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"For Want Of A Pitcher: Left Wanting."

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Blogger Mike said...

There is no doubt in my mind that failing to sign another starter was a huge mistake. The success of the rotation is going to require A LOT of "if's" to go Dayton Mooore's way.

February 17, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Blogger Jim M said...

Another great post...the most surprising thing that I have heard out of the Royals camp was the sign of regret out of DM. that is just not like him. Hopefully this is a sign that he is doing some serious self-assessment. we shall see.

Oh! and great to read about you in the NY Times!

February 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Blogger Eric said...

Bob Fescoe (610 AM morning show) said, earlier this week, that many teams seem concerned that Oswalt is wanting a Roger Clemons type of deal where he doesn't really need to show up on his off days.

Bob Fescoe also said Jackson wanted 2 years from the Royals. Maybe he wanted more money for that commitment as well.

Concerning Glass and Moore, and money. Do we really know how much input Glass has in the spending of the money? It seems to me, that Glass and Dayton set a budget, Glass should be putting the cash in an account for Dayton to spend as he sees fit. If Dayton wants to go higher than the money allocated, he can go to Glass and make his case. Any restriction of the budget below the $70 million mark of previous years would be an indication that Glass is interfering with Moore doing his job. It's possible that since Moore has come on board, Glass has been hands off, and there isn't anything Glass has done to prevent spending money.

I wonder if the Meche and Guillen deals have kind of made Moore wary of making expensive free agent acquisitions. Also, the success in recent years with signing guys like Betemit, Podsednik, Cabrera and Francouer may have made him strongly biased toward the low money investment required to pick up somebody nobody wants. At least until we reach the point where we've got somebody at every position that we've developed.

Another issue with the budget is if the money saved in one year is carried over into future years. Some times the radio guys talk as if the money saved this year will be available to go above $70 million in future years. If so, then we may be able to use some of the $40 million under that level from the last two years to secure longer term deals for some of the young stars.

An additional thought. By not bringing in another new guy this year, we maintain our flexibility, and if things break our way for the first three months, we have the opportunity to be buyers at the trade deadline if the race is close enough. If the race is over by that point, there was probably nothing one extra pitcher would have done for us.

I also want to see what Eiland can do with the current guys to see if there is any improvement after the move from McClure. Chen is a McClure success. So far, Davies and Hochevar have been McClure failures, although Hochevar's second have success could flip him to a McClure success, although after far too long of not bringing back the slider. So we'll have to see how Paulino and Duffy progress, and if we end up with every starter with an ERAs below 4.25, then our success will lie in other areas, because that should be enough to have us in most games. But if Eiland does a better job than McClure, then it could change our entire perception of all of the pitchers we have, and in the end, we just have to deal with pitch counts and figuring out how to make room for 2 prospects next off season.

February 17, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Blogger Mr Negative1 said...

Possible spring training deal with the Rays for either Wade Davis or Jeff Niemann remains a possibility.

February 17, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its so easy just sign Oswalt Right NOW! And if one of our potential aces comes-a-knockin' then trade Oswalt at the deadline. 13 million off the books light that. Ace insurance if not.

February 17, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Blogger KHAZAD said...

Good article.

The division may be there for the taking, but the Royals don't want it. They are happy with the status quo, many fans are happy to have hope in the prospects, season ticket sales are up because of the all star game, and David Glass is comfortable sitting back and making a good profit.

Glass raised the payroll initially because he had to make a splash. His reputation and the lack of public faith in the team were causing fans to turn away in droves. So he hired Dayton, gave him more freedom,let him invest in and rebuild the farm system, andallowed him to spend big money on Guillen and Meche.

From a PR perspective, which of those methods worked with the fans?
Guillen was rightly considered an albatross, and though the Meche contract was initially very good for the team, his injury has caused many fans to look at it as a bad signing-though Meche's altruism in giving up the last year of salary made it still a plus deal for the Royals. Meanwhile, fans and media everywhere are talking about the Royal's young talent, and fans conditioned by years of horrible baseball are overly excited at the idea of challenging the .500 mark in 2012.

