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Blogger Mark LaFlamme said...

Whenever I read one of these Rany pieces, I feel 15 percent smarter by the time I'm done. That is a seriously good analysis of the off season so far, and I understand each move better than I did coming through the door. I get so much of my Royals news fast food style, reading Rany always makes me feel like I'm having an extravagant meal for a change, and one that's even a little bit healthy.
Or something. Go Royals. Aoki and Infant seem like such decent moves, I'm terrified of what Dayton might do next.

December 14, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Thoughts on Bautista for Butler? Maybe include Cain and gio/Colon package?

December 15, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

I have to agree with what Mark said. I always enjoy reading these blog posts, Rany, infrequent as they may be. And I'm going to miss you on the Baseball Show podcast...

December 15, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Blogger Colin said...

I don't think he went on the DL, but it's worth mentioning that Moose missed chunks of time last season due to injury and ineffectiveness.

Also, I'd be interested in what kind of return KC could get by packaging Giavotella with a bullpen arm. With the kinds of contracts I'm seeing relievers get, it seems like there's serious value to get from trading someone like Crow or Hochevar.

December 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Blogger John VIril said...

I heard the Royals might be nosing around Johann Santana.

But, I doubt that would be the "big move" Rany's talking about.

Butler plus prospects for Bautista would be interesting. Somehow, I don't see it. I think the Blue Jays would be more likely to deal Dickey after a disappointing year.

December 16, 2013 at 2:41 AM

Blogger John VIril said...

I heard the Royals might be nosing around Johann Santana.

But, I doubt that would be the "big move" Rany's talking about.

Butler plus prospects for Bautista would be interesting. Somehow, I don't see it. I think the Blue Jays would be more likely to deal Dickey after a disappointing year.

December 16, 2013 at 2:43 AM

Blogger John VIril said...

I heard the Royals might be nosing around Johann Santana.

But, I doubt that would be the "big move" Rany's talking about.

Butler plus prospects for Bautista would be interesting. Somehow, I don't see it. I think the Blue Jays would be more likely to deal Dickey after a disappointing year.

December 16, 2013 at 2:44 AM

Blogger John said...

Problem with someone acquiring Dickey is that he's a knuckleballer, and once that pitch starts going wrong, there's no telling when the pitcher will figure out the problem. If you remember Tim Wakefield, he lost it for a year and a half and the Pirates gave up on him. Boston picked him up, brought in Phil Niekro for a week to work with him and got about 185 wins out of the deal.

I'm not sure I'd count on Dayton Moore being as smart as anyone involved with the Red Sox--even the 1995 version of the Red Sox.

December 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Blogger Fixing Your Image said...

Rany, is Yordano Ventura not ready to go this year as a SP? Didn't we see enough to know he belongs in the rotation? If so, we'd have Shields, Guthrie, Vargas, Duffy, Ventura...of course, if we can somehow hang on to Santana, it might be a moot point.

December 17, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Blogger Michael S. said...

Ventura and Duffy are both definitely not sure things. Counting on both of them to hold down rotation spots is a recipe for disaster. Bringing back Santana, signing a Garza or Jiminez, etc or someone of that caliber would give us a for sure number 2 pitcher and allow us to only have to depend on one of them. The other can either be a power arm out of the bullpen or get more work in AAA. The only question is if the Royals will spend the money to bring that type of arm into the fold.

December 17, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Rany--first time commenter on your blog (although I read you here and at Grantland all the time), and keep up the great writing. I am sort of surprised that your fellow Royals essayists (Joe Posnanski and Rob Neyer) have been so silent about Infante and Aoki.
My big wish for a final roster upgrade? It's simple. If ownership could be a bit more flexible, re-sign Ervin Santana for one year, 16 million + incentives. This way, Vargas represents an upgrade to the rotation instead of a replacement for the (admittedly erratic) Santana. Thus, the Royals can have a serious competition for the #5 pitcher, and build their depth in AAA . I don't think Santana is getting the contract that he was hoping for because of the 1st round draft choice attached to him. Conclusion: This brings the Royals up to a 87 win team on paper.

December 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Blogger twm said...

Well that solves the outfield logjam: Lough for Danny Valencia. I know no one thinks Lough is the player he resembled last year, but this feels like a sell low trade, not a quasi-sell high one. I have not watched much of Valencia since he left MN, but he was brutal as a Twin. I have not looked, but maybe the guy has an option left or something, maybe this is just about organizational depth rather than filling out the 25-man, because, well, pushing a guy like Bonifacio off the roster to make room for Valencia is a sure fire way to weaken what was looking like a well above-average bench. But, as a AAA depth guy who provides some insurance against Moose's potential decent into the abyss, I kind of like Valencia, I guess, just seems like less of a return than might have been possible for Lough, who, granted, was never going to return much.

December 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Blogger rockundrolla said...

I think maybe he's been signed as a lefty masher
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=valenda01&year=Career&t=b

December 18, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Blogger twm said...

