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"Royals Today: 8/30/2010."

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Anonymous Chance said...

Thanks for the post on Betemit. There really has not been much discussion about him this year, but I was curious about his service time, etc.

The Royals don't have the luxury of dismissing players like Betemit just because they might be fluky. Better to bet that he is just figuring things out, and sign him for a few more years.If not, who is gonna play 3b next year?

August 30, 2010 at 4:05 PM

Anonymous cajunroyal said...

I thought we would have control over betemit next year. According to cot's he entered the year with 4.147 years of service time. Wouldn't that make him arb eligible for the last time next year? I hope so because that makes this decision a lot easier.

August 30, 2010 at 4:21 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once Moustakus does come up, having Betemit-Moose-Kila- Butler- Gordon starts to look like a real live major league lineup. At least all those guys have a chance to hit a HR, which unbelievably in major league baseball, the Royals have guys who are incapable of hitting a HR.

Speaking of HRs, if a guy is physically not capable of hitting a HR, which Kendall is certainly not able to do, then why is the guy playing major league baseball? How embarrassing- not only for the team but the player as well.

August 30, 2010 at 5:24 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fire Dayton Moore.

August 30, 2010 at 6:47 PM

Anonymous Victor Conte said...

The Royals need to get in touch with me. I can help with their Jason Kendall problem. One month on my supplements and Jason will be hitting the ball much, much farther.

August 30, 2010 at 7:47 PM

Blogger John said...

I wouldn't go paying Betemit too much money or commit for too long. He had 1,275 MLB at-bats prior to 2010 in which he had an OPS of 756, and that's also in line with what you'd expect from his minor-league hitting record.

He may have gotten better, but his Omaha performance in 2010 (765 OPS in 29 games) sure doesn't suggest that, and more than likely, his 1010 OPS is nothing more than a BABIP spike and a few extra balls that happened to fly over a fence. I bet he doesn't keep hitting that way in September.

August 30, 2010 at 7:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

RANY!! Three years, $12 million for Betemit? You're starting to sound like Dayton Moore! How about 3 years, $7 million? And I bet he'd jump at it.

August 30, 2010 at 10:47 PM

Anonymous thelaundry said...

12 mil for 3? Whaaa? This was just discussed over at Fangraphs, and his value is still low because the numbers seem fluky and because he is a below average fielder (someone over there called him "brutal", but maybe they confused him with Yuni). Non tender the guy - if he would take another minor league deal, great. If he would take a one year ML deal for 1 mil, fine. Anything more than that, let him walk.

August 30, 2010 at 11:40 PM

Blogger Kyle said...

I like Betemit alot. I don't know that he can play in the outfield. That would probably be Jose Guillen Part II. He is the best hitter on this team this year. He would make for a better spork that Bloomquist has the past 2 years.

Do the Royals control him for another year? If so, there is no need to think about a 3 year deal. Moustakas will be up no later than midseason, and Hosmer should be up to start '11. He will make for a nice utility guy next year, but I don't think there is a spot for him after that. Unless the plan is to trade Butler or Kila after they rake next year.

August 31, 2010 at 8:18 AM

Blogger kcghost said...

I would worry that Betemit would be the second coming of Alberto Callaspo. One above average season before reverting to just a guy. I just can't pull the trigger on a mulit-year deal for him.

August 31, 2010 at 9:25 AM

Anonymous Bubba said...

Maybe I am an eternal optimist but I would be okay with giving Betemit a 3 yr deal if it were in the neighborhood of $6-$7mil..especially if you believe he can play some RF. Worse case he's a slightly expensive utility player who can play at least 3 positions and provide some pop. You can afford to have a $2-$2.5mil utility guy when you have cheap, young everyday players like Kila, Butler, Moose, etc..

Also, how bout Moose blasting 3HR and 11 RBIs yesterday in Omaha? His combined AA and AAA stats are pretty ridiculous and his OPS in AAA is now approaching .900 after an atrocious start. His splits and low walk rate in AAA would lead me to believe he should probably start next season in AAA but I don't think it will be long before he forces a callup (likely in June of next year).

Finally, I am curious to see what people (particularly you Rany) think of Johnny Giovatella? I know Moose, Hos, and Wil Meyers are the real deal as far as prospects go (all will likely be top 10 hitting prospects in all of baseball heading into next year) and I am aware of inflated Texas league stats but Giovatella has been raking lately. He only has like 7HR but he's hit for more power lately (mostly ddoubles). As a 2nd round pick who is producing I have to think he would be close to AAA as well. Oh and if you do revisit the minor leagues, your extended thoughts on Paulo Orlando, Clint Robinson and our low level short season minor leaguers would be appreciated as well. Is the "next wave" of minor leagiers shaping up to be nearly as good as the most recent wave? What are the early returns on the 2010 draft (i know colon isn't exactly tearing it up in Wilmington)?