Glass' profit in 2010 was too small for his liking, so he began to limit the payroll again, with no repercussions. He traded Dejesus and Greinke, though they had team friendly contracts. He actually received praise for this as we got a pretty good haul for Greinke, and though we got no return for DDJ, Moore was able to cheaply replace his production. He reduced the payroll to levels unseen since the 20th Century, and since we got good production from young hopefuls, nobody cared.

Moore is on record saying that the payroll limitation for 2012 was going to be between $55-60 million, or right about where they are now. This means in a prime year to make a move in the division, with an all star game coming to town, David Glass told Moore to keep it under $60 million.

Moore said in a later interview that he could spend $75-85 million with an attendance of 2.5 million, a level we will never reach without a serious playoff team. In my mind this means Mr. Glass has absolutely no intention of ever going all in for a playoff run, so our best chance is to get lucky in a down division year.

I don't think the payroll ever reaches $80 million unless the fans start leaving in droves again and it cuts into profits. Then Glass will hire a new GM and temporarily increase payroll. We will gratefully fall in line again and the cycle will start anew.

February 17, 2012 at 2:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a Tigers fan, so the rose-colored glasses might be getting in the way, but I think it would take a major injury to the Tigers for the Royals to contend this year. Sure, Verlander will be worse (but only because he could hardly be better; he'll still be in the mix for Cy Young contention), but Scherzer and Porcello have plenty of room for growth. The bats should even out (and if Brandon Inge is really the late-innings replacement for Cabrera at 3rd, they'll be considerably better just by subtraction), and the Tigers staff does strike out a bunch of guys to leaven the impact on the defense. It would take major improvement from the Royals to close half the gap between last year's editions, and I don't think the Tigers have slipped much if at all. (2013 will be interesting, though; much will ride on the fate of V-Mart.)

That said, spending ownership's money to put yourself in position to take advantage of those opportunities is always a good idea from the fan's perspective, if not the owner's.

February 17, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

I'm a bigger believer in some of the young guys. For example, Everett Teaford is predicted by both RotoChamps and Bill James to have an under 4 ERA. That's pretty sexy to me.

Paulino is expected to walk too many to be effective. 4-4.5 ERA

Duffy is expected to be extremely wild. ERA 5+

Hoch is expected to be 4.25ish; like Paulino. Less Ks and Less BBs.

Bruce Chen is 4.25ish also.

Sanchez is expected to be right at or just under 4.

So Teaford should be our number 1 guy.

I'm not against the Chen signing, but if any of the young kids deserve a rotation spot coming out of spring training. He's moving to the bullpen. Or Hoch. Or whomever is struggling. Nobody should have a guaranteed spot unless you feel pretty comfortable they are going to give you a sub 4 ERA season. And that's no one on this team.

February 17, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Blogger Danny said...

I think wanting Oswalt is a pretty huge pipe dream. That is the problem with free agents--the market is not the only thing impacting their decisions. His rejection of Cleveland and Boston is telling--and it looks the Royals never had a shot. At all.

Jackson, on the other hand, was almost certainly an option. Your reasoning and sound and compelling. Putting Duffy back in the minors and adding Jackson to a one-year deal would have been outstanding. Fangraphs had him worth about $17M last year, and we are waiting for a break-out but couldn't locate $11.5M??? Wowza.

Most of the pre-season projections have the Royals below .500 (worse than the 78 Pythag of 2011), so one pitcher may not be a big difference, anyways. They have the outfield set to regress, and expect only minimal advances from the infield (though looking at Hosmer comps like Murray and Clark, I think they underestimate him by about a game and a half). It would take a pretty fortunate year to pass Detroit in 2012. This is heavily a year of evaluation in the minors, and majors at 2B and CF.

As always, thanks for the updates, Rany. I look forward to your Spring Training tweets!

February 17, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The ONLY way not spending money on a pitcher makes sense is if he happens to lock up Hosmer in the next few weeks

February 17, 2012 at 4:22 PM

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February 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Blogger Phil LeBlanc said...

Personally, I feel Moore truly believes in his young guys. With the All-Star Game being in KC uou have to think Glass wants to be in contention come the All-Star break, and would be willing to open up his purse to make that happen. That's my opinion and in this case I think Moore is wrong.

February 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Blogger McGoldencrown said...