Yeah, maybe. But who does he displace from the 25-man? He has been a poor defender at 3B, like painful to watch bad, and he certainly cannot handle 2B or SS, plus we have infield depth with Bonifacio in the fold. Unless another outfielder is on the way out (which makes some sense because five outfielders is a bit much), or unless the Royals decide to roll with an 11-man pitching staff, Valencia has nowhere to sit on the bench. RH caddy for Moose makes sense, I guess another move is on the way. Man I hope Dyson isn't shipped out, I love that guy.

December 18, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Blogger Charles Winters said...

Wow.. Now, they should mortgage the farm system for David Price....

December 19, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Blogger John said...

Not unless they have a ton of prospects they believe in in the lower minors. Otherwise, you're liable to sell off the entire farm system for Price, go 91-71 in 2014 and miss the playoffs by one or two games, and then suck for the next five years.

The cost of trading for Price, with the Rays' current demands, is only worth it if you win the World Series. The Rays sustain their success as a small-market team by always re-loading their gun with new talent from the farm system. The Royals need to be able to do the same thing, and making win-now trades with the Rays for their soon-to-be free agents is no way to do it. They've already been burned once...

December 19, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Blogger Michael S. said...

They were "burned?" Really? I think it was a good deal for both sides. The Royals got the pitcher they desperately needed, and the Rays got Myers.

At least in the first two years this trade will be a wash. A lot of how it turns out in the long run will be determined by either signing, trading, or getting draft pick compensation for Shields when his contract runs out after this year.

December 19, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Blogger Antonio. said...

It's nigh impossible to make a good deal out of desperation. If it is dependent on those things then it's not a good deal

December 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Blogger BobDD said...

"...at least in the first two years it's a wash"

That's not a defense of the stinkin' trade but the first half of the sentence of deservedly scathing rebuke.

December 21, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Blogger Steve N said...

Rany,

Thanks for another year of informative and interesting articles. They are most of the reason that I follow the Royals.

Steve

December 24, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Blogger John said...

It was a terrible deal for the Royals in 2013 and going forward. Yes, they got James Shields and he was good. But they would have been even better if they had kept Myers and played him in right field from Opening Day forward, used Bruce Chen in the rotation all year instead of trading for the batting practice machine named Wade Davis and starting him for four months, and using the money they didn't give to Shields on a quality free agent.

Two years of James Shields for six cost-controlled years of Wil Myers was an idiotic trade. There's no justifying it unless the Royals win a World Series with Shields leading the way. They've got one more chance.

December 25, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Blogger Michael S. said...

So basically you wanted them to continue doing what they'd been doing the last 25 years, and go young and cheap? How well has that worked?

To get the kind of free agents in the realm of James Shields you have to be an attractive destination. The Royals were not an attractive destination last offseason. They were a losing organization for over 2 decades. They wouldn't have gotten a good free agent with the money. At least not one of Shields' ability.

At some point you have to buck the trend when the trend obviously doesn't work.

December 25, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Blogger Mark said...

So when Tanaka finally gets posted, most reporters and all New Yorkers assume that it is right and fitting that the team with the most money gets the best player available, but when Seattle "steals" Cano from the Yanks, with an admittedly stupid contract, those same reporters and NYers get all apoplectic.

Even when the Royals sit on their hands, I can still find ways to enjoy the hot stove season.

December 26, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Blogger John said...

Regardless of what you might think of the general philosophy, trading Wil Myers for James Shields and Wade Davis made the team worse, not better. They would have won more games with Bruce Chen and an average pitcher in the rotation (didn't even need to be someone good, just someone who wasn't a pile of suckitude) and Myers in the lineup than they did by pitching Shields, who was good; Davis, who was so awful that he negated Shields; and playing Jeff Francoeur, who was so awful he put the team in the red.

And even if that wasn't true, they still traded away Wil Myers. The only way Dayton Moore should get a pass for doing that is if it works, and the only way it works is if the 2014 Royals win the World Series.

December 27, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Blogger Michael S. said...

Why do they have to win the World Series for it to have "worked"? Would they have won it with Myers? How can you be sure?

Bruce Chen is not some pitching God who would have put up the same numbers had he pitched in the rotation all year. The Royals used him masterfully last year, preserving his arm in the bullpen the first half of the year so he was still strong the second half. But make no mistake, last year was the best Bruce Chen you'll ever see.

And you're ridiculous if you think Wade Davis was just as negative as Shields was positive. Francouer was bad the first couple months, but Lough was good the second half, and because of his defense was actually more valuable than Myers. Baseball reference has Lough at 2.7 WAR to Myers 2.0. Davis was bad at -2.1, and Shields was a 4.1.

So, just using the WAR stat, Shields and Davis and Lough come out to 4.7 WAR. Myers and Odorizzi (who was 0.3) comes out to a 2.3. I don't include Francouer because he would have started the year in right field anyway. Whether it was with us or the Rays, Myers wasn't coming up till after the Super Two deadline.

December 28, 2013 at 5:12 AM

Blogger Allen's Blog said...

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January 14, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Wow Rany.

A looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong hiatus this time.

There has to be something interesting and comment worthy that the Royals are doing.

January 26, 2014 at 3:49 PM

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