Other than that, keep up the good work Rany!

August 31, 2010 at 10:52 AM

Anonymous Dave said...

Agree with the comments, disagree with Rany. 4 mil a year is bad....4 mil a year for 3 years total is lunacy.

August 31, 2010 at 11:01 AM

Anonymous Chance said...

I don't care if he gets 3 mil a year or 1 mil a year, what I don't want is for the Royals to get rid of him, and then overpay for someone else's trash to fill the gap until Moose is ready. Betemit has been in our system for a few years, he has been productive.

And, oh by the way, there is NO guarantee that Moose can play 3b, so then what?

August 31, 2010 at 12:00 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's no stretch to say Jason Kendall is the worst player in baseball.

August 31, 2010 at 12:02 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every year the Royals have a worst player in baseball. If it's not Kendall, then Bloomquist, Elarton, Mendoza, TPJ.....sad.

August 31, 2010 at 12:21 PM

Blogger Michael said...

And I'm sure every team out there has someone that their fans will say is the worst player in baseball. It's not just the Royals, although many of their candidates have a lot better claim to the title than most teams!

I say offer Betemit arbitration. It's not like he'll be expensive anyway. He's on a minor league contract this year, so he's making the minimum or close to it. He might get 1.5 million in arbitration. We're paying Willie more than that this year, so paying that to Betemit would be a bargain!!

Also, Moose is pretty much ready now. The only reason he'll start next year in AAA is for financial reasons. We'll probably see him sometime around the beginning to middle of June, when he's safely out of Super 2 status.

August 31, 2010 at 12:41 PM

Anonymous Fast Eddie said...

How 'bout that Andres Blanco?

August 31, 2010 at 6:14 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shoooowww me da money. Betemit is not unlike any other player of this ilk. Wilson knows it's time to lay it on the line. Or, he's limping into 2013 Spring training as a low paid utility man saving his show up money with one eye looking for the nearest junior college to hang around as a non paid coach.

Rany has merit of course. My problemo with Wilson is his age (young), and having to sit out games. Betemit is essentially sitting out games mostly due to lower leg problems. Non Specific, just lower leg problems needs to sit out games and ice ankles. ???

A man his age who played interior defense needing pinch runners.....yikes.

I think motivation would be a problem if a long term guaranteed contract was offered.

On the other hand thanks a bunch to Rany for giving me a Freudian moment regarding suppressing a deeply hidden fear.

What if Soria was hurt, or sucketh this year. Good Gravy how many games would we have won? YIKES......I'd not thought of this before.

August 31, 2010 at 9:07 PM

Anonymous Curt said...

I went to game on the previous home stand and I noticed Jason Kendall chokes up. A catcher that chokes up? And still can't drive the ball? He must have neekid pictures of GMDM or something. Besided all that he is a crappy interview, he acts like he is Manny or something.

August 31, 2010 at 9:11 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know this is an extremely small sample size, but has anyone else noticed how much more relaxed the pitchers look with Pena behind the dish? Not trying to pile on JK here, but really highlighting one more reason why a switch hitting, walk taking, .300 hitting catcher can't seem to get more starts. That's all.

At least BP got the start tonight.

August 31, 2010 at 9:48 PM

Anonymous Nick Cola said...

Braves back up cather David Ross had a triple and a HR last night...in the same game. And we all know Kendall has had neither this season. After Brayan's horrible showing earlier this year at Toronto he has really come around it appears behind the plate. I would like to see him get a little more time back their.
And comparing Betemit to Bloomquist isn't all that fair. Willie is a good outfielder, plays better infield D and has some speed to put pressure on defense. Betemit is pretty brutal at 3rd base and would be a well below average OF'r.

September 1, 2010 at 8:29 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rany,

Could you please double-check this? I think it has been over a week now that the Royals have won every game that Pena started as catcher and lost every game that Kendall has stared as catcher.

September 1, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Blogger Kyle said...

I would not go as far as to say Bloomquist is a better 3rd baseman than Betemit. Bloomquist has 4 errors with an .852 fielding % and Betemit has 5 errors with a .934 Fielding % at 3rd. Bloomquist may be a better outfielder, but we have several outfielders that are better options than Bloomquist (Maier, Blanco, Gordon, Miller, Lough, Parraz, Dyson). Bloomquist is not good, and should not be on this team.