Oswalt will never pitch here. Why do people still write posts about that possibility? He shunned Detroit and Cleveland, there is NO WAY he pitching for the Kansas City Royals. End of story.

The same scenario most likely for Jackson. Whenever someone sees what the contract is for a player, they automatically assume they could have made the exact same deal. Like there is a pitcher vending machine and who ever puts the coins in first gets him for set price.

Edwin Jackson wasn't going to sign a one year deal in KC. It was NEVER going to happen unless it was in the form of a 3 or 4 year for at least 12 per.

Jackson signed the one year deal in the NL east for a reason which contrary to Rany's inference, is not a heavy offensive division. The mets suck offensively, the braves are below avg, the phils are avg and the marlins will be avg or below avg.

February 17, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Blogger Dave said...

I prefer to think of the Chen signing as an extension of the Rudd-Riggle promo team, guaranteeing that they will show up before the all-star game to lead the "C'mon Chen" cheer and sing "Panama" for us again. And the unwillingness to sign another pitcher is just allowing us time for our Manchurian Candidate plot to unfold where Greinke comes back at low money to us next year.

February 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Blogger THH said...

I'd have given Jackson a 3/30 deal and said thank you very much Edwin for coming to KC if he had taken it.

February 18, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Looking at the stats it seems Sanchez and Jackson are pretty much similar pitchers (minus which arm they use). They can give up walks but strikeout quite a few. I'd wonder why you want to lock up Jackson for 3 years (considering a 1 year deal with the Royals wasn't going to happen). Jackson at best is a 2 and probably more of a 3.

My pipe dream is the bank vault opens and Cole Hamels comes to KC.

February 18, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Blogger Jayboid said...

Thanks so much Rany, you make it easy to be an informed Royal fan. See you in Spring Training.

Chen = Larry Gura Excellent, no worries about breaking glass windows around those two.

Detroit fan speaking of pitching potential made me think, we are loaded with the same type young pitchers as Detroit.

Perhaps the Central Div. winner will come down to a few non star pitchers having great years, including Cleveland. A few step up performances, and I can certainly see the potential in some of ours.

For a change it's really not a cry in a beer induced dream as in the past. Yes the Royals with a bit of manufactured luck win it.

February 19, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Blogger Jack Campbell said...

Rany, one factor to take into consideration is the possibility of the Royals thinking/hoping they can extend a couple of their young players, which would have a significant effect on payroll. If Gordon gets what he wants, and if the Royals were then somehow able to convince Hosmer to sign long term (hey, stop laughing, this something the Royals could and should try to accomplish), then they payroll would look much different. You wouldn't want a three year deal for Jackson to get in the way of locking up youngsters. And we shouldn't assume the Royals could have beaten out the Nationals head-to-head in a recruiting battle for Jackson's services on a one-year deal. And we shouldn't assume the Royals knew he'd be willing to sign for just one year.

Will be expanding on these thoughts at a Royals Review fanpost coming to a blog near you.

February 19, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Blogger Travis said...

I think one other option you need to consider is that Moore is not truly convinced that the Royals can contend this year. I heard an interview with him earlier this winter where he said something along the lines that the young guys have to all play consistently and improve for the Royals to have a chance. While I think Moore believes in his players, you could read between the lines of what he was saying, essentially, I think Moore believes his young players need another year of playing every day before they are ready to truly compete. This factor along with the miss timing of the market for Chen could explain why Moore does not want to add another pitcher.

February 19, 2012 at 12:03 PM

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February 19, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Blogger Antonio. said...

How could the Royals not know he'd be willing to sign a one-year deal? I knew he'd be willing.

I'm wondering if Washington might be more of an up-and-coming team than Kansas City.

February 19, 2012 at 9:32 PM

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February 21, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Wil Meyers hits the cover off the ball this Summer like he did this past Winter, I think the Royals won't block him any more than they blocked Hosmer. If Meyers forced the hand they could trade Butler at the deadline for a decent pitcher and slide Meyers in as DH (hell, or even C. Robinson!!).

Also: If John Lamb makes a comeback this year, we will all stop sweating a little. I think he is the surer pitching prospect out of the big three.

February 21, 2012 at 1:45 PM

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