with haters. By the way, thrilled to have you back on the blog!

November 23, 2015 at 12:54 PM

Blogger Drew Milner said...

Yost is still a moron and we won in spite of him. We have excellent horses. Yost Cost us 15 games in 2013, 15 in 2014 + 12 in 2015.

November 23, 2015 at 10:34 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

In one of the many postgame interviews after Game 5, Hosmer said that the scouting report told them if they got the chance to test the arms of Wright or Duda, take it. He said it only once. In every other opportunity to explain his mad dash from third to tie the game, Hosmer said they had to be aggressive with Familia on the mound and leading the series 3-1, or that he must have crazy (to Jimmy Fallon). Maybe the front office told Hosmer after that one explanation not to reveal the depth of the scouting or their confidence in it. If the story was valid, the scouting was dead on. As you noted, Duda's arm is, ummm, adequate. Wright's bad back had resulted looping, sidearm low-velocity throws to first throughout the series, exactly what he threw on Perez's chopper. Combined with Duda's flustered fliing home, it made Hosmer's dash a no brainer.
-- Mark P.

November 23, 2015 at 11:05 PM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

I am glad someone finally mentioned that Hosmer going was actually a smart decision. Analyzing the play the night of the game using my DVR, I actually decided (and still believe) that Hosmer is safe easily more than 50% of the time. I have been listening to people say he was meat with a halfway decent throw since, and they are all wrong.

In addition to the factors you mentioned, no one thinks about the other things that had to go right for Hosmer to be tagged out. Wright had to make a perfect throw, which he did. It was a typical David Wright throw, but it was placed perfectly. A one hopper after checking the runner, or one that makes Duda stretch up or brings him into the baseline, and he is safe from that. Duda has to make a clean exchange for the throw, which he did. Any little bobble, Hosmer is safe.

If he makes an on target throw, the catcher has to make a clean catch, turn and dive for the other side of the plate, making the tag without losing the ball. Duda, who went to first for a routine out, was probably surprised and alarmed when he realized Hosmer was going home threw the ball as hard as he could, maybe the hardest has ever thrown the ball in a game. It was too hard, and the ball sailed right to left.

If you freeze the tape at the moment when the ball glances off the diving catcher's glove, you can see Hosmer is 13 feet away launching into a headlong dive. From that time it is about half a second until his hand hits the plate. If Duda takes 10 mph off his throw or is more careful to make it accurate, the ball is about 9 feet away when Hosmer starts his dive. It has to travel the extra 9 feet, then he has to catch it clean, turn and dive accurately, and not lose the ball in less than half a second. If the throw was a perfect one, leading him into the tag, Hosmer is out. If it is the shoulder to waist high throw Duda was probably aiming for, he is most likely safe.

I put Gordon's chances last year at about 10%, and that was being generous. Besides the things you mentioned, and the extra things that had to go right this year, it is also the quality of the fielders (Crawford and Posey are both plus-plus gold glove types) and the routine nature of the throw and play. Crawford probably makes that throw 50 times a year in a game, and practices it every day. There was no element of surprise, because due to the nature of the play to that point, the throw was coming home already. Crawford was wound up and ready to throw it with Gordon at the base, and held on when he was held up. As mentioned before, there was definitely an "oh crap" factor with Duda, and there is also the fact that you almost never see a throw from first to home from the bag, around a runner, and it is not practiced either.

In the end, it was a great decision both years, and I would day that even if the outcomes were different.

Also, I will make a point that I have not heard from anyone else. The big mistake in the play was Wright making a "go through the motions" check of the runner and not really checking. The SS had just run behind him on his way to third, and if he had realized how far Hosmer was out there or that he might actually go, he could have kept the ball and run right at him. If Hosmer does anything but a headlong dash back to third with no hesitation AT ALL, (and they probably would have gotten him even if he did that) he is in a rundown and would be out easily. Wright didn't take into account the aggressiveness of the Royals, or the importance of the run, he just took a cursory look like it was any other play, and did not expect anything else to happen.

November 24, 2015 at 8:19 AM

Blogger jimkrunk said...

No, YOU'RE crying at your desk after reading this.

November 24, 2015 at 12:50 PM

Blogger Michael S. said...

No matter what you're opinion is on the chances of Gordon being safe last year, I still maintain those odds are still higher than the chances of them getting another base hit off Bumgarner last year. I still think he should have gone.

November 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM

Blogger rs said...

One more point about Hosmer's dash home:

On the day after Game 5, Fangraphs writer August Fegerstrom posted an article “Let’s Build a Scouting Report on Lucas Duda’s Arm” in which he posted videos of every instance in which Lucas Duda has thrown a baseball to another base with the intent to make an out. He included all throws Duda made in 2015 plus all throws Duda has made to home plate in his entire career plus all throwing errors Duda's ever made. There were 21 videos. How well Duda throws is perhaps the least interesting thing about the videos, in my opinion. What’s astonishing is that during his entire career, Lucas Duda has only thrown the ball to home plate three (!) times. Furthermore, each of those three throws he made after fielding a ground ball, and he was standing at least 20 feet inside the bag as he threw the ball home, a far easier angle than were he standing on first base.

That is to say that before the top of the ninth inning of Game 5 of the 2015 World Series, Lucas Duda had NEVER thrown the ball home in an attempt to catch a runner directly after catching a throw at first base. Never. Professional athletes make hard things look easy because they have done those hard things thousands upon thousands of times. It’s possible that Lucas Duda has never once had to make that throw in a game going back to little league. It’s possible that he hadn’t even practiced that throw since spring training, and possibly longer. Hosmer’s dash forced Duda to make a throw that he had never made before in a situation of maximum pressure. Can you blame Duda for airmailing it?

November 24, 2015 at 2:11 PM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

Thanks for the info rs. I almost didn't put the qualifying "almost" when talking about the first baseman throwing home around a runner, as it is very rare, but I didn't know if it had actually happened. I do know it is not practiced, at any level, because it happens so rarely. 99% of the time, if a first baseman throws home, it is after fielding a ball, and in a situation where he knows that is the play as he goes after the ball.

Michael S. - My opinion is based on reality, and yours is based the outcome of the game and nothing else. From where Gordon and Crawford were when Gordon was held up, it would take Gordon 4.5 seconds to cross the plate (It might be a little more factoring in the slide and the fact that he had already run 270 feet.) Crawford's throw would arrive in two seconds or less. I am 51 with a worn out (but accurate) arm and I can get it there in 3 seconds. Gordon would have been less than halfway home. Any major league hitter against any pitcher in history would have more of a chance of scratching out a hit than Gordon had of being safe.

November 25, 2015 at 3:40 AM

Blogger Michael S. said...

Did you even watch the World Series last year? Maybe you need the dvd version so you can watch it again.

Bumgarner was dominant the entire series. We did nothing while he was pitching. There was slim to no chance of us getting another hit off him to score Gordon. You know how confident we Royals fans are when Wade Davis is on the mound? Yeah, Giants fans felt that same way when Gordon was held at third. They knew Bumgarner wouldn't allow him to score.

November 26, 2015 at 6:57 PM

Blogger Michael S. said...

Did you even watch the World Series last year? Maybe you need the dvd version so you can watch it again.

Bumgarner was dominant the entire series. We did nothing while he was pitching. There was slim to no chance of us getting another hit off him to score Gordon. You know how confident we Royals fans are when Wade Davis is on the mound? Yeah, Giants fans felt that same way when Gordon was held at third. They knew Bumgarner wouldn't allow him to score.

November 26, 2015 at 6:58 PM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

Perhaps you should watch it again. Bumgarner was gassed in the ninth and lacked control, and the Royals let him off the hook. As dominant as Bumgarner was in the series, (and he was historically dominant) even if you don't know enough about pitching to see that he was gassed, about 15% of the batters he faced reached base, which is higher than the chance of Crawford or Posey making a catastrophic error, and that is what it would have taken for Gordon to be safe. Not a little error, like an offline throw or the catcher bobbling it a little, they had plenty of time to overcome that. He might have been out even if Crawford airmailed the throw, because Madbum backed up the play properly, and could have STILL gotten the ball to the catcher in time.

November 26, 2015 at 9:33 PM

Blogger John said...

I'm not a Royals fan, but I do read this blog and comment occasionally (if you follow sabermetric stuff at all, you learn about the Royals. I was reading Bill James' stuff 30 years when he was openly pulling for KC), and I was watching and pulling for KC in the playoffs both seasons.

I think you're both right in some respects about the ninth inning of Game 7 of the 2014 Series. Bumgarner was gassed, which is understandable considering he was going all-out on two days' rest. The pitch that Gordon hit was his 62nd of the game, after he'd thrown 117 in a complete-game win in Game 5. But...something just told me when they held Gordon that Bumgarner would get Perez and win the game. Sabermetrics and tired arms be damned, MadBum was going to drag the Giants to victory in spite of his teammates' best efforts to screw it up.

I'm glad the Royals got another chance and make the most of it. As for 2014, one day you'll be able to say it could have been two in a row, and it took a great pitcher in the finest two hours of a Hall of Fame career (I think MadBum makes it) to stop the Royals.

November 27, 2015 at 1:48 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Even if you peg Hosmer's chance at scoring at 50/50, the obvious question is, does your next hitter bat .500? Case closed...

November 29, 2015 at 7:51 PM

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