I have been okay with Pena getting a few more opportunities behind the plate. I will be even happier when it is Lucas May getting those opportunities, maybe as early as next week. If Omaha doesn't make the postseason, he will probably be up.

September 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kendall- worst player in baseball and not even close.

September 1, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Anonymous Eyesore said...

LMAO @ Chance for saying Betemit has been in our system for a few years.

September 1, 2010 at 3:28 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oops! Maybe it actually wasn't a good idea to play Kendall every single day! Oh well. An improvement by default. A giant hole of suck and despair in the lineup BUT, Jason, we wish you a good, although not necessarily speedy recovery from your surgery.

September 1, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Selfish move, OPSing .400 in August, knowing he was hurt and hurting the team. Very selfish. Of course, now Dayton can point to the injury as a excuse to his poor numbers when Kendall gets signed to a 3rd year.

We know how much Dayton likes his excuses......the mark of a true leader!

September 1, 2010 at 6:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Selfish move, OPSing .400 in August, knowing he was hurt and hurting the team. Very selfish.

Jason Kendall wasn't the one filling the lineup cards every day, was he?

September 1, 2010 at 6:26 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

He wasn't exactly giving Yost the truth either now was he?

September 1, 2010 at 10:29 PM

Blogger Kyle said...

This "new" training staff for the orginization has sucked almost as bad as last year. I am not sure what Hillman and Yost were thinking slotting him in EVERY SINGLE DAY, but it was not a good idea. He started the year off pretty darn hot, hitting in the .300 for the first couple of months. Had they been a little deliberate about who played maybe he wouldn't have gotten hurt and maybe he would still be hitting.

September 2, 2010 at 7:50 AM

Anonymous Major Woody said...

Hey Kyle,

I think you forgot to include some of the quotation marks in your comment. Perhaps this would be better:

Had they been a little deliberate about who played maybe he wouldn't have gotten hurt and maybe he would still be "hitting".

September 2, 2010 at 8:55 AM

Anonymous Fast Eddie said...

From MLB Trade Rumors:

"•Speaking of future Royals, one NL official guaranteed to Newsday's Ken Davidoff that Jeff Francoeur will play for Kansas City in 2011 (Twitter link). The Rangers technically control Francoeur's right's next year, but they'll likely non-tender him, so the Royals, who have appeared interested before, will likely have a shot at signing the outfielder."

Oh boy.

September 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM

Blogger Kyle said...

I know Kendall doesn't hit for any power, but he had some big hits in the beginning of the season. When they still mattered, he was over .290 for the first 2-1/2 months of the season. He only had a handful of days off. Had they set him maybe 2 times a week, he would probably still be hitting .290. I'll take that from the catcher anyday. Besides the fact that Olivo or Buck would be getting paid twice as much as Kendall.

If Franceour ends up a Royal, I will give up. I will become a Reds fan completely. What can Franceour offer that DDJ, Gordon, Lough, Maier, and Blanco cannot? Strikeouts that's it and horrible defense in RF.

September 2, 2010 at 1:07 PM

Anonymous Chance said...

@ Eyesore: My point was that the Royals seem to think that the grass is always greener in somebody else's ballpark (mostly in Atlanta) and I don't want to see them get rid of Betemit and then sign some aging decrepit has-been that they overpay and make excuses for, like Ankiel or Podsednik.

September 2, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Blogger Jacob G. said...

Rany, How can you deprive us of a breakdown on the Kendall absurdity?

September 3, 2010 at 12:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because Daytin never made a bad move

September 3, 2010 at 1:33 PM

Anonymous Walter Guest said...

It is surprising to me how many players, who have spent a few seasons in the minors, wind up with numbers in the majors almost identical to what they had in the minors. Betemit had over 3000 PAs in the minors with a line of 275/336/428 for an OPS of .764.

For what it’s worth.

September 3, 2010 at 8:55 PM

Anonymous Walter Guest said...

When I wrote that comment (above) I didn’t realize how close Betemit was to fitting that profile.

Over 3000 PA in the minors:
275/336/428 for an OPS of .764

About 1500 PA in the majors:
266/335/448 for an OPS of .783

Those are useful numbers for a third baseman or a fourth outfielder. Players sometimes, but rarely, get a big updraft in their careers. Luis Gonzales comes to mind after he changed his batting stance. But he had some big years before his uptick.

September 6, 2010 at 8:06 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

From Raney's 2001 Prospectus Article. Makes my head hurt

"The Royals did a lot of this in September, purchasing the contracts of Angel Berroa, Ken Harvey, Mike MacDougal, Brad Voyles, and Brandon Berger when each player was brought to the majors."

That is why you fail, Brandon Berger.

September 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM

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September 22, 2010 at 11:28 AM